I Know This is Going to Sound Crazy BUT

I Know This is Going to Sound Crazy BUT

Don KonipolBusiness Member
Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes

Crazy as it is, here it goes

I’ve been audited three times - 2 full, 1 specific audit 

Since the audits were in different political “eras”, the conclusions I draw may not be valid - but here goes.

Audit 1 - my enrolled agent representative and I concluded that the IRS has a very strong case.  They claimed I owed $6,000 (this was back in 1983) and I thought anything less would be a good outcome for me.  My rep asked if I was ready and able to write a check for any full settlement amount and I said I was.  Despite my rather weak case the IRS settled for $1,350.

Audit 2 - This time I was represented by an attorney.  The IRS claim I owed $5700.  I thought they had an air tight case for $4500.  I was elated to write a check for $750 as full payment.

Audit 3 - This one was a specific audit related to medical write offs as itemized deductions.  I had invoices, receipts, credit card statements, etc.  whatever I sent the IRS they claimed wasn’t good enough, and also came back with another requirements.  The final requirement was a statement from my wife as to the necessity of her (rather extensive) and uninsured medical procedures.  Since my wife had passed away 6 months prior to the IRS audit, I was unable to obtain the statement.  I got my attorney involved, and his conclusion was that the IRS was “stonewalling” and a lawsuit would be required, with all the inherent legal costs.  Since the amount claimed by the IRS was below the cost of a lawsuit (about $10,500), I decided to just write the check and go on with my life. 

So here’s my conclusion


The WEAKER the IRS case, the less they’re willing to negotiate.  Conversely, the stronger their case, the greater the “discount” they’ll accept.  Maybe someone who worked for a governmental agency can explain this to me? 

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  • Michael PlaksPro Member
    Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    2mo

    Hi @Don Konipol, long time...  :)

    No such generalizations in my 30 years of fighting the IRS. Your reference to the different eras is more likely to be the explanation. And it is not about politics, it is about competence. A lot of the old guard has retired. The new crop is woefully undertrained and inexperienced. And of course, in any era we have excellent professionals working for the IRS, as well as - what should we call them - less adequate ones?

    Sorry about losing your wife.

    • Don KonipolBusiness Member
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      Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Michael Plaks:

      Hi @Don Konipol, long time...  :)

      No such generalizations in my 30 years of fighting the IRS. Your reference to the different eras is more likely to be the explanation. And it is not about politics, it is about competence. A lot of the old guard has retired. The new crop is woefully undertrained and inexperienced. And of course, in any era we have excellent professionals working for the IRS, as well as - what should we call them - less adequate ones?

      Sorry about losing your wife.

      Thanks Michael.  My sample size is much too small to draw any conclusions with any degree of confidence.  More like empirical and biased evidence.  BUT, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it! LOL 
      Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2mo
    Quote from @Don Konipol:

    Crazy as it is, here it goes

    I’ve been audited three times - 2 full, 1 specific audit 

    Since the audits were in different political “eras”, the conclusions I draw may not be valid - but here goes.

    Audit 1 - my enrolled agent representative and I concluded that the IRS has a very strong case.  They claimed I owed $6,000 (this was back in 1983) and I thought anything less would be a good outcome for me.  My rep asked if I was ready and able to write a check for any full settlement amount and I said I was.  Despite my rather weak case the IRS settled for $1,350.

    Audit 2 - This time I was represented by an attorney.  The IRS claim I owed $5700.  I thought they had an air tight case for $4500.  I was elated to write a check for $750 as full payment.

    Audit 3 - This one was a specific audit related to medical write offs as itemized deductions.  I had invoices, receipts, credit card statements, etc.  whatever I sent the IRS they claimed wasn’t good enough, and also came back with another requirements.  The final requirement was a statement from my wife as to the necessity of her (rather extensive) and uninsured medical procedures.  Since my wife had passed away 6 months prior to the IRS audit, I was unable to obtain the statement.  I got my attorney involved, and his conclusion was that the IRS was “stonewalling” and a lawsuit would be required, with all the inherent legal costs.  Since the amount claimed by the IRS was below the cost of a lawsuit (about $10,500), I decided to just write the check and go on with my life. 

    So here’s my conclusion


    The WEAKER the IRS case, the less they’re willing to negotiate.  Conversely, the stronger their case, the greater the “discount” they’ll accept.  Maybe someone who worked for a governmental agency can explain this to me? 


    the one that got me was disallowing my airline flights one year because I did not have the actual boarding pass's  credit card receipts were not good enough..  I mean I had verifiable business in the cities I flew to on the books.. I did not go to Indy in Feb for the weather or culture. frustrating that one. 

    Got audited specifically for gozone won that one I proved I was a full time in RE.

    Got audited for my airplane .. Proved majority of my flights were business related and or training per my log book.
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