My First Deal - $4.4 MILLION AND SELLER FINANCING

My First Deal - $4.4 MILLION AND SELLER FINANCING

Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes

Where do I begin???

Last year I joined Bigger Pockets and started my journey as a real estate investor.  I had no experience in real estate other than my personal house.  I had a very successful career.  Then my son was born premature and he needed a lot of care.  So I decided to leave my career and pursue real estate so I could have the flexibility to care for my boy.

I consumed everything about real estate.  Podcasts, book, youtube... everything.  Thanks Bigger Pockets!  I even became a real estate YouTube vlogger myself to document my journey after I quit my job.

11 months later I closed on the biggest deal that I couldn't possibly have ever imagined doing!  A 54 unit apartment complex in North Carolina for $4.4 MILLION.  I negotiated the deal so that I only had to put down 10% and the seller agreed to owner finance 90%.  The owner was willing to take $4 MILLION in seller financing from someone he never met and someone who had zero real estate experience.  I don't think he even checked my credit.  I would like to say that I am a pretty good negotiator but I am probably just "lucky".  My experience has been the more time you put into something and hustle, the chances of you hitting that lucky deal increases.


I am in the second full month owning the property and I feel confident that I am going to hit the numbers that I modeled. I underwrote the deal at a 25% IRR which is a crazy return. The other fact is that my boy is very healthy now so everything worked out. My next goal for 2018 is to acquire 100+ units. The crazy thing is I got another deal where the seller was willing to seller finance a $10 MILLION deal. The numbers didn't work for me on this one so I am still searching.


The moral of the story is that it is totally possible to do this real estate thing in a big way.  You just have to have the right mentality and the develop the skills over time.  It's definitely a numbers game.  How much work are you willing to put in before your get first big deal?

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Accountant · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 409 posts · 362 votes
8y

WOW! That's amazing @Account Closed, just simply amazing. I'm dumbfounded and jealous. 3.75% is basically a gift. Good luck running this property, I can't wait to build up 100k (let along 400k) to put into a nice commercial deal. 

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  • Real Estate Investor · Lansdowne, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 656 votes
    8y

    Congrats. what's the current physical condition? any major work needed or light upgrades throughout? what's the percentage of vacancies?  

    Kudos,

    Mary

  • Real Estate Investor · Burlington, VT · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Account Closed  Congrats and great to hear!!  So you had $400k of your own savings to put down, to get this done?

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @Mary B.  It was in great physical condition.  Total of 7 buildings.  4 were built in 1985.  3 were built in 2010.  The only issues were that the 4 older buildings are going to need a new roof at some point during my ownership and the parking lot needed to be repaired.  The owner gave me concessions for the roof and repaired the parking lot prior to close

  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Beach County, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    Awesome story very inspiring keep grinding and keep growing!

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @Tom S.  Yes.  I had to use my own money on this one.  I originally planned on syndicating this with some outside investors.  I had most of the money raised.  Then when we started negotiating the deal, I was able to get seller financing which changed my plans.  I had to close fast and couldn't wait for syndication attorney to draw up documents and go through the formal fund raise process.  Since I had the cash, I decided to just pull the trigger.  I may let other investors into the deal after a year has passed for tax reasons.  I got a lot of upset investors so I need to find that 100 unit fast!  LOL!

  • Investor · Annandale, VA · Member since 2017 · 16 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    @Luke Chung Congratulation on the property and the health of your son! I aspire one day to get to that level.

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @Brian Garrett Much appreciated!  

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @David Huynh  That's what I said a year ago!

  • Investor · Newark, DE · Member since 2012 · 81 posts · 45 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed Amazing story. Very inspiring. How many leads/offers did you have to go through before you found this one? How are you sourcing your deals....brokers, mailers, cold calling, etc?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Pensacola, FL · Member since 2017 · 33 posts · 24 votes
    8y

    Impressive, motivational and nice work!!

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @Mike Carr Thanks! I probably looked at over a hundred leads over the 11 month period. I then put a LOI on 5 of them. I then got under contract with 3 of them. And then finally ended with 1 close. I actually documented the whole journey on my vlog on YouTube if you watch YouTube.

    I thought I was a little crazy looking at so many deals and not getting anywhere. When I saw others buying houses pretty quickly, it was kind of discouraging but I knew that I could not close 54 SFH in that period so it paid off. Multifamily definitely takes longer. Its like the tortoise and hare story!

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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    8y

    @Account Closed great success story. It goes to show what is possible if you are creative and persistent. I am sure the seller figured if you could come up with $400K and with the property to secure the loan, that the risk was low. Would you mind sharing what the terms of the loan ended up being? I am just curious how many years and what rate is customary in a deal like this. I would love to do something similar to what you did as my next step. Congratulations and thanks for sharing!

  • Investor · Northern Virginia · Member since 2017 · 159 posts · 59 votes
    8y

    Congrats! What a way to jump in!

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @Tim B. Thanks!

  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 93 votes
    8y
    Congrats on your healthy son. Glad to hear he’s ok. Congrats on the complex too. :)
  • Rental Property Investor · wyoming · Member since 2017 · 76 posts · 73 votes
    8y

    Legend!  Great way to start!

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @Joe Splitrock  Sure.  I negotiated $4MM loan with the seller.  The term was for 10 years.  Amortization of 30 years.  Interest rate of 3.75%.  

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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Joe Splitrock  Sure.  I negotiated $4MM loan with the seller.  The term was for 10 years.  Amortization of 30 years.  Interest rate of 3.75%.  I will be doing a vlog in a few weeks on my YouTube channel on how I convinced the seller to accept these terms.

     That is really good! I love how you structured this.

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    8y

    Many congrats and well done @Account Closed!

    How are you holding title? Personally? An LLC? That's a big decision so would appreciate any incite into how you chose. Thanks!

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Account Closed Congratulation on your healthy son. Glad to hear he's ok. 

    You have done a great job! Great to see that you pulled the trigger when the right deal came across. In particular, I liked how you managed to stay disciplined by underwriting so many deals. It's easy to pull the trigger but you stuck to your guns. Amazing! 

    Keep us posted. 

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @Steve Vaughan Hi Steve. Thanks! I hold title in a LLC. The LLC is a good structure because you get pass through status. Also the requirements to maintain are a little bit less onerous than a corporation. It mitigates the risk. The one advantage over a corporation is that if you are personally sued, they can go after your shares of the corporation but they cannot take your ownership in a LLC. Both entities provide protection inside the entity. Hope that helps.

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @Omar Khan  Thanks.  Really appreciate it.

  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2017 · 353 posts · 223 votes
    8y

    Nice job! I hope your analysis included reviewing it with market financing terms of a 20-25yr amort and a rate closer to 5-5.5%.  Hopefully you will have paid enough down by then where you can refi under conventional terms with enough down.

  • Accountant · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 409 posts · 362 votes
    8y

    WOW! That's amazing @Account Closed, just simply amazing. I'm dumbfounded and jealous. 3.75% is basically a gift. Good luck running this property, I can't wait to build up 100k (let along 400k) to put into a nice commercial deal. 

  • Winston Salem, NC · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 111 votes
    8y

    @James W..  I like the way you think. I did my worst case scenario stress test.  By the end of the term, I would have paid off enough principal that I would not be too worried about being able to refinance again if I held it that long.  I also assumed that the cap rate would get worse for me when I sell because of the higher interest rates in the future.  With all this factored in, it is a great return for me 25%+.

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