Contractor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2020 · 8 posts · 4 votes
How do you account for closing settlement charges and expenses such as escrow fee, title insurance, wire/notary fees, recording fees, items payable in connection with a loan (on the seller side), appraisal fees, etc... Do you itemize these various items under insurance, legal/professional fees, bank fees on your COA or do you book these as direct costs of goods sold? Is there a reason to keep these off the individual project/investment proforma and put in overhead expenses; or should the opposite argument be made?
How do you account for closing settlement charges and expenses such as escrow fee, title insurance, wire/notary fees, recording fees, items payable in connection with a loan (on the seller side), appraisal fees, etc... Do you itemize these various items under insurance, legal/professional fees, bank fees on your COA or do you book these as direct costs of goods sold? Is there a reason to keep these off the individual project/investment proforma and put in overhead expenses; or should the opposite argument be made?
Thank you!
Loan cost are capitalized and amortized over the term of the loans. So from accounting perspective, an intangible asset is booked.
Escrowed amount are not deductible or capitalized for taxes and booked against equity.
Most of the settlement charges are added to the basis of the property and booked as building and land.
Spring Lake, NJ · Member since 2017 · 1 post · 0 votes
5y
I'm a newbie (albeit with 30 years of accounting under my belt) but my two cents... I don't see any of those as overhead. They are transactional expenses directly related to the obtaining or disposing of the property and definitely should not be included in the COA.
Everything you listed there is germane to the project you are working on. If you are going to analyze the profitability of a deal you would want to isolate all of those items to obtaining that deal and not comingle with other operational costs.
I also feel if you present a pro-forma, everything you mentioned above is part of the cost to obtain the unit and should be attributable to your investment basis. After your costs to obtain, your proforma would deal with the regular operating income/outflow... inclusive of taxes/insurance/maintenence/management/vacancy, etc...
How do you account for closing settlement charges and expenses such as escrow fee, title insurance, wire/notary fees, recording fees, items payable in connection with a loan (on the seller side), appraisal fees, etc... Do you itemize these various items under insurance, legal/professional fees, bank fees on your COA or do you book these as direct costs of goods sold? Is there a reason to keep these off the individual project/investment proforma and put in overhead expenses; or should the opposite argument be made?
Thank you!
Loan cost are capitalized and amortized over the term of the loans. So from accounting perspective, an intangible asset is booked.
Escrowed amount are not deductible or capitalized for taxes and booked against equity.
Most of the settlement charges are added to the basis of the property and booked as building and land.
Accountant · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2019 · 43 posts · 30 votes
5y
As @Ashish Acharya has said, all of those things you mentioned have a proper treatment under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles and tax law. If you give the settlement statement to your tax accountant or a knowledgable bookkeeper, they can book them for you and explain each individually.
Real Estate Consultant · Lehigh Valley PA & New York City · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 662 votes
5y
@Katie Anderson Closing Costs are not typical operational expenses. I was a Developmental Controller as well as other sectors of real estate, these costs will be in the balance sheet and not the income statement. Please consult with a CPA/Consultant/Bookkeeper preferably in real estate.
Interesting to see the differing in answers above.
It depends on the type of expense that you are paying at closing.
Some items are capitalized into the cost of the property Some items are currently expensed The other items are escrow payment which don't get added to cost of basis or currently expensed.
Items that would be added to cost of property - title work costs, stamps, etc Items that are currently expensed - if you pay real estate taxes or home owners insurance at closing
Real Estate Consultant · Norfolk, VA · Member since 2017 · 345 posts · 201 votes
5y
The way you book items in the closing statement depends on your RE investing strategy (flipping, buy & hold, wholesaling, etc.). Also, the closing statements format vary, so depends on what items are under closing costs, some of them need to go to balance sheet while some go to income statement. For example, interest, property tax and property insurance are booked as expense for buy and hold but "holding cost" (asset) for flippers.
How do you account for closing settlement charges and expenses such as escrow fee, title insurance, wire/notary fees, recording fees, items payable in connection with a loan (on the seller side), appraisal fees, etc... Do you itemize these various items under insurance, legal/professional fees, bank fees on your COA or do you book these as direct costs of goods sold? Is there a reason to keep these off the individual project/investment proforma and put in overhead expenses; or should the opposite argument be made?
Thank you!
what type of project are you doing? Buy and hold or flip? and are you referring to escrows, or title/lender fees?
I always hate talking to my attorney because their answer always seems to be “it depends”, haha. But that is my answer here. Some costs are acquisition costs, others are escrows, etc.
Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
3y
@Katie Anderson
Some really bad advice in this column - especially from those not cpa or accountant. I recommend listening to them and my recommendation is to always send your closing disclosure (hud-1) to your accountant and they can properly itemize it.