Important decision: Rental real estate vs stocks

Important decision: Rental real estate vs stocks

Member since 2016 · 14 posts · 6 votes

My wife and I have three houses that we rent out. This journey started about 10 years ago. We have 15-year mortgages on these. The houses are worth about $800K (TX). We are very happy with how these houses appreciated; we put very little money down and were rewarded handsomely. Of course, this was no bed of roses: we put a lot of work into these - roof leaks, flooded floors, painting, clogged toilets, annoying tenants - you name it.

Today, we are contemplating selling one house and putting the profits into SP500. What makes us contemplate this is some back testing. For example:
- The first house was purchased in 2013 for $145K. That house is now worth $280K.
- If I was to invest $145K in SP500 in 2013, I would have about $500K

I know that the past is not the prologue, but I also know that historically housing trails the SP500. That said, in 2013, we were fresh out of grad school and did not have $145K to invest in the market. So, buying a house with 5% down was the only option. Today, we could sell one house or more and invest a larger sum for the long haul.

We have tenants moving out in the spring and we are considering selling. The house in question happens to be a house we lived in recently and we could sell it and not pay taxes on the sale. Do you think we should pull the trigger and put the money into the market? Thank you for your advice.

Relevant details: 

- Household income about $250K, which means that we cannot deduct rental losses

- All houses have 15-year mortgages , which means that they do not cash flow well. We are either in the red or breaking even depending on luck in a given your. Tenants are paying off our mortgage. 

- We could also sell, invest the money, and buy another rental (re-leverage)

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Investor · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2017 · 613 posts · 523 votes
3y

I'm not a stock guy, so can't offer much insight there, but I don't you see you taking leverage into account.

You mentioned you put 5% down, since you couldn't afford to pay $145k cash. So, using your #'s provided and not accounting for costs, cashflow, etc, here's how it would've looked:

Stocks
$145k invested to get $500k = 245% gain

Your House
$7,250 invested to get $135k in equity = 1,762% gain

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Now, if you had $145k and split it into 20% or 25% down payments, this is what it would've looked like:

20% down
$29k down, 5 houses, $135k equity each house = $675k gain, 366% gain

25% down
$36,250 down, 4 houses, $135k equity each house = $540k gain, 272% gain

and of course you have costs, maintenance, etc., but you also have depreciation, equity paydown by tenants, tax benefits (1031 deferral), and you own a bundle of commodities as an inflation hedge, cashflow, etc, etc. 

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  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    Here we go:

    A. If you want to stay in the same REI, then treat it like a Buyers Market. You don't know the other persons situation. Run the numbers, even at higher percentage rates. Start making offers that fit your financial targets. Keep making them, even if they seem ridiculous versus what the person is asking. Work backwards. Start with units that have been on the market the longest. Look for Ugly properties. Not so much in fixing up, but just ugly. Go for larger lots and do ADU's out in the county (no zoning).

    B.  Don't trust me.  Anything I say you should be able to validate.

    C.  Personally if its just you two, I would sale the house you have two years primary in, keep your current house and rent it, move into one of the other houses for 2 years sale it, then do the same with the last rental, then move back into your house.  Make sure it is worth it to you to save the Capital Gains 20%.

    D.  You're in Texas.  The greatest state in the US for property tax sales.  Learn Property tax sales.  The three stages.  Only do land only deals.  No houses.  Develop a target to triple your money in 3 years.  1 year is just to hold so you only pay Capital Gains and not Ordinary income.

    E.  Target all properties in the County and not city, that are greater than 2 acres, preferably a lot more.  Do subdivisions.  Can you walk a piece of property and call a Surveyor?  Maybe an excavator to install road entrances and clear land?  Can you run a chainsaw and rent a skidsteer to clean up the little stuff or call someone?  You want to sell for 3 times or higher your input costs.

    F.  Target all properties in the County, that have High Tension electrical wires running over them (you can't build permanent structures, thus land is worth less).  Do RV/Boat storage.  Hire a bulldozer and have entrances put in, property cleared, and surfaces put in.  We do Self storage, but I'm guiding you to low risk high reward, low cash input.  You will sell this based on cash flow and cap rate, versus land value and comparables.

    G.  You have safe money based on your retirement and stock investments, so you can do riskier investments.  You have Job security.  You are 40's, plan to retire as soon as possible from your government jobs and just do real estate if you choose.

    H.  Learn about Interstate 27.  Do the above, but have it also push your values upward.

    I.  Once you have done D above, come back and discuss.  Bring examples of each of the three stages with you.

  • Member since 2016 · 14 posts · 6 votes
    3y

    Thank you so much. I will definitely learn more about property tax sales. 

    Also, about point C, are you saying the tax code allows me to move into rentals for 2 years and avoid taxes? Are you saying I can do it over and over? 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    2 years primary residence in a 4 year period.  

    So property 1 live in two years, property 2 live in the next two years, property 3 live in two years.  Property 1 must be sold before the end of 5 years.  Talk with your tax accountant.    This will save you capital gains of 20%.  

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    You can save the 20% or pay the tax and make 100% on the 80% cash position in 3 years. 

    Key is run the numbers. Don’t look at anything by itself. 

  • Investor · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2022 · 158 posts · 118 votes
    3y
    Quote from @V.G Jason:

    This is completely up to you and your tolerance of risk, work, profile diversity, and strategy. And it seems you did the opposite of what I did. I went S&P/equities first, now looking at RE. I put a large sum of my money in equities in 2009-2011 then again in 17-19. I wanted a liquid base of net worth before going into anything illiquid(like RE). 

    If I was you, I would've put all three on the market when things were running. Not to catch the run, but just to sell into the rally. But sell only one of them. If prices went up after you sold, cool, it means the other 2 you have are worth more. And you would then re-finance the other 2 because rates were low(er) than your current mortgage note. Then, I would've taken most of the funds from the house sale + cash out re finance and put into equities over 24-36 months. As you dollar cost average, you could take a U-Turn an invest in RE market again as you have that cash on the sidelines and are just buying monthly. But I'd still put a decent amount in equities for sure.

    Now, you're selling at what most people would say is going to be the most difficult time to sell. Rates increasing, housing demand going down. Texas is resilient, but I doubt it'll not face any of it. You'd also be buying into equities at a time most are saying is going to be the hardest fall.

    The question is what do you want to do from a management standpoint-- take tenant risk or completely passive risk. What do you want to do from a liquidity standpoint--gain more liquidity or keep as is. What do you want believe will yield more, the last 10 years have been very favorable to both, there's no saying which will go higher but right now your allocation is 100% real estate.

    I think you're missing some numbers in your calculations. First, you did not invest $145k in your house. According to you, you interested $7k. And turned it into $150k. Could the stock market have done that?
    Additionally, you're not factoring in the tax benefits of rental real estate. Or principal pay down.
    Lastly, I would argue that owning real estate is superior to stocks bc when you own real estate you have control over your investment. You design the kitchen, you pick the tenants, etc. How much control do you have over the companies in the S&P 500.
  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joshuam R.:

    @Marek Kucharski

    75% RE

    15% Stocks

    10% fun and shenanigans 

    And 5% in remedial math classes😆
  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Marek Kucharski:

    Thank you so much. I will definitely learn more about property tax sales. 

    Also, about point C, are you saying the tax code allows me to move into rentals for 2 years and avoid taxes? Are you saying I can do it over and over? 


     Oooh, I though everyone knew about that. You could also live in property A for 2 years, then move to property B, rent property A for 1 year, and sell with PAL :) and do it in loop for forever.

  • Investor · Millburn, NJ · Member since 2018 · 141 posts · 100 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Marek Kucharski:

    My wife and I have three houses that we rent out. This journey started about 10 years ago. We have 15-year mortgages on these. The houses are worth about $800K (TX). We are very happy with how these houses appreciated; we put very little money down and were rewarded handsomely. Of course, this was no bed of roses: we put a lot of work into these - roof leaks, flooded floors, painting, clogged toilets, annoying tenants - you name it.

    Today, we are contemplating selling one house and putting the profits into SP500. What makes us contemplate this is some back testing. For example:
    - The first house was purchased in 2013 for $145K. That house is now worth $280K.
    - If I was to invest $145K in SP500 in 2013, I would have about $500K

    I know that the past is not the prologue, but I also know that historically housing trails the SP500. That said, in 2013, we were fresh out of grad school and did not have $145K to invest in the market. So, buying a house with 5% down was the only option. Today, we could sell one house or more and invest a larger sum for the long haul.

    We have tenants moving out in the spring and we are considering selling. The house in question happens to be a house we lived in recently and we could sell it and not pay taxes on the sale. Do you think we should pull the trigger and put the money into the market? Thank you for your advice.

    Relevant details: 

    - Household income about $250K, which means that we cannot deduct rental losses

    - All houses have 15-year mortgages , which means that they do not cash flow well. We are either in the red or breaking even depending on luck in a given your. Tenants are paying off our mortgage. 

    - We could also sell, invest the money, and buy another rental (re-leverage)

    You're initial assumptions are way off (math), and just gets worse from there.

    Assumption #1 = "If I was to invest $145K in SP500 in 2013, I would have about $500K"
    Fact #1 = If you invested $145k in RE in 2013, it would be worth $725k in 2013.

    Assumption #2 - "All houses have 15-year mortgages , which means that they do not cash flow well"
    Fact #2 - The poor cash flow was more likely due to the 15 years mortgage than anything else.  Why would you do a 15 year mortgage when you could have gone with a 30 year mortgage, with a lower monthly payment?  You said yourself, "...Tenants are paying off our mortgage".





     yes, the first question I have reading your post is why would you do 15 year mortgage and not focus on cash flow? Some "expert" even advocates "refi till you die", the strategy is to have the smallest % of money down and still make it cash flow. 

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
    Quote from @Joshuam R.:

    @Marek Kucharski

    75% RE

    15% Stocks

    10% fun and shenanigans 

    And 5% in remedial math classes😆
    I shouldn't laugh,...but....
  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joanne Tsai:

     yes, the first question I have reading your post is why would you do 15 year mortgage and not focus on cash flow? Some "expert" even advocates "refi till you die", the strategy is to have the smallest % of money down and still make it cash flow. 


     15Y mortgage is interesting when the location of that particular property appreciates a lot and you build equity much faster than the 30YFRM guys.

    15YFRM is a very interesting tool when money is on expansion mode (2010-2020) era. 

    For example in CA or HI, it's better to use 15YFRM if you can because it's appreciating market and not cash-flow market.

    if you just want cash flow just buy rental somewhere in middle of Ohio from Reafco guys or in Alabamaville.

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y

    Except equity gained from appreciation is free, you are paying for the equity gained when you go with a 15 yr vs a 30 yr mortgage from the loss of Cash Flow.  If you stick with the 30 year, the tenant is paying for it...and that too is free.

    Besides, the supposed savings from the reduction in total interest doesn't come into play until year 16....but it really doesn't.  In order to actually save money you have to recover all the lost CF from the 15 year mortgage...which in most cases doesn't happen for at least another 5-7 years.  So, the actual positive results you won't see until year 20 or 27.

    Now, what if you refi before that?  Then you just lost any hope of recovering your losses.

    15 year mortgages work better on your own home since the source of funds for all the payments is YOU. That means these are all costs to you, so they are savings (as long as you don't refi). Not so on an investment home. The source of funds to pay for everything is the tenant from the rent. The only cost to the REI is the cash that comes out of their pocket...that's it. This could be restricted to only the DP. If you increase the mortgage pmt (15 yr mortgage) and thus reducing the CF (you money), then you just increased you cost.

    The lower the DP means the lower cost to the REI. The longer the term means higher CF (income to the REI), and the tenant is the one paying it. Let them,...it's their job.

  • Crystal SmithPro Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Marek Kucharski:

    My wife and I have three houses that we rent out. This journey started about 10 years ago. We have 15-year mortgages on these. The houses are worth about $800K (TX). We are very happy with how these houses appreciated; we put very little money down and were rewarded handsomely. Of course, this was no bed of roses: we put a lot of work into these - roof leaks, flooded floors, painting, clogged toilets, annoying tenants - you name it.

    Today, we are contemplating selling one house and putting the profits into SP500. What makes us contemplate this is some back testing. For example:
    - The first house was purchased in 2013 for $145K. That house is now worth $280K.
    - If I was to invest $145K in SP500 in 2013, I would have about $500K

    I know that the past is not the prologue, but I also know that historically housing trails the SP500. That said, in 2013, we were fresh out of grad school and did not have $145K to invest in the market. So, buying a house with 5% down was the only option. Today, we could sell one house or more and invest a larger sum for the long haul.

    We have tenants moving out in the spring and we are considering selling. The house in question happens to be a house we lived in recently and we could sell it and not pay taxes on the sale. Do you think we should pull the trigger and put the money into the market? Thank you for your advice.

    Relevant details: 

    - Household income about $250K, which means that we cannot deduct rental losses

    - All houses have 15-year mortgages , which means that they do not cash flow well. We are either in the red or breaking even depending on luck in a given your. Tenants are paying off our mortgage. 

    - We could also sell, invest the money, and buy another rental (re-leverage)


    This is a great question.  So you're right at a macro level about housing trailing the S&P from an appreciation standpoint.  I emphasize macro level because our strategy and experience has been different than yours. We started out purchasing turnkey single families that did not have much equity and the cash flow was relatively low.  We switched out strategy and started purchasing distressed single families to flip (Didn't like holding single families) and distressed multi families to renovate, refinance and hold.  The forced appreciation and monthly cash flow usually exceeded the SP500.


    With that said we always believed in a balanced portfolio so we've always remained in the Stock Market purchasing grown stocks.

    So in my opinion, you should put all the money in the market and look for real estate opportunities where you either force appreciation and/or have a monthly cash flow with an ROI that exceeds the S&P. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. When you find the opportunity pull what you need out of the market to pursue it.

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    Never put your funds into the stock market if you plan to pull the funds to invest in REI.

    Stocks are a long term play.   Where as funding needs for new REI investments are short term.     
    You can put them into shortterm CD’s but never stock or mutual funds. 

  • Developer · Panama City Beach, FL · Member since 2013 · 130 posts · 88 votes
    3y

    Are you sure moving into a rental for 2 years equates zero capital gains? I believe capital gains would be figured as a ratio of the time it was your personal residence/ time it was a rental, and if it's not as nice a place to live as you are accustomed to, is it really worth suffering 2 years being in a 'rental'. Plus you still have to pay taxes on your depreciation recapture, that doesn't get forgiven. 

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    @Ryan M.

    Looks like you build spec homes. You’re the perfect candidate.  Please call your tax preparer tomorrow and ask about the two consecutive years in a five year period.  You can actually live in 3 homes during that 5 year period. Compare the tax percentage you currently pay versus capital gains percentage.  

  • Long Beach, CA · Member since 2020 · 71 posts · 46 votes
    3y

    Hey Marek, 

    From the other posts that you added to the chain, it sounds like you have your future locked up from an equity perspective. You have a high family income, you're maxing out your 401k, and you are going to get a pretty substantial pension. 

    From that perspective, it sounds like you are going to be just fine, so if you don't want the hassle of owning property by all means just park it in the stock market and watch it grow. However, if you look at it from a risk-reward perspective, you have a very solid future seemingly locked up, and real estate can be your pathway to "F U money". 

    I think some other commenters have already run the math and proved that the actual return you got on capital put into the property was significantly higher than what you got in the market. If anything the only problem your current properties sound like they have is that they are deleveraged. Could be time to do a cash out with a 30yr fixed, or consolidate into a larger building where you can have property management. 

    Plus if you really wanted, if you did the cash-out refi and were dead set on stocks, you could use the extra proceeds for equities while holding onto your properties. That's the beauty of real estate when it works right?

  • Tim SwierczekPro Member
    Lender · White Bear Township, MN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    Hey Marek,

    It sounds like you have done much better than your giving yourself credit for.  I think all investment decisions are personal so if you want to do SP500 investing go for it, but that being said I disagree with your fundamental analysis of your returns.  My reply in bold

    - The first house was purchased in 2013 for $145K. That house is now worth $280K.
    - If I was to invest $145K in SP500 in 2013, I would have about $500K 

    ~ You stated, "we put very little down," and later stated you put down 5% or $7,250.  In order to invest $145K into the stock market in 2013, you would have needed to put $145K down on the SP500. If you invested $7,250 into the stock market in 2013 how much would you have now? My guess is your analysis can stop here, and you can stay invested in Real Estate. Note, please read to the end because I don't think this means you must keep this property.


    I know that the past is not the prologue, but I also know that historically housing trails the SP500.

    ~This is not true; you have been convinced of this by financial planners and companies that are listed on the stock market rig the game.  They compare COC returns and ignore all the other benefits and profit centers of rental Real Estate. They ignore leverage and assume that owning $100K of Real Estate requires the same investment as owning $100K of stock.  For simple math, if you use $100K to purchase stock and you get a 10% annualized return, you get 10% on 100K, but if you purchase rental real estate, you can commonly get 80% leverage.  In other words, you would own $500K in non-owner occupied real estate with $100K. If you get a 5% appreciation, you will get $25K per year if you ignore the compounding effect, but stocks compound as well, so I think it's fair to ignore that for easy math's sake.  This means you get a 25% return on appreciation alone, and you have not yet factored in the other three ways you make money on rental real estate.

    Your second area of profit that is not considered is loan paydown or amortization.  I ran an online calculator at 
    https://www.calculator.net/amo... and the results show your 15-year mortgage if at 7% has paid down from $137,750 to $62,528 or an additional $75,225 in profit in addition to your $280K in appreciation.

    Your Third area of profit is tax deductions.  Clearly, this varies per person, but if we can take some assumptions, we can see that it matters even if the amount calculated is not correct. The IRS lets you deprecate the building but not the land on a schedule of 27.5 years.  If the property was worth 145K, the land was likely worth 25K or less. On a 120K value, you would have received a 4,363.63 deduction per year, multiplied by 10 years, which is a cumulative deduction of $43,636.30. Your tax bracket would have changed over the years, but if you own three properties and have two incomes, it's likely your combined tax rate between Federal and State exceeded 25%.  Since I don't know, we will assume it's 25%. This gives you an additional $10,909.09 in tax savings.

    Lastly, you have cash flow.  In your case, you mentioned you have very little cash flow due to the 15-year mortgages. You didn't mention if you have enough cash flow to cover repairs and cap ex over the years, but sake of this post, let's assume your cash flow covered the money invested in repairs over the years. If that's the case, you made no less than:

    280+75=355K on a 7.25K investment, and you likely were able to write off some of the depreciation and you can carry it forward to the future.

    As stated above, investing is personal, and the SP is truly passive, whereas real estate is not.  That being said, you have options not mentioned. You could get a HELOC and tap some equity to purchase more real estate to put it in the SP. You could sell all three rentals and level up into some apartments. This would benefit you by repositioning and allow you to purchase a value add asset you can force appreciation, or you can sell and invest in the SP or sell and invest in a passive real estate deal.  My wife and I have sold most of our Minneapolis and St Paul properties and invested in apartments in both Louisville, KY, and, more recently Chattanooga, TN. We are the sponsors of those deals, but our partners are passive, and you can find passive deals in any market.

    If you want passive investments I would look to apartment syndication.  If you want to grow your wealth more and you don't mind putting in the work I would recommend you level up, sell all three houses and use the equity to purchase a 
    small apartment in TX.  @Jordan Moorhead is a great investor and Realtor working in Texas.  He would be a great person to jump on a call with.  He both invests actively and passively and can help you with your specifics.

    Good Luck!


  • James WilcoxBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Bowling Green KY ~ Lexington, KY · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 603 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Tim Swierczek:

    Hey Marek,

    It sounds like you have done much better than your giving yourself credit for.  I think all investment decisions are personal so if you want to do SP500 investing go for it, but that being said I disagree with your fundamental analysis of your returns.  My reply in bold

    - The first house was purchased in 2013 for $145K. That house is now worth $280K.
    - If I was to invest $145K in SP500 in 2013, I would have about $500K 

    ~ You stated, "we put very little down," and later stated you put down 5% or $7,250.  In order to invest $145K into the stock market in 2013, you would have needed to put $145K down on the SP500. If you invested $7,250 into the stock market in 2013 how much would you have now? My guess is your analysis can stop here, and you can stay invested in Real Estate. Note, please read to the end because I don't think this means you must keep this property.


    I know that the past is not the prologue, but I also know that historically housing trails the SP500.

    ~This is not true; you have been convinced of this by financial planners and companies that are listed on the stock market rig the game.  They compare COC returns and ignore all the other benefits and profit centers of rental Real Estate. They ignore leverage and assume that owning $100K of Real Estate requires the same investment as owning $100K of stock.  For simple math, if you use $100K to purchase stock and you get a 10% annualized return, you get 10% on 100K, but if you purchase rental real estate, you can commonly get 80% leverage.  In other words, you would own $500K in non-owner occupied real estate with $100K. If you get a 5% appreciation, you will get $25K per year if you ignore the compounding effect, but stocks compound as well, so I think it's fair to ignore that for easy math's sake.  This means you get a 25% return on appreciation alone, and you have not yet factored in the other three ways you make money on rental real estate.

    Your second area of profit that is not considered is loan paydown or amortization.  I ran an online calculator at 
    https://www.calculator.net/amo... and the results show your 15-year mortgage if at 7% has paid down from $137,750 to $62,528 or an additional $75,225 in profit in addition to your $280K in appreciation.

    Your Third area of profit is tax deductions.  Clearly, this varies per person, but if we can take some assumptions, we can see that it matters even if the amount calculated is not correct. The IRS lets you deprecate the building but not the land on a schedule of 27.5 years.  If the property was worth 145K, the land was likely worth 25K or less. On a 120K value, you would have received a 4,363.63 deduction per year, multiplied by 10 years, which is a cumulative deduction of $43,636.30. Your tax bracket would have changed over the years, but if you own three properties and have two incomes, it's likely your combined tax rate between Federal and State exceeded 25%.  Since I don't know, we will assume it's 25%. This gives you an additional $10,909.09 in tax savings.

    Lastly, you have cash flow.  In your case, you mentioned you have very little cash flow due to the 15-year mortgages. You didn't mention if you have enough cash flow to cover repairs and cap ex over the years, but sake of this post, let's assume your cash flow covered the money invested in repairs over the years. If that's the case, you made no less than:

    280+75=355K on a 7.25K investment, and you likely were able to write off some of the depreciation and you can carry it forward to the future.

    As stated above, investing is personal, and the SP is truly passive, whereas real estate is not.  That being said, you have options not mentioned. You could get a HELOC and tap some equity to purchase more real estate to put it in the SP. You could sell all three rentals and level up into some apartments. This would benefit you by repositioning and allow you to purchase a value add asset you can force appreciation, or you can sell and invest in the SP or sell and invest in a passive real estate deal.  My wife and I have sold most of our Minneapolis and St Paul properties and invested in apartments in both Louisville, KY, and, more recently Chattanooga, TN. We are the sponsors of those deals, but our partners are passive, and you can find passive deals in any market.

    If you want passive investments I would look to apartment syndication.  If you want to grow your wealth more and you don't mind putting in the work I would recommend you level up, sell all three houses and use the equity to purchase a 
    small apartment in TX.  @Jordan Moorhead is a great investor and Realtor working in Texas.  He would be a great person to jump on a call with.  He both invests actively and passively and can help you with your specifics.

    Good Luck!


    In all my time on BP this is one of the better posts that I have seen in a while. Kudos.

    REI James w/ eXp Realty54 Reviews
  • Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2021 · 12 posts · 4 votes
    3y

    Great follow up Tim!  We have had this conversation before but I appreciate the reminder.

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2022 · 184 posts · 78 votes
    3y

    I would be buying depressed indexes right now. What are we, 30% from ATHs still on SPY?

    You won't be seeing 30% appreciation in real estate any time soon, in my humble opinion

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