Investor · Southern California · Member since 2011 · 155 posts · 13 votes
I just found out that more than 80% of commercial real estate transactions have no buyer brokers. That means buyers are not represented or protected in commercial transactions!
Is there a reason for that? Is it because the buyer broker won't be paid a commission, so no one is willing to represent the buyer?
I know that in commercial real estate transactions, the listing broker is entitled to a commission of 6%, but will that be shared with a buyer broker?
In my world of commercial retail I have TONS of requests to represent buyers exclusively. Sellers gladly pay me. I ask for a certain percentage regardless of what the seller agreed to the listing for with the listing brokerage.
Commercial brokerages that focus on listings only typically have teams. If 100k commission for instance 50k goes to brokerage as an example and 50k is left to be split with the 3 agents on the team. Top senior person gets say 25k and junior agent at bottom gets 8,000.
Me as a principal commercial broker with my own firm representing buyers I get it all. So when I make 100k that junior agent would have to do about 12 deals to my 1 deal for the same income. The listing brokerages only tend to sell you on whatever they have listed exclusively whether that is a good,marginal, or crappy deal. Conversely I do not represent the seller but the buyer so I look through my database of thousands of retail property owners I have built up over 15 years in the business.
My clients are not buying mom and pop type stuff. My clients are individual multi-millionaires and some over 100 million of net worth. They are an expert in their field and they want someone equally as good when they look to invest millions of dollars in a down payment buying a property. I am a specialist so I have a specific niche. I find the having the buyers pay the buyer broker commission more of a thing in larger multifamily and not hardly at all in commercial retail. I do almost all commercial retail these days.
Some investors might ask WHY the listing brokerage would not want to double end everything? It's an easy answer. They make money on volume and reduced commissions so they want either a REIT, individual buyer with an experienced buyer broker on their side, etc. so that the transaction goes smoothly. They do not have the time to sift threw tons of properties for a buyer and answer all kinds of questions to someone that has money but is new to the space.
Those listing brokerages like working with me however because they know I will help the buyer through the process and I am experienced.
While commercial attorneys can be good to use that cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars per transaction they are not typically looking for properties and underwriting what to make offers on. They tend to get involved at the PSA stage and handle the legal stuff. Some attorneys might do this but all the ones I know do not. That is more the commercial buyer brokers realm.
@Aaron Xie duel compensation is most common in leasing.
On the the sales side it is less common especially with larger properties. Buyers are expected to pay for their own representation so in some cases they will hire an attorney to negotiate, review and draft any documents. Sometimes buyers will negotiate and then turn over to attorneys after the LOI has been signed.
No agent is entitled to any amount of compensation or commissions from a seller. That is completely negotiable and there are no set rates.
@Aaron Xie I bought 3 commercial properties in NH and represented myself in all of them so there was no "buyer brokerage" on the deal. One was a private deal with the seller (no agent involved at all). The other 2 I let the listing agents take it all and told them to bring me anything else they have before putting it on the market. I'm a real estate agent in MA and this is one of the incentives I have out to the brokers in my target area. If you bring me a great off market deal I won't ask them to split their commission. This incentive has had agents in the area sending me lots of stuff which allows me to cherry pick the best ones. I could bring my own agent in and request half the commission go to them but I'll happily give up nothing out of my pocket to get in on the action before the property hits the MLS. The last off market deal I got under contract for $320 and it appraised at $400 and I think if it hit mls it would have easily gone for $380+. So I gave up 3% commission to save up to $60k on the price and it was a very smooth transaction for all parties. Seller was pleased they didn't need to do an open house, I got a good deal, and the agent/broker was very happy with their cut.
I know I’m not the only person buying commercial that does this. At the end of the day the listing agent knows the most about the property and while you have to be careful (the represent the seller) if they’re a good ethical agent they’ll answer your questions honestly and be the best person to tour the complexes with.
Buyers typically pay their own agents in commercial, thus why you may not see as many represented, especially in low priced transactions.
and if you do have a buyer for a commercial or MF you as agent need to get it in writing that the seller will pay you.. if they wont then you need your buyer to.. this is not MLS with a BAC clearly denoted.
Commercial brokers spend years fostering relationships with owners and sourcing listings. They also have a team working each listing, all of which need to be compensated. Split the commission with another team after years of work? Negative ghost rider.
Thanks for all the replies! Maybe I am wrong, but I still think that, like in the residential world, the selling (buyer) agent is valuable in that s/he brings the buyer! And I assume buyer is more rare and hard to find in commercial than in residential, so to some extent, I think the buyer agent deserves a higher commission than the listing agent does. Whoever brings the buyer is more important to me the seller.
If I am the seller of a commercial property, I would definitely ask my listing agent to split the commission with the other agent who brings the buyer. Of course, if my listing agent brings the buyer, I am ok paying him the full commission. But again, how can I prevent my listing agent from showing my listing to only his/her clients by intention in order to get double paid?
Commercial brokers spend years fostering relationships with owners and sourcing listings. They also have a team working each listing, all of which need to be compensated. Split the commission with another team after years of work? Negative ghost rider.
Thanks, Mike. But don't you think this commission structure limits the exposure of the listing to the potential buyers? Even if I know someone who would be interesting in this property, I do not have any incentive to show him this listing.
Commercial brokers spend years fostering relationships with owners and sourcing listings. They also have a team working each listing, all of which need to be compensated. Split the commission with another team after years of work? Negative ghost rider.
Yes public has a pre conceived notion about how real estate works.. and that is generally how SFR type real estate works IE board of realtors MLS system etc.
Commercial is a completely different animal.. from my experience as you state most deals happen when a seller has a relationship with a commercial broker and that broker brings the buyer the property is never on the open market so to speak.
if that does not work then its shared in their office.. if its still not sold then they might put it on loopnet or coastar etc etc.
In my world of commercial retail I have TONS of requests to represent buyers exclusively. Sellers gladly pay me. I ask for a certain percentage regardless of what the seller agreed to the listing for with the listing brokerage.
Commercial brokerages that focus on listings only typically have teams. If 100k commission for instance 50k goes to brokerage as an example and 50k is left to be split with the 3 agents on the team. Top senior person gets say 25k and junior agent at bottom gets 8,000.
Me as a principal commercial broker with my own firm representing buyers I get it all. So when I make 100k that junior agent would have to do about 12 deals to my 1 deal for the same income. The listing brokerages only tend to sell you on whatever they have listed exclusively whether that is a good,marginal, or crappy deal. Conversely I do not represent the seller but the buyer so I look through my database of thousands of retail property owners I have built up over 15 years in the business.
My clients are not buying mom and pop type stuff. My clients are individual multi-millionaires and some over 100 million of net worth. They are an expert in their field and they want someone equally as good when they look to invest millions of dollars in a down payment buying a property. I am a specialist so I have a specific niche. I find the having the buyers pay the buyer broker commission more of a thing in larger multifamily and not hardly at all in commercial retail. I do almost all commercial retail these days.
Some investors might ask WHY the listing brokerage would not want to double end everything? It's an easy answer. They make money on volume and reduced commissions so they want either a REIT, individual buyer with an experienced buyer broker on their side, etc. so that the transaction goes smoothly. They do not have the time to sift threw tons of properties for a buyer and answer all kinds of questions to someone that has money but is new to the space.
Those listing brokerages like working with me however because they know I will help the buyer through the process and I am experienced.
While commercial attorneys can be good to use that cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars per transaction they are not typically looking for properties and underwriting what to make offers on. They tend to get involved at the PSA stage and handle the legal stuff. Some attorneys might do this but all the ones I know do not. That is more the commercial buyer brokers realm.
Commercial brokers spend years fostering relationships with owners and sourcing listings. They also have a team working each listing, all of which need to be compensated. Split the commission with another team after years of work? Negative ghost rider.
Thanks, Mike. But don't you think this commission structure limits the exposure of the listing to the potential buyers? Even if I know someone who would be interesting in this property, I do not have any incentive to show him this listing.
I don't have a dog in this fight...but exposure in the internet age is not a problem. And most every desirable apartment community, self storage facility, and MHP seems to have 25+ serious buyers for it and/or "call for offers". Commercial brokers spend years sourcing listings and they sell the property in fifteen minutes on the drive home from signing the listing agreement.
Buyers agents are not completely uncommon in certain commercial property types though. Likely need the SMEs to reply rather than me.
Thanks. I know that everything in commercial brokerage is negotiable, but I did not expect it to be so different from residential brokerage. For instance, now I think it is too risky to advertise as a commercial broker specialized in buying (instead of listing). But if I am a buyer in the commercial world, where can I find a reliable buyer broker, if I am too afraid to talk directly to the seller or the listing agent?
@Joel Owen, it must take many years of experience of you to focus on buying instead of listing in the commercial world? Would you mind sharing how you end up being specialized in buying commercial? Did you start as a residential broker, and then switch to the commercial side?
Aaron it's not really being scared as a buyer it is knowing when someone is new to the space and needs help.
If someone is a white belt in a martial arts style (new buyer) going up against blackbelts (experienced seller and listing brokers) to spar wouldn't they want a black belt by their side to help guide them and offer helpful tips so they do not get knocked out and have their clock cleaned? I know if it was me I would. The listing brokerage represents the seller.
I didn't start out doing 5,10,20 million dollar deals. I started out with 500k deals. Typically the residential investor wanting to move into mom and pop commercial.
I remember taking a picture over a decade ago of a 15,000 check and thinking it was incredible. Now I only go out to eat and celebrate if the commission is typically over 100,000 on a deal. Now I have minimums into the millions in purchase price or I pass on the business. Sub 1 million dollar deals take up too much time and the money is not there so I would lose dollars per hour. Better for me to do nothing and wait for the 2 million and up purchaser to come along.
I started in residential for about 1 year and could not stand it. Then I went to assembling land for commercial developers. The when down cycle happened nobody was developing raw land anymore so went to selling bigger apartment buildings. Found retail over a decade ago and love it. It is about 99% of my business now.
Based on what I’ve seen they don’t last the distance. I honestly believe it’s a matter of value perceived by investors. I believe the relationship gets tired fast and no one is divulging the true issue. Let’s be real who wants to pay a commission every time they buy a property? There is no set commission but how much would you be willing to pay? Soon enough the investor will start thinking of what he could have done himself. Hence perceived value gets eroded. Think! Also many buyers in commercial syndicate. Paying a broker is eating into their acquisition fee. We can go through tons of scenarios and it will just boil down to buyers will simply eventually not want to pay.
Ask them to pay a 5% commission because the $4MM property is 50% due to partnership dispute all parties just want out and 10% needed for repairs. Hmmm!
My ideal client is high net worth to ultra high net worth investors that are individuals (no syndicates).
I like dealing with parties that on their own have the ability to purchase without all of these other layers falling perfectly into place.
Not saying I occasionally do not work with a syndicate but they are experienced and have a track record. New ones take up too much time and odds of closing are low.
Its all about the $$$$$$!! I feel people would get SOOO many more offers accepted if they fully understood how agents/brokers make a living.
Fair or not fair, safe or not safe, legal or not legal- many brokers are going to ignore offers where they will need to give up half of their commission vs an offer where they get full commission.
Sean not in my world. The good listing brokers present and converse with the seller about the best offers not the ones that give the brokers the most money.
That can be very short term thinking and for sure there are slime brokers, buyers, and sellers in the industry and they all deserve each other. I keep a list over the years of brokerages that have integrity and fair dealings. Those are the ones I want to do business with again and again.
I can make seven figures a year and not have to deal with the slimes of the industry.