How concerning is this issue?(See Pics)

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Found a pretty solid deal today and the seller seems motivated. The only problem I've found with the property is this crack/shift. There are no cracks in the walls and all the windows, doors, floors, etc. seem to all be level and close normally. How serious is this issue and can it be repaired? The house is approx 70 yrs old. I know it's hard to judge from pictures alone but I'm just looking for some general opinions. Thanks for the help guys!

In this type of instance I would say follow your gut. Do you feel like it is an issue? Is there a basement that you can check out and see if it is wet or anything? If you don't think it is an issue, make your offer and make sure you have contingencies in your contract for inspections. At that point, I would bring in a foundation expert and have them check it out. If it ends up being an issue, get a quote from the foundation expert, and tell the seller you need to lower the price accordingly. If your gut tells you it's an issue, you can still make an offer but make sure you make an estimate as to what those repairs will cost and use that in your initial offer. Either way though, make sure you have contingencies and get it inspected by a professional.  

a couple of things stand out to me .

Bottom picture : It looks like Slab walls under the Blocks has cracks and shifted . This would cause the Block joints to seperate and shift . also at top of blocks the Sill looks rotted and worn out 

middle picture : shows more Footing damage and Block seperation . Not sure on the Black pipe sticking out Not a dryer vent Possibly at one time Vent for a wood stove ?

top picture : looks like the continuation of the side 

guessing this caused by water and frost . also guessing there is just a crawl space and no full basement underneath ? If that is the case you are going to have to find either a structural engineer or a Foundation company that jacks up slabs and walls replacing the cracked blocks . If that is the case someone will have to have access to underneath the house to verify and foundation and check the sills 

realisticlly it ain't going to get any better . Might be a $3,000.00 job or a $20,000.00 job . What is the gutter situation on the house ? Not sure what part of PA. you are in but you want to make sure any Footings / new walls are at least 4 feet into the ground .

Originally posted by @George Sass :

In this type of instance I would say follow your gut. Do you feel like it is an issue? Is there a basement that you can check out and see if it is wet or anything? If you don't think it is an issue, make your offer and make sure you have contingencies in your contract for inspections. At that point, I would bring in a foundation expert and have them check it out. If it ends up being an issue, get a quote from the foundation expert, and tell the seller you need to lower the price accordingly. If your gut tells you it's an issue, you can still make an offer but make sure you make an estimate as to what those repairs will cost and use that in your initial offer. Either way though, make sure you have contingencies and get it inspected by a professional.  

I'm relatively new to all this. It worries me slightly, but I think the seller is motivated enough for me to purchase this property at a price that is a solid deal right now and still a good deal even it were to be repaired. 

I recently found, what I thought was a killer deal on a house. I was so excited, but I had questions like you do on this house. I told the seller I wanted it inspected and had some other professionals come and look at somethings that where in question. I paid 700 bucks in information but walked about from a 10k mistake.  Funny part was I learned a lot in the process and saved some money. Just my 2 cents. I am no foundation expert but I would make the offer but letting them know that you need to have it checked out first. Better to spend the money for someone to look and give you a answer or the cost of a solution to better judge what you should do.

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Originally posted by @Bob Baldwin :

a couple of things stand out to me .

Bottom picture : It looks like Slab walls under the Blocks has cracks and shifted . This would cause the Block joints to seperate and shift . also at top of blocks the Sill looks rotted and worn out 

middle picture : shows more Footing damage and Block seperation . Not sure on the Black pipe sticking out Not a dryer vent Possibly at one time Vent for a wood stove ?

top picture : looks like the continuation of the side 

guessing this caused by water and frost . also guessing there is just a crawl space and no full basement underneath ? If that is the case you are going to have to find either a structural engineer or a Foundation company that jacks up slabs and walls replacing the cracked blocks . If that is the case someone will have to have access to underneath the house to verify and foundation and check the sills 

realisticlly it ain't going to get any better . Might be a $3,000.00 job or a $20,000.00 job . What is the gutter situation on the house ? Not sure what part of PA. you are in but you want to make sure any Footings / new walls are at least 4 feet into the ground .

 The property sits on a pretty steep hill which originally led me to believe that there were possible water issues. Owner had french drains installed since hes owned the property which seems to have cured any water issues that it's had. The basement has been converted into a 1BR apartment which will be my residence if I decide to purchase.(So yes only a crawl space behind blocks) I looked it over thoroughly and didn't see any water issues inside the building.

There's a small basement-like storage room in the back on the 1BR that according to the current tenant will get damp only during torrential downpours. Definitely something to look into. I'm baffled at how much you know from 3 simple pictures. Thank you very much for the advice! I most certainly will have a foundation company inspection contingency in my offer, if I decide to put one in. I'm looking into FHA financing for this property and I know that the Regs for FHA are strict. Hopefully this doesn't disqualify the property.

i would have a professional look at it @Joshua Meyers
how i fix it to me is decided by what i intend to do with the house 
if you sell, it will have to be fixed to pass inspections 
good luck

Probably some settling took place many years ago, pretty common. The fact that it is on a corner, might be possible to rig some way to get a heavy hydraulic jack under the corner and lift it then take out old block and install new. I have had estimates from Ram Jack to raise a concrete porch 1 inch, they wanted $6,000. I thought it was a rip off. I ended up doing it for $300. 

You mentioned you Might be living in the basement apt . ? water / Moisture on back wall can lead to more problems Flooring / Carpet problems Possible Mold . I am guessing the back wall you referenced had Not been treated with a Tar type foundation sealer ?

Also guessing that when they built the place the Grading of the Property was Not done very well. When the time comes to sell the property in all likelyhood YOU will be faced with Needed repairs for the next buyer Just hate to see you get stuck with a Lemon of a house 

Originally posted by @Bob Baldwin :

a couple of things stand out to me .

Bottom picture : It looks like Slab walls under the Blocks has cracks and shifted . This would cause the Block joints to seperate and shift . also at top of blocks the Sill looks rotted and worn out 

middle picture : shows more Footing damage and Block seperation . Not sure on the Black pipe sticking out Not a dryer vent Possibly at one time Vent for a wood stove ?

top picture : looks like the continuation of the side 

guessing this caused by water and frost . also guessing there is just a crawl space and no full basement underneath ? If that is the case you are going to have to find either a structural engineer or a Foundation company that jacks up slabs and walls replacing the cracked blocks . If that is the case someone will have to have access to underneath the house to verify and foundation and check the sills 

realisticlly it ain't going to get any better . Might be a $3,000.00 job or a $20,000.00 job . What is the gutter situation on the house ? Not sure what part of PA. you are in but you want to make sure any Footings / new walls are at least 4 feet into the ground .

 What a good analysis! 

thanks Joe . Been there Done That . Just part of knowing the business Hate to see Newbies get in a bad situation 

joe : I should have added that in my Conservative Investing Philosophy If I can't see the property WHY would I ever think to invest in something sight unseen ? Perhaps I am wrong but to me the newbies need to remember : You make your money going into the deal , However even with a Buy and Hold you absolutely have to have an exit strategy . Who is to say WHAT your buyer is going to have inspected upon resale 

Originally posted by @Bob Baldwin :

You mentioned you Might be living in the basement apt . ? water / Moisture on back wall can lead to more problems Flooring / Carpet problems Possible Mold . I am guessing the back wall you referenced had Not been treated with a Tar type foundation sealer ?

Also guessing that when they built the place the Grading of the Property was Not done very well. When the time comes to sell the property in all likelyhood YOU will be faced with Needed repairs for the next buyer Just hate to see you get stuck with a Lemon of a house 

 Talked to the seller today and he stated that the shiftage just happened recently. I think I'm going to red flag this deal until further notice. Thoughts?

Joshua : Don't just walk but Run away from this deal . Stating that the " shiftage " just started to me is BUxx SHXX RED FLAGS ~!! Lots of other deals out there if you put the time and effort into finding them . 

             Just curious but 6 months from now give the guy a call back find out if a better deal is on the table . then let us know .

Originally posted by @Bob Baldwin :

Joshua : Don't just walk but Run away from this deal . Stating that the " shiftage " just started to me is BUxx SHXX RED FLAGS ~!! Lots of other deals out there if you put the time and effort into finding them . 

             Just curious but 6 months from now give the guy a call back find out if a better deal is on the table . then let us know .

 I'm with you buddy. He's selling this property at a price that will cash flow almost $400/month including financing. There should be other investors in the area beating his door down. Thank you for saving me $60,000 and a nightmare sir

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