Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2017 · 28 posts · 2 votes
My duplex investment property burned down last year. The property was under fire investigation with the insurance company for ~6 months. Since it’s been a year, the city is on my back about demolishing the property or rebuilding to prevent liens and citations. The insurance claim funds was less than the quotes I received for a rebuild, I’ve decided to move forward with the demolition, because I don’t have time for more analysis on rebuild vs demo. I plan on keeping the property and figuring out what I will do later.
I’m looking for a demolition company, but is there anything I need to think about when moving forward?
Before you demolish the building make sure you can rebuild. I've seen many owners demolish a building to find out later, the building was non-conforming and they cannot build the same thing. I had a property that was a two unit building and caught fire, it was non-conforming and the city was requiring me to alter it to a SFH.
I’ve been a building and zoning official for years and know my way around zoning requirements. I was able to keep the two unit building.
Before you demolish the building make sure you can rebuild. I've seen many owners demolish a building to find out later, the building was non-conforming and they cannot build the same thing. I had a property that was a two unit building and caught fire, it was non-conforming and the city was requiring me to alter it to a SFH.
I’ve been a building and zoning official for years and know my way around zoning requirements. I was able to keep the two unit building.
Before you demolish the building make sure you can rebuild. I've seen many owners demolish a building to find out later, the building was non-conforming and they cannot build the same thing. I had a property that was a two unit building and caught fire, it was non-conforming and the city was requiring me to alter it to a SFH.
I’ve been a building and zoning official for years and know my way around zoning requirements. I was able to keep the two unit building.
Excellent advice Kenneth.. I have seen the same thing mainly with commercial buildings that could not be replaced B/C of zoning and of course what the poor folks in CA deal with when all those homes burnt down from socal to nor cal.
Thank you, Kenneth. This is good to know. I remember when I did a cash-out refi this came up that and if there was ever a fire at the house, then the property would have to be rebuilt as a single family home, but I was exempt from that clause and was grandfathered in to where that wasn’t the case for me.
I decided to use some of the insurance proceeds to pay off the mortgage. Next will be the demo, but I’m going to check with the city about the clause because even though I may not rebuild today, I will keep the land and rebuild at a later date. Because of this, is there anything I need to tell demo company not to “demolish” so that the property is in a “ready state” for a rebuild later? Like keep the plumbing or don’t demolish the foundation or basement. The property was deemed a total loss by the insurance, but a good portion of it is still standing.
Do not do anything until you talk to the city. Typical ordinances will state that if the property is damaged by more than 50% of its value, it must comply with current standards, such as a SFH.
There may be some relief you could apply for if the conversation doesn’t go the way you had hoped. A zoning variation or a Special Use or a formal appeal. It depends on the local ordinance.
Do not do anything until you talk to the city. Typical ordinances will state that if the property is damaged by more than 50% of its value, it must comply with current standards, such as a SFH.
There may be some relief you could apply for if the conversation doesn’t go the way you had hoped. A zoning variation or a Special Use or a formal appeal. It depends on the local ordinance.
I am so sorry you had to go through this @Ashley Hughes. As you move ahead, it’s very important to stay close to the city requirements so you don’t solve one problem and have another. Things like permits, how the lot needs to be left after demolition, and making sure utilities are fully handled can come back quickly if missed. It’s also a good idea to be certain the insurance side is fully settled before anything starts, just so there are no surprises later.
From there, it really becomes about protecting the land while you buy yourself time to decide the next move. Holding costs, basic liability coverage, and keeping the lot in good standing with the city will keep your options open.
I am so sorry you had to go through this @Ashley Hughes. As you move ahead, it’s very important to stay close to the city requirements so you don’t solve one problem and have another. Things like permits, how the lot needs to be left after demolition, and making sure utilities are fully handled can come back quickly if missed. It’s also a good idea to be certain the insurance side is fully settled before anything starts, just so there are no surprises later.
From there, it really becomes about protecting the land while you buy yourself time to decide the next move. Holding costs, basic liability coverage, and keeping the lot in good standing with the city will keep your options open.
Thank you Denise! Any suggestions around protecting the land outside of keeping it tidy and mowed?
Contest the rebuild costs. Submit contractor quotes. Get an attorney if needed to fight on your behalf.
@John Underwood, it may be too late for the contesting the rebuild costs. I’ve already used a portion of the funds to pay off the loan. I didn’t even realize that those quotes could be contested.
Why have you waited 6 months to start coming up with a plan? How do you plan to deal with asbestos, lead, or other hazardous waste in the rubble pile? Do you know what is required for handling these materials? What do you plan to do about utility connections while you have heavy equipment on site to prepare (or not) for future re-connection? What permits do you need for the demolition?
Why have you waited 6 months to start coming up with a plan? How do you plan to deal with asbestos, lead, or other hazardous waste in the rubble pile? Do you know what is required for handling these materials? What do you plan to do about utility connections while you have heavy equipment on site to prepare (or not) for future re-connection? What permits do you need for the demolition?
Good question, with the property being under investigation with the insurance company for ~6 months, I was told I could not do anything with the property during this time. Also within that time, my job was impacted. I am still learning about how to deal with next steps. Unfortunately there’s no clear information online that tells me all of that. I have talked to construction companies and they all tell me different things. Some offer more things than others. So, I don’t know what’s really needed and what’s right or wrong since I’m no expert. If you have any tips to share or questions I can ask, please share
Cap the water, sewer and gas if you've got it. Assuming overhead wires I'm sure the electric company already pulled the service line. If the lot is valuable and you think there's money to be made, get it shovel ready with utilities available. That will make the lot a lot more saleable.
Cap the water, sewer and gas if you've got it. Assuming overhead wires I'm sure the electric company already pulled the service line. If the lot is valuable and you think there's money to be made, get it shovel ready with utilities available. That will make the lot a lot more saleable.
Thank you for the suggestions. I’ll be sure to include them.
Is it completely burned down? Did you know that local fire departments will pay you to practice on a building? Call them and have a discussion, it might be worth more than $25K to you to find out.
Is it completely burned down? Did you know that local fire departments will pay you to practice on a building? Call them and have a discussion, it might be worth more than $25K to you to find out.
Wait, whatttttt. No, it’s still standing but the roof is barely there and other areas are boarded up.