New investor looking into a seller financed duplex.

New investor looking into a seller financed duplex.

Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes

Hello everyone. I'm brand new to biggerpockets and I am still familiarizing myself with the site. I am in the Orlando, FL area and looking to utilize seller financing to acquire my first duplex. Any advice is welcomed. 

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Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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Sure @Troy H. Land Contracts or contracts for deed do not place the property in your name until they fully paid off.  They are a good deal for the seller only. You could be into it 10 years when the owner gets sued for a car accident their son was involved in.  A lien will attach to 'your' property because of the legal owner's financial woes.  You have all the costs of ownership, but no benefits.  May as well just have an option to buy it.  

Structure it as a note and deed of trust / mortgage or Real Estate Contract.  Ownership rights from day one. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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    Build rapport with the seller before asking them to carry for you.  Be  prepared to put down 10%+ at higher than market rates.  Never do a land contract.  Good luck!

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    Title Agent Investor Friendly · Maitland, FL · Member since 2014 · 139 posts · 59 votes
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    @Troy H.

     Hey Troy I am with an investor friendly title company here in Orlando and close on seller financing deals all the time. If you ever need help or have any questions please feel free to call or email me anytime. I love building relationships and would love to be apart of your team.

    Thanks,

  • Professional · Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Troy Hamlett

    Welcome to the BP community. You will find alot of good information here. Make sure to view the BP blogs under "Learn."

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

    Build rapport with the seller before asking them to carry for you.  Be  prepared to put down 10%+ at higher than market rates.  Never do a land contract.  Good luck!

     Thanks for the tip Steve. Can you tell me a little more about why land contracts are a bad idea?

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    Originally posted by @Ryan Kopczyk:

    @Troy H.

     Hey Troy I am with an investor friendly title company here in Orlando and close on seller financing deals all the time. If you ever need help or have any questions please feel free to call or email me anytime. I love building relationships and would love to be apart of your team.

    Thanks,

     Ryan thanks. I am looking to build a team of like-minded individuals. I am glad you responded because I did have a question about protecting myself from an owner who would take my payments, but not actually apply the funds to the exiting mortgage. 

    Am I only truly protected if the property is free and clear? That way the title is held along with my earnest money? Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks again.

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    Originally posted by @Mark Nolan:

    @Troy Hamlett

    Welcome to the BP community. You will find alot of good information here. Make sure to view the BP blogs under "Learn."

     Mark thanks for the welcome. I have begun reading through the material in the BP blogs. They are packed with quality information.

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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    Sure @Troy H. Land Contracts or contracts for deed do not place the property in your name until they fully paid off.  They are a good deal for the seller only. You could be into it 10 years when the owner gets sued for a car accident their son was involved in.  A lien will attach to 'your' property because of the legal owner's financial woes.  You have all the costs of ownership, but no benefits.  May as well just have an option to buy it.  

    Structure it as a note and deed of trust / mortgage or Real Estate Contract.  Ownership rights from day one. 

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @Troy H.

    use www.notecollection.com

    Send payments from buyer to note collection to lender

  • Ryan KopczykPro Member
    Title Agent Investor Friendly · Maitland, FL · Member since 2014 · 139 posts · 59 votes
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    @Troy H.

    Depends on what you are trying to do. If you are doing owner financing i assume you the seller would be selling you the property but holding a mortgage as well. In those cases we would clear title by requesting a payoff of the existing mortgage and paying that off so title is clear. Then there will be a new mortgage recorded with you as borrower and the seller as the lender. Or are you assuming the existing mortgage? In most cases I have seen most investors having the seller add them as an authorized person on the loan so that they can make payments directly. There are many ways to do it so you would have to speak with another investors that has done it before to get tips. From a title side of things we would close and insure the property as normal with an exception to that existing mortgage. I hope that explains what you are asking. If not maybe a phone call maybe better. If so give me a call or shoot me an email.


    Thanks,

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

    Sure @Troy H. Land Contracts or contracts for deed do not place the property in your name until they fully paid off.  They are a good deal for the seller only. You could be into it 10 years when the owner gets sued for a car accident their son was involved in.  A lien will attach to 'your' property because of the legal owner's financial woes.  You have all the costs of ownership, but no benefits.  May as well just have an option to buy it.  

    Structure it as a note and deed of trust / mortgage or Real Estate Contract.  Ownership rights from day one. 

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    Wow thanks Steve. Definitely, something I will pay attention to.

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    Originally posted by @Brian Gibbons:

    @Troy H.

    use www.notecollection.com

    Send payments from buyer to note collection to lender

     Thanks Brian. I have to do a little research, but the services the provide seem to be what I need.

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    @Ryan Kopczyk

    Thanks. I certainly will give you a call when I get closer to solidifying a deal.

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

    Sure @Troy H. Land Contracts or contracts for deed do not place the property in your name until they fully paid off.  They are a good deal for the seller only. You could be into it 10 years when the owner gets sued for a car accident their son was involved in.  A lien will attach to 'your' property because of the legal owner's financial woes.  You have all the costs of ownership, but no benefits.  May as well just have an option to buy it.  

    Structure it as a note and deed of trust / mortgage or Real Estate Contract.  Ownership rights from day one. 

     Steve you should mentor Washing State Investors.  

    Or get a Brokers Lic.  

    Or get a RE Lawyers JD degree. :)

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    I agree.

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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    Thanks for the compliments @Brian Gibbonsand @Troy H..  Will take into consideration if I feel moved to go back to work again.  

    Other points of view will come out, I'm sure.  Lots of Land Contract folks in the midwest, and maybe all over the place. I just feel sorry for the 'buyers' left holding the bag because they didn't do property title searches in the beginning and didn't realize in the end they didn't own anything after all.  Cheers!   

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Steve for sure land contracts might be a problem as far as getting equitable but if you want to be a homeowner fast and you need time I think the land contract in some states is a great tool. 

    As long as you can make the payments religiously.

    And record the land contract against the title

    And use a loan servicing company like note collection.com

    And use a property trust in case the seller gets sued

    And get the sale and purchase agreement done at the same time and open up an escrow which starts the chain of events as far as intention to sell

    If you're buying land contract you may want to find a mortgage company that will look at the land contract after 12 months as a refinance instead of a new origination

    I have to investigate Washington state but I think buying on land contract and selling on lease to own might be a great strategy for many people

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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    @Brian Gibbons Wow- there is a lot to do to protect yourself as a buyer of a land contract.  If everybody did that, they'd be so much better off!   Gotta help you get the word out.

    Here in WA, we use what's called a Real Estate Contract.  Generic name, I know.  It's essentially a contract for deed, yet puts the real estate in the buyer's name right off.  A Warranty Fulfillment Deed is executed at the purchase, held and given at time of payoff, as full conveyance/satisfaction.  It offers more power of reclaim rights to the seller in case of default.  A contract forfeiture happens vs a full foreclosure necessary with a note and deed of trust.  Buy with a Note and Deed of Trust, sell on a Real Estate Contract.

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    I follow the general direction of the conversation, but the details are excaping me. Lol

  • Investor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2012 · 822 posts · 303 votes
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    @Troy H.

     I myself have been trying to do a seller finance deal in Orlando on multi family and it has been very difficult.  Good luck! 

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    Originally posted by @Justin Stamper:

    @Troy H.

     I myself have been trying to do a seller finance deal in Orlando on multi family and it has been very difficult.  Good luck! 

     Hello Justin. What have you found to be the biggest roadblock?

  • Investor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2012 · 822 posts · 303 votes
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    market is too hot, nobody finds the need to owner finance when they can list/sell/cash out in a week

  • Greensboro, NC · Member since 2015 · 129 posts · 30 votes
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    Originally posted by @Justin Stamper:

    market is too hot, nobody finds the need to owner finance when they can list/sell/cash out in a week

     I see.  I have my work cut out for me then.

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