Can a beneficiary of a trust get a HELOC on the property?

Can a beneficiary of a trust get a HELOC on the property?

Investor · Kaneohe, HI · Member since 2012 · 218 posts · 104 votes

Can anyone tell me if I as a beneficiary, can take out a HELOC on my mothers property that is in a revocable trust for me? She is the the trustee and I am the beneficiary, I have a stable job and can qualify for the HELOC, but she just started her own company this year and doesnt have the years of experience to qualify for a HELOC on her own. Also she doesnt want to be on the HELOC or loan if possible, but wants me to be able to access the money for my investments.

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Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2012 · 462 posts · 294 votes
7y
Originally posted by @Babatunde Onwukeme:

@Henry M. any updates? were you given the heloc account with the properties in the trust? 


Yes, I was able to... As long as it is consistent with Fannie Mae (inter vivos trust) and Property Code (Texas is my state). I was denied unofficially 12+ times and officially three times, but I finally was approved. It took me four months to pull off.

Here are the requirements for Fannie Mae:

B2-2-05: Inter Vivos Revocable Trusts (10/31/2017)

Here's the short version of Texas Property Code (I am sure similar elsewhere):

Texas Property Code § 41.0021. Homestead in Qualifying Trust

This is the long version of the property code in Texas:

PROPERTY CODE TITLE 9 TRUSTS SUBTITLE B. TEXAS TRUST CODE: CREATION, OPERATION, AND TERMINATION OF TRUSTS CHAPTER 112. 

Here's a contact who I believe does loans on Irrevocable Trusts - Doing a loan inside a Revocable Living Trust is hard enough, but Irrevocable Trusts, wow! - Check out call. BTW, I believe he only does HML on these types of trusts in California. Click link below:

021: Making Loans to an Irrevocable Trust Is Possible. Here’s How.

At the end of the day, it was difficult, but worth it... Did spend thousands to get it right. Not by choice... Freaking Attorneys need to make their house payment and get their girlfriend boobs (sarcastic).

Fannie Mae is across the board, however where the problem lies is the lender... I went through a dozen lenders (as in researched and contacted) before I was able to find a lender who would not force me to pull out of trust, then back in.

If any of this helps you please VOTE. If you want a little bit more info, feel free to contact me directly... Either way, this info, although easy to find, is difficult when applying. 

This is my two cents and it was a grind... If anyone knows about loans, your finances are placed on hold especially if the debt ratio is tight. It was for me considering I lost my job at the end of October 2018. In other words, my finances were less than two years and not applicable. Yet, thank God I pulled it off.

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  • Specialist · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 6 votes
    8y
    Not sure, she could probably sign as trustee of the trust if the trust is the borrower.
  • Tom GimerBusiness Member
    DMV · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    Interesting question.

    The trust documents will state whether the trust can borrow money and pledge assets. However, since this is a revocable trust, and your interest is only contingent, the bank is going to want the trustee to guaranty the loan.

    As a contingent beneficiary you cannot borrow against an interest you don't own.

    Most of the lenders we deal with like the asset transferred out of the trust to an individual borrower before the loan is closed. Sounds like none of this works in your scenario.

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  • Investor · Kaneohe, HI · Member since 2012 · 218 posts · 104 votes
    8y

    Ok thanks for the input guys, I guess I'll just have to wait on this one.

  • Palo Alto, CA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Hey @Royce Talbo, were you able to take out a HELOC?

  • Investor · Kaneohe, HI · Member since 2012 · 218 posts · 104 votes
    7y

    @Roderick Sims no i did not pursue it.

  • Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2012 · 462 posts · 294 votes
    7y

    I am currently pursuing this myself... I am able to, however I am not willing to give up anonymity. 

    So still negotiating or researching outside the box.

    Will post results.

    "Big" Henry

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    7y

    @Henry M. any updates? were you given the heloc account with the properties in the trust?

  • Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2012 · 462 posts · 294 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Babatunde Onwukeme:

    @Henry M. any updates? were you given the heloc account with the properties in the trust? 


    Yes, I was able to... As long as it is consistent with Fannie Mae (inter vivos trust) and Property Code (Texas is my state). I was denied unofficially 12+ times and officially three times, but I finally was approved. It took me four months to pull off.

    Here are the requirements for Fannie Mae:

    B2-2-05: Inter Vivos Revocable Trusts (10/31/2017)

    Here's the short version of Texas Property Code (I am sure similar elsewhere):

    Texas Property Code § 41.0021. Homestead in Qualifying Trust

    This is the long version of the property code in Texas:

    PROPERTY CODE TITLE 9 TRUSTS SUBTITLE B. TEXAS TRUST CODE: CREATION, OPERATION, AND TERMINATION OF TRUSTS CHAPTER 112. 

    Here's a contact who I believe does loans on Irrevocable Trusts - Doing a loan inside a Revocable Living Trust is hard enough, but Irrevocable Trusts, wow! - Check out call. BTW, I believe he only does HML on these types of trusts in California. Click link below:

    021: Making Loans to an Irrevocable Trust Is Possible. Here’s How.

    At the end of the day, it was difficult, but worth it... Did spend thousands to get it right. Not by choice... Freaking Attorneys need to make their house payment and get their girlfriend boobs (sarcastic).

    Fannie Mae is across the board, however where the problem lies is the lender... I went through a dozen lenders (as in researched and contacted) before I was able to find a lender who would not force me to pull out of trust, then back in.

    If any of this helps you please VOTE. If you want a little bit more info, feel free to contact me directly... Either way, this info, although easy to find, is difficult when applying. 

    This is my two cents and it was a grind... If anyone knows about loans, your finances are placed on hold especially if the debt ratio is tight. It was for me considering I lost my job at the end of October 2018. In other words, my finances were less than two years and not applicable. Yet, thank God I pulled it off.

  • Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Henry M. were you able to get a bank loan? Or did you get a hard money loan? 

  • Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2012 · 462 posts · 294 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Helene Fox:

    @Henry M. were you able to get a bank loan? Or did you get a hard money loan? 

    Yes. Just read the post above yours and it will give you a detailed answer.

  • Stephanie MedellinBusiness Member
    Mortgage Broker · CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 644 votes
    6y

    @Helene Fox  As it relates to conventional loans (not HELOCs as mentioned in orginal post), it is possible to get the loan in a revocable trust, but you would need to be the trustee of the trust, not only a beneficiary.  

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  • Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Stephanie Medellin and @Henry M. thanks for your reply. That’s great news. I’ve just begun my research and I am currently only finding company’s that will give a loan but are hard money loans; ie high interest with only 1 year to payback.

    With the loans I am looking to build investment/rental property on the property of which is in the trust. @Stephanie Medellin what type of conventional loan would you recommend?

  • Stephanie MedellinBusiness Member
    Mortgage Broker · CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 644 votes
    6y

    @Helene Fox  So you or the trust already owns the property?  Does it already have a home on it?  Do you live there?  It sounds like you need a construction loan.

    Stephanie Medellin, Loan Factory58 Reviews
  • Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Stephanie Medellin is a construction loan possible to obtain within a trust?

    The trust owns the property (my mother is the beneficiary of the trust, me and my siblings are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th beneficiary’s)

    Yes, it already had a home on it. The property sits on a 9,200 square foot lot. The current house is around 1,200 sqft. According to our city regulations we are allowed to have 2 single family homes 3,500sqft. Each). We would like to build a large home in the back and renovate/expand the original home. Loan amount needed would be approximately $325,000.

    Yes, me and my mother both live on the property.


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