Challenging Commercial Multifamily Appraisal

Challenging Commercial Multifamily Appraisal

Kansas City, MO · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 321 votes

Hi Everyone, I did attempt to search for this within the "MF and Apartment Investing" forum specifically, but that function either doesn't exist or I'm too dumb to figure it out :) . I got a lot of results in a general search about SFH, but don't think that will apply directly. So I apologize in advance if this was discussed recently.

My partner and I have a couple complexes (16 unit and a 32 unit) that we are looking to do a cash-out refinance. The appraisals came back where they used a CAP rate of 7.5% to value the property. We felt that was a high CAP rate in the current climate. I reached out to a person I know who works as in investment sales at a local broker and asked his opinion on that rate. He said that CAP rate is basically unheard of right now.

My plan, as of now, is to pay him to provide "comps" of similar properties in the area showing that current sales CAP rates are lower these days and cross my fingers and hope the banker and appraiser sees it my way. I also get the feeling that it may not work.

Any advice on the best way for me to challenge this appraisal?

Thanks!

Dustin
 

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Darryl MatthewsPro Member
Real Estate Agent · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2016 · 143 posts · 49 votes
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@Dustin Beam I have run into this multiple times. Obviously comps always help. The most successful I've been is hiring an outside appraiser. Yes there is an extra cost but I've been able to compare and use the outside appraisers comps to change the opinion. 

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  • Darryl MatthewsPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2016 · 143 posts · 49 votes
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    @Dustin Beam I have run into this multiple times. Obviously comps always help. The most successful I've been is hiring an outside appraiser. Yes there is an extra cost but I've been able to compare and use the outside appraisers comps to change the opinion. 

  • Kansas City, MO · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 321 votes
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    Originally posted by @Darryl Matthews:

    @Dustin Beam I have run into this multiple times. Obviously comps always help. The most successful I've been is hiring an outside appraiser. Yes there is an extra cost but I've been able to compare and use the outside appraisers comps to change the opinion. 

    Thank you for the advice, we will consider that if needed. Of course I'd love to avoid that, but agree it would be worth it if necessary. 

    We really just need him to reevaluate the CAP rate. The appraiser provided a 10 year table showing cap rate changes on A-D classes. He only shows a compression of 0.25-0.5 percent from 2012 to today. That is crazy.

  • Member since 2021 · 24 posts · 3 votes
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    Quote from @Darryl Matthews:

    @Dustin Beam I have run into this multiple times. Obviously comps always help. The most successful I've been is hiring an outside appraiser. Yes there is an extra cost but I've been able to compare and use the outside appraisers comps to change the opinion. 


     Hi Darryl - when you say 'outside appraiser' do you mean an appraiser from out of town / not local? 

    Thanks

  • Member since 2021 · 24 posts · 3 votes
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    Quote from @Dustin Beam:
    Originally posted by @Darryl Matthews:

    @Dustin Beam I have run into this multiple times. Obviously comps always help. The most successful I've been is hiring an outside appraiser. Yes there is an extra cost but I've been able to compare and use the outside appraisers comps to change the opinion. 

    Thank you for the advice, we will consider that if needed. Of course I'd love to avoid that, but agree it would be worth it if necessary. 

    We really just need him to reevaluate the CAP rate. The appraiser provided a 10 year table showing cap rate changes on A-D classes. He only shows a compression of 0.25-0.5 percent from 2012 to today. That is crazy.


     Hi Dustin - curious to say how did it end up? I'm running into the same issue so wanted to see how did it work out at the end. I feel like you can always sell it, but at the end of the day you would want to own real estate instead of just flip real estate right?

  • Darryl MatthewsPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2016 · 143 posts · 49 votes
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    @Vince Liu I meant your own appraiser. I did not mean out of town more so a third party. Does that make sense? 

  • Kansas City, MO · Member since 2015 · 609 posts · 321 votes
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    Quote from @Vince Liu:
    Quote from @Dustin Beam:
    Originally posted by @Darryl Matthews:

    @Dustin Beam I have run into this multiple times. Obviously comps always help. The most successful I've been is hiring an outside appraiser. Yes there is an extra cost but I've been able to compare and use the outside appraisers comps to change the opinion. 

    Thank you for the advice, we will consider that if needed. Of course I'd love to avoid that, but agree it would be worth it if necessary. 

    We really just need him to reevaluate the CAP rate. The appraiser provided a 10 year table showing cap rate changes on A-D classes. He only shows a compression of 0.25-0.5 percent from 2012 to today. That is crazy.


     Hi Dustin - curious to say how did it end up? I'm running into the same issue so wanted to see how did it work out at the end. I feel like you can always sell it, but at the end of the day you would want to own real estate instead of just flip real estate right?


    We ended up just going to a different bank. 

    I wouldn't normally do this, but I think it's worth letting people know...but the original bank was Bank of the West with Joe Lally as our loan officer. We ended up just being willing to go with the lower appraised value and accepting the LTV of that value. But after paying for expensive appraisals, they came back and said they did not like our level of cash reserves and denied the loan. This was after they received ALL of our financials, so our cash reserves was well known. Furthermore, I asked Joe point blank 3-4 times that if our reserves were not enough, how much would we need to get approved. He hemmed and hawed every time. Basically is was a BS answer. I will never consider him or Bank of the West for future business. Sorry for the rant, but feel like it needs to be said!

  • Member since 2021 · 24 posts · 3 votes
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    Quote from @Darryl Matthews:

    @Vince Liu I meant your own appraiser. I did not mean out of town more so a third party. Does that make sense? 


     Hi Darryl, yes it does. Thanks for the clarification. Do you usually hire someone to appraise the property before you start the refinance process? 

  • Member since 2021 · 24 posts · 3 votes
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    Quote from @Dustin Beam:
    Quote from @Vince Liu:
    Quote from @Dustin Beam:
    Originally posted by @Darryl Matthews:

    @Dustin Beam I have run into this multiple times. Obviously comps always help. The most successful I've been is hiring an outside appraiser. Yes there is an extra cost but I've been able to compare and use the outside appraisers comps to change the opinion. 

    Thank you for the advice, we will consider that if needed. Of course I'd love to avoid that, but agree it would be worth it if necessary. 

    We really just need him to reevaluate the CAP rate. The appraiser provided a 10 year table showing cap rate changes on A-D classes. He only shows a compression of 0.25-0.5 percent from 2012 to today. That is crazy.


     Hi Dustin - curious to say how did it end up? I'm running into the same issue so wanted to see how did it work out at the end. I feel like you can always sell it, but at the end of the day you would want to own real estate instead of just flip real estate right?


    We ended up just going to a different bank. 

    I wouldn't normally do this, but I think it's worth letting people know...but the original bank was Bank of the West with Joe Lally as our loan officer. We ended up just being willing to go with the lower appraised value and accepting the LTV of that value. But after paying for expensive appraisals, they came back and said they did not like our level of cash reserves and denied the loan. This was after they received ALL of our financials, so our cash reserves was well known. Furthermore, I asked Joe point blank 3-4 times that if our reserves were not enough, how much would we need to get approved. He hemmed and hawed every time. Basically is was a BS answer. I will never consider him or Bank of the West for future business. Sorry for the rant, but feel like it needs to be said!


    That's not good. It's very unprofessional to let that happen. Thanks for letting everyone know! Did you guys end up challenging the appraiser's CAP rate and was it successful?

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