Trying again in the correct forum...24 Unit Stalled

Trying again in the correct forum...24 Unit Stalled

Rental Property Investor · Grand Junction, CO · Member since 2019 · 57 posts · 34 votes

Hi All,

I am working on my third property and I bit off a big chunk to chew on. The owner is willing to take on a significant portion of the debt with a second position. I am having trouble finding a source of financing that will allow the second position. I have attached the worksheet for your viewing pleasure. I have read " Low or No money down" twice and seem to have run out of creativity. The sale price is 1.4M and the owner is willing to take on a second for .4M. I would be financing the 1.0 for a no money down situation. Am I smoking something here thinking I could get into a 24 unit deal for little or no money down? I ran the numbers with a 1.3 purchase price.

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Thomas Hundtoft, Property Manager

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  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    7y

    @Thomas Hundtoft unfortunately your link did not work. Is the property in CO?

  • Developer · Charlottesville, VA · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Thomas Hundtoft you need to talk to several local commercial banks as they are all different and offer different types of options rates and terms. If they do not like the second mortgage then convert the seller to equity instead of a lein holder.

  • Developer · Beaufort, NC · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 67 votes
    7y

    @Thomas Hundtoft

    Will they stay on as a equity partner? Work out a buy out agreement with them in your operating agreement. If they hold equity in the deal they may not feel it necessary to hold the second position.

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Thomas Hundtoft:

    Hi All,

    I am working on my third property and I bit off a big chunk to chew on. The owner is willing to take on a significant portion of the debt with a second position. I am having trouble finding a source of financing that will allow the second position. I have attached the worksheet for your viewing pleasure. I have read " Low or No money down" twice and seem to have run out of creativity. The sale price is 1.4M and the owner is willing to take on a second for .4M. I would be financing the 1.0 for a no money down situation. Am I smoking something here thinking I could get into a 24 unit deal for little or no money down? I ran the numbers with a 1.3 purchase price.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

    Thomas Hundtoft, Property Manager

    There are lenders who will allow a seller 2nd, but still require the guarantor to have at least 20% of his/her own funds.  Having said that, they don't require seasoning of the funds so if you were able to get the money and then put that money in a bank account and get a bank letter saying you have funds to close, you would be able to close.  

    Stephanie

    PS Don't expect Fannie Mae rates.:)

  • Rental Property Investor · Grand Junction, CO · Member since 2019 · 57 posts · 34 votes
    7y
  • Rental Property Investor · Grand Junction, CO · Member since 2019 · 57 posts · 34 votes
    7y

    All, thanks for the good advice.  I will see how it works out.  Appreciate the help.

  • Specialist · Member since 2018 · 33 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    Hi Thomas,

    Finding a traditional commercial lender that will give you a loan with 0% down will be extremely difficult. Even a hard money lenders. 

    if the seller is willing to put on a second lien we could bring the first lien. Max leverage on a first lien would be 85% of the cost (normally 80% though). If the seller would be able to put a lien that is subordinate to the first then that could work and would help get that 15% / 20% needed.


    I'm a commercial mortgage broker and it's our job to figure out creative ways to find financing. PM me if you want to chat further! 


    Cassandra

  • Rental Property Investor · Grand Junction, CO · Member since 2019 · 57 posts · 34 votes
    7y

    @James Johner How would it work with keeping the seller on as an equity partner?  Would I be buying into their business with a loan at that point?  I'm not sure how the structure would work.  

  • Developer · Beaufort, NC · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 67 votes
    7y

    @Thomas Hundtoft

    It all depends. Essentially you would restructure ownership into a multi owner entity of your choosing and then “buy out” the equity partner on a previously agreed upon basis.

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