Beware of Kwikset Smartkey Deadbolts

Beware of Kwikset Smartkey Deadbolts

Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2012 · 155 posts · 41 votes

I just wanted to share some more recent experience with Kwikset deadbolts as I have recommended them to numerous people in the past.  Since early 2011 I have been installing Kwikset Smartkey deadbolts in all of my properties.  I currently have somewhere between 16-18 deadbolts installed.  In the last 12 months or so I have had to replace 3 of the earlier units due to them completely failing and locking tenants out.  Luckily my properties all have two doors and I haven't had both locksets fail at the same time.  

Now, more recently I purchased a brand new off the shelf unit and wound up getting locked out of my property with my keys, tools and cell phone inside the property (this happened in the winter in MN).  Luckily my vehicle was unlocked and I was able to beat the lock into submission with a trailer hitch of all things to regain access.  Basically I installed the lock, stepped outside to test it using the supplied keys.  The deadbolt slid to the lock position and then when I went to unlock it the inner cylinder and the key popped out of the lock sending the lock pins flying all over.  

Below is a copy paste of  Kwikset's response...I expect better.  I invested in their product and purchased more locksets than I would imagine 99.9% of homeowners purchase in a lifetime.  

Status: Solved

Case Number: 201501811889

Subject: Lock Failures and Out of the Box Issues

Description: 

Hi,

I have been installing your Smartkey deadbolts on my rental properties since early 2011. I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 16 of your smartkey deadbolts currently installed. I have been pretty happy with them, but I’m running into some issues lately. Some of the early deadbolts are getting really flukey and resetting themselves sporatically. I’ve replaced a 2 of the original 2011 deadbolts and I have another one that it looks like I’m going to have to replace.

A couple weeks ago I was installing a brand new deadbolt that I purchased at Home depot. I was just finishing installing it and stepped outside to test the lock (leaving my car keys, wallet, phone and tool bag inside the rental property). The door locked perfectly, but when I went to unlock it the lock cylinder spun and pulled out with the key locking me out of the property as well as leaving me stranded with no phone and no keys. It took me about an hour to gain access back to the rental with the random tools I had in my luckily unlocked car.

Now just yesterday I purchased a brand new lock from Home Depot. I installed it and when I finished up I went to test it and the keys that came with it don’t work in the lock. Tonight I’m going to have to go over there and remove the lock and return it. I really really like the rekeying ability of these locks, but with the failures I’ve been having I’m extremely frustrated. At roughly $40 a pop I have invested a lot of money into a lock system that I had hoped would simplify my life.

Eric

CASE DETAILS
Case Type: Warranty Smartkey- Deadbolt
Submitted: 1/2/2015
Case Category: Warranty Smartkey- Deadbolt
MESSAGES ADD MESSAGE
SubmittedSubmitted ByDescription
1/5/2015Customer Service (Norman)Hello Eric Gutierrez,

The cylinder that pulled out may just be missing a clip that holds it in place, do you have this product still and can e-mail a picture of it?

The last item without the key working may be able to be corrected?
The Key may not have been inserted all the way when it was keyed in the Factory? Try this step first, insert the key all the way in. Slowly remove key while trying to turn, if key moves reset the key again and if not it must be reset with a Tool called the Cradle. Lowe's and Home Depot should have this Cradle and other retailers may have it now also. Can this cylinder be taken to be reset?


1/8/2015Eric GutierrezThe one that the cylinder fell out of I think I still have it. I used a trailer hitch reciever and a prybar to beat it into submission so that I could unlock the door with a pocketknife. This was all I had available to use due to being locked out of the house in December in Minnesota with no car keys, wallet, cell phone.

I went back the next day and swapped out the lock and returned it and replaced it.

1/14/2015Eric GutierrezNot sure why this still says waiting on customer.


1/14/2015Customer Service (Norman)Hello Eric Gutierrez,


The message says waiting because you do not have access to change it to any thing else and we have not opened your e-mail to answer back.
Sounds like you have it all replaced so you do not need any ting from us?.

1/15/2015Eric GutierrezYes, at this moment I do not need anything else. I would like to say I am disappointed in Kwikset's response to what happened. I will not be recommending your locks any more.

-Eric

1/15/2015Eric GutierrezI saw last night that I do have the deadbolt that I had to demolish to gain access back to the property. I guess i will go ahead and just toss it.


1/15/2015

Customer Service (Norman)

Hello Eric Gutierrez,

This is the warranty department, we replace items that break that are under warranty. If you do not need the one item replaced we will close this e-mail case.


1/15/2015Eric GutierrezSo the fact that I'm seeing multiple failures in your deadbolts roughly 2-3 years after they are installed is normal?


1/15/2015Eric GutierrezCan I get reimbursed for the lockset that failed out of the package. I had to physically mangle to gain access to my property so I doubt that Home Depot will accept the return.
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Investor · Cedar Rapids, IA · Member since 2014 · 77 posts · 21 votes
11y

I use landlord locks instead.  You can replace the core of the lock in seconds and I have a master key for all of my properties.  I have cores that I can put in and then give keys to my contractors.  If I then want to lock the property up, I swap cores and the contractor key doesnt work any more.  I can the locks right in front of the tenant during lease signing and move in and they are usually impressed and like knowing that they are the only one besides myself that have keys.

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  • Investor · Hampton Roads, VA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 418 votes
    11y

    @Eric Gutierrez 

    Sometimes messing with an original design just doesn't work out well...

  • Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2012 · 155 posts · 41 votes
    11y

    Anyone wanna buy 12 working Kwikset smartkey locks?  I seriously just want to fully transition over to the Landlord locks but Im having a tough time getting rid of all the working kwikset locks I have.  

  • Investor · Hampton Roads, VA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 418 votes
    11y

    If the cost is FREE I'm your guy :)

  • Property Manager · Big Bear Lake, CA · Member since 2013 · 585 posts · 330 votes
    11y

    @Bryan N. 

    The locks I have are Schlage, but there are lots of brands. They run $100 to $130 for most of them. They are a bit expensive, but they don't have to be re-keyed ever. I've also never had one fail, unlike the Kwikset Smartkey locks. I have one of the electronic ones on my own front door and one on the garage door and love them. 

  • Realtor · Houston, TX · Member since 2013 · 128 posts · 27 votes
    11y

    I've got two "dead" smartkey locks that I can't rekey because they were re-keyed and the key used to rekey them disappeared.  These are the landlord version with the rotating face so I only need a master to get into the property.  

    More folks are aware that you can rekey the locks with the little hole on the face..I'll be switching to landlordlocks shortly and selling the kwikset locks on ebay.  Should have gone with my gut the first time around.

    The kwikset locks sounded real appetizing and they were simple to get started, but it doesn't take much to render them useless.

  • Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2014 · 659 posts · 536 votes
    11y

    @Al Bunch

    Hmmm.  I have had over one hundred units at a time.  I use the smartkeys exclusively.  I do have the cradle that resets the locks if you need to.  I have never had a problem with them at all and I have been using them for years.  Lucky me, I guess.

  • Attorney · Bettendorf, IA · Member since 2015 · 106 posts · 47 votes
    11y

    they make rekey kids that you can buy on Amazon or Ebay for for all the popular brands.

    The first time you attempt this, it can seem pretty daunting. However after a couple of practice rounds, I can rekey several handledits in about 10 minutes for less then $10.

  • Rental Property Investor · Exeter, CA · Member since 2016 · 60 posts · 35 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Steve Olafson:

    Why are you paying so much?  I get them for $17 each from HD Supply.  I have never had one fail and have installed hundreds of them.

    btw... I have the cradle tool as well. Sometimes you need to reset them if a key is lost or a mistake is made.

     The $17 one that you are buying should be the ANSI grade 3 locks. You should be paying more than that for an ANSI 1 deadbolt. 

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 389 posts · 250 votes
    9y

    I'll add to this, as I read the thread a while ago, but just recently had a Smart Key deadbolt fail on me after a reset (as Eric had when he started the thread).  Kwikset said it can happen if the reset isn't completely firm (or something like that) and recommended a cradle reset at Lowe's or Home Depot.  Well, this 2-year-old thread says the same thing about the cradle, and this weekend I tried a rural Lowe's & Home Depot, and an Atlanta Lowe's, and none of the three stores actually have one.  Not sure I want to buy one, either, since they don't get great reviews.  

    Guess I'll be taking it apart to reset (per YouTube videos), but they make me extremely nervous.  I hate paying $10 a cylinder to rekey, but it's better than a tenant permanently locked out of a unit with only one door.  On units with two doors, the risk is lower.

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
    9y

    I did it per Youtube and it was fine.  I've been happy with the system. I would not feel OK with the electronic ones only as a latch lock, and the deadbolts are too loud for multifamilies, they whine loudly moving the bolt.

    re contractor keys: I'm so done giving them front door keys to the buildings and having them lose them. Next contractor I use I'm getting one of those combination key safes to hang on the fence. Gotta figure a way to make sure they put it back though.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2009 · 477 posts · 304 votes
    8y

    We are using the kwikset smartkey locks. Menards had contractor packs where you could buy 2 deadbolts and 2 passage knobs for $40. But they just discontinued them.  So now we are back to single sourcing smartkey deadbolts.. SUCK!

    I ran into kwikset guys at an IMN conference, and they sent me a free puck system to reset these locks.. They evidently had a bad batch come through last year and we were having about a 10% failure rate..

    The key to the smartkeys is they are not very forgiving if you don't rekey the "proper" way... You put your key in, turn it quarter turn, and then push the reset, and pull your old key out.. If you go like counter clockwise or go past 3:00 you can be in for a major reset with the puck... ASK ME HOW I KNOW!!! hehe

    I own a property management company, and we are adding a ton of properties each month, and I doubt I can get ahead of this with landlord locks.  

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y
    I don’t use the fancy locks because it’s really not that hard or time consuming to switch out new ones. Maybe 5 minutes? I also don’t carry keys like a janitor. I have an organized key ring setup in my office and I only take the keys that I need when I go out for maintenance.
  • Member since 2018 · 1 post · 0 votes
    8y

    I haven't had any problems with installed Kwikset locks around the home, and had them for a decade. 

    I'm sure there is the occasional manufacturing glitch. For example, I just bought a kwikset "Premis" smart lock the other day (fairly new model in their smart lock line,  similar to the Kwikset 913, 914, 916, but has the touch screen instead of buttons and this flavor is compatible with iOS, instead of the other protocols like ZigBee or Z-Wave).  As of mid-2018, that whole family has as as the main operational component (the part that mounts inside the door) a frame that houses the controller board (brains/microcontroller) and the motor/worm gear assembly that turns the deadbolt.  The installation instructions direct you to extend the deadbolt in the door before attaching the main operational component align the main component's axle "pointing upward" (the head that extends out looks like a triangular Phillips screwdriver), so it is aligned with the deadbolt axle.

    But on this particular controller component it WOULD NOT rotate to the proper position.  I knew from recently installing a couple of other kwikset smart locks that it HAD to be able to do that or the pieces would not fit together on the door, and also know what it was supposed to look like when it worked. I had a hunch someone assembled it wrong.

    Since I'd already removed and re-packaged the lock I was replacing with this one, to return the other to the store,  didn't want to hassle a return this one, I took a gamble on my hunch that someone installed one piece wrong (the axle 180° off), and I might be able to fix it.  Fortunately it was pretty easy to unplug the little approx 2"x2" controller board and disassemble the unit and rotate the axle 180° and reassemble it perfectly and it works!  But one point I'm making is that it proves there are assembly line problems occasionally with this brand. But kudos that they designed it in a way that made it easy to address the problem for a techie kind of person.

    Overall I think Kwikset stuff is pretty good (and reasonably clever), but they may not have a perfect manufacturing record.  But no mass producer does. I don't know how the % of botched units from Kwikset compares to consumer products overall though. But anyone expecting perfection from ANY mass consumer producer is kidding themselves. There is no perfection. There will always be flawed units coming off the assembly lines. I see people over-reacting to that all the time, but if you want any peace in this life, you'd better accept some % of disappointment and be prepared to hassle getting the occasional replacement. Most vendors/manufacturers are reasonable about it.  

    It's almost childish to trash talk a whole product line just because you got a 1 in 1000 faulty unit.  If you get two... or the seller or vendor are jerks, that's another story.

    From what I've seen on youtube, virtually all of the main consumer deadbolts can be hacked by drilling though. There is some brand that insists it can't be defeated that way. So theoretically that brand of deadbolt and something like an August Pro lock might be a bit more break in proof, but I think a really determined thief will get into most places, and I have other lines of defense, so I'm not too worried about drilling in this case, and I prefer having a touchscreen/keypad available and not be 100% dependent on phone or key to let me in, as is the case with August locks. The August does have a wireless keypad extra purchase, but reports (and looks of it) are there are battery and connection issues, and it seems like too much of an afterthought to me.  So that's one reason I went with Kwikset. It works, it has a keypad and it looks good.

  • St Thomas, Ontario · Member since 2013 · 575 posts · 408 votes
    8y

    I posted in this thread three years ago and at that time was using Kwikset smartkey locks. Until I had them start to act up and lock out on me. On one turnover rekeying ended up where neither the new key nor the old key would work. My handyman was present and he went off and bought a new lock, but that was it, I was through with these locks. A lock that leaves me with a property that is unsecured is a lock that is failing in my view. I switched to Landlordlocks iCore system and have had no problems. The core of the lock switches out through use of the control key and so rekeying is literally a matter of seconds. The locks have proved to be very reliable. They are competitively priced and the service is great. Plus I now have a master key for my units. I am very pleased with the change and have no regrets in moving away from the unreliable locks I had been using. 

  • Vendor · Canelburg, IN · Member since 2014 · 23 posts · 4 votes
    8y

    Thanks for the plug Stephen E. We're glad you like your locks!

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