Why is Rent still due during COVID-19?

Why is Rent still due during COVID-19?

Investor · Union, NJ · Member since 2020 · 81 posts · 312 votes

I have had the opportunity to find and work with some of the best property managers (after many years) for our current properties. Over the years we have gone from me just treating them like just a service I hired to us working together toward a common goal and reaching a place of trust. So a few of our managers have reached out to us regarding their interactions with our tenants regarding the COVID-19 situation. So here goes: 

Rent is still due. Why? 

1 - Tenants should also have saved 'reserves' in place - so if they are already missing their rent payment come April just a few weeks into this, they are selectively deciding not to pay for their shelter in hopes of rent forgiveness - which is no different than shoplifting or any other use of a service with the knowing intention not to pay - no one to blame but one person.

2 - There are options available to Tenants: They can always put it on a credit card, which really already has a payment plan set up for them with their terms... a tenant can quite literally just pay the minimum until they get back on their fee, not suggesting anyone just may the minimum on a CC but that is an option, just like it is an option to put food, utilities and anything else on a credit card, shelter is no different. 

3 - There are loans available to Tenant: Applying for temporary loans to make ends meet are available and even more so now - and before anyone says you won't qualify - there's only one person to blame for that and yes... a CC is a type of loan when used - so if you have a CC... you can access to borrowed funds with a re-payment system. 

4 - Why does a tenant have to live in the current rental? - As if there aren't options...So if a single lady is renting a 4 bedroom waterfront rental for $3,000/mo. and then says she cant afford rent but continues to remain in place i.e. selectively choosing not to move out and just stay - wouldn't her moving out to 4 bedroom non-waterfront for $1,600/mo. make more sense? or better yet... downsize,  that is... if the tenant did really want to make it right. - so again selectively choosing to pass on the debt to someone else without taking 'sacrifice' for you situation under your own wing... is a choice. 

5 - One of our managers was trying to work out a deal with a tenant for deferred rent and contacted the employer to verify the situation before approving the deferred rent plan... The employer:

 'Yes unfortunately we had to lay him off due to this pandemic, but it just important you take that into consideration because everyone needs shelter, you should certainly let him stay'

---- Couldn't agree more everyone does need shelter just like everyone does need food and water, the baffling question is... if the this employer is worried about the employees than why not just continue to pay them a salary during this entire thing?.... oh yeah... because they want to pass the buck... essentially saying 'No, I cant afford to continue paying them because we have no customers but you should offer to continue paying for the mortgage on their rental even though your customer (tenant) is not paying you' - hypocrisy at its best. 

Albeit most that request assistance as it stands RIGHT NOW... only a few weeks into this situation... are unwilling to take on the responsibility for themselves onto their shoulders and find it just easier to put it onto someone else... which is why we have instructed our PM's to 1) verify the tenant's unemployment with connection to COVID-19, 2) allow them to take advantage of the options above, deffer rent for only those that truly absolutely need it, and file for eviction for all the rest to be in place when courts start the process... because as mentioned above options remain in helping tenants make ends meet but not paying for a product you are currently consuming is never going to be an option, if it is... next time you go to the grocery store for food... a first level necessity... try to walkout with a cart full of it without paying and see if they'll absorb the cost - the audacity of the manager even trying to stop you! 

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Rental Property Investor · Portland OR · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
6y

honestly. lets not be the ******* landlords everyone thinks we are. Howabout the idea that everyone should share in the pain equally??  why is it just the hourly wage earner that needs to float everything??

While we are on shutdown, many people are still working and many more are getting temp jobs.....   My feeling is - if a tenant is having a hardship I will share that hardship with them... and it will depend on  the circumstances what that means.

Be a good human....  share this pain so we ALL can come out ok and so that the public sentiment of LLs does not erode further. 

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  • Real Estate Broker · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2018 · 269 posts · 597 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Heather Frusco What you should do is imagine yourself as a person with good character and go back and rewrite this tutorial, because this is trash. If you lack the compassion or simply do not understand the gravity of the situation, then I suggest you get educated. EVERYONE is affected by this crisis and if you feel so compelled to write this diatribe patting yourself on your back about how ‘prepared’ you are, then clearly you were not prepared. This IS everyone’s burden. Instead of being reactionary, be proactive. Reach out to all your tenants and find out how they are affected. Let them know that you care (if that is possible for you) and that we are in this together. If they have lost a job or some significant income, reduce the rent to something manageable. It will be appreciated and won’t leave you with an empty mailbox and stack of unsatisfied eviction notices. I hope this helps.

    If they've lost income, at this point that income is going to be made up by the government (PLUS $1200 per adult and $500 per child just because). There's going to be no excuse for not paying rent (maybe an excuse for being late), but many simply won't do it anyway because there are going to be no repercussions, and a system produces what it incentivizes every time. In the same way we had an ocean of elective foreclosures in California during the last downturn, there WILL be a ton of tenants who elect to not pay rent simply because the mechanism of enforcement of the payment of rent has been removed. Just you wait. Let me know how "appreciative" your tenants have been in 4 months.

    I've got to say, I've never been more happy in my life to not be a landlord. 

  • Member since 2018 · 23 posts · 58 votes
    6y

    @Heather Frusco It is obviously your prerogative to means test your tenants to determine if they need help. However you initially began this thread to discuss rent/evictions in the context of covid 19 yet you seem to be approaching it from a largely business as usual perspective. The Senate just unanimously passed a relief package to give straight cash payments to a giant swath of Americans. This is a crisis that will probably end up without parallel in our lifetimes and in my opinion we ALL need help. This shouldn't be landlord vs tenants or relief to only the most downtrodden. My only concern with your initial post is it is encouraging landlords on this website to turn towards free market ideals in a time that desperately needs communal effort to help everyone. For some reason in America communal solidarity is avoided at all costs. If a landlord truly needs a monthly rent payment immediately to stay afloat I would hope someone would help them whether it be a wealthy friend, family member or the government. If a landlord is in a position to take a hit to their bottom line for a few months to help someone else, I hope they would do everything they can to help them too.

    This whole argument is also assuming that there is a pool of renters waiting to take evictees place, which I am not so sure about, so we it might be a moot point anyway. 

  • Investor · Union, NJ · Member since 2020 · 81 posts · 312 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @John Clark:

    "you should beware what you wish for. Those are commercial leases and like most commercial leases... when the business makes more they pay more in rent in ADDITION to that the landlord in most commercial leases can take possession of all the businesses assets --"

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    Wrong. Most commercial leases are for flat, fixed amounts and the only time you'll see a participation rent is when the business is new and the tenant needs to get established in his cash flow. If the landlord likes the tenant's business, he might agree to a participation rent. You and I both know that Cheesecake Factory and other established businesses aren't doing participation leases.

    As for assets, landlords in commercial leases often provide that fixtures become landlord property at the conclusion of the lease. That is common. Other assets? rarely. Usually a judgment levy. Perchance you are thinking of possessory liens?

    You called non-paying tenants thieves, @Heather Frusco , and if Cheesecake Factory DELIBERATELY isn't paying rent, then it is, per you, a den of thieves. Are you going to boycott it?


    If you say so John. Silly us for giving tenants the option to make ends meet by allowing them to pay with a credit card and absorbing the processing fees.  

  • Real Estate Broker · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2018 · 269 posts · 597 votes
    6y



     Totally agree on this. I've been wondering if forcing landlords to provide a service without remuneration is even constitutional. The government is effectively commandeering your assets for what it's classifying as a wartime use. Can that be done without any remuneration? For a lot of landlords, virtually all of their wealth and resource is in their properties. What other business would ever be forced to continue to provide services with no remuneration?

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y

    @Heather Frusco  now that you started a very dynamic thread.

    lets look at it like most real estate business's

    they are for PROFIT and or for LOSS..

    When we build new homes we hope to make a profit but sometimes we dont.. market conditions changed on us or whatever its incumbent upon ourselves as investor builders/developers to plan for these types of outcomes that are not ideal. Government changes regs on us all the time.. and there is nothing we can do.. and on top of that no one is offering to bail us out.. WE should have planned for this..  Seems to me the mortgage industry is stepping up to help landlords.. as developers we never would get this help.. it would have to be negotiated with our commercial bank ( which i have done on numerous occasions throughout the decades ).

    This is why debt on real estate can be a dual edge sword.. and beleive me there are plenty of landlords that own property free and clear. 

    I think coming out of this event landlords are really going to take a harder look at how they set up their for profit or loss business.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Robert M. 

    I don't believe the Restaurant analogy is correctly aligned with what we are facing as landlords.  A tighter analogy would be if there were a law passed stating that someone could ask for food and get it for free, or at a discount of whatever they felt like paying, and the restaurant owner would be forced to give out that food.  Then if they were no longer able to pay their bills and close down they could be berated by someone like you for not being properly prepared for the situation.  



     Totally agree on this. I've been wondering if forcing landlords to provide a service without remuneration is even constitutional. The government is effectively commandeering your assets for what it's classifying as a wartime use. Can that be done without any remuneration? For a lot of landlords, virtually all of their wealth and resource is in their properties. What other business would ever be forced to continue to provide services with no remuneration?

    Jeff think of Tesla forced to close down their factory and then they jumped into making ventilators I doubt they can pay the bills even if they charge for the ventilarators.. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2018 · 269 posts · 597 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Robert M. 

    I don't believe the Restaurant analogy is correctly aligned with what we are facing as landlords.  A tighter analogy would be if there were a law passed stating that someone could ask for food and get it for free, or at a discount of whatever they felt like paying, and the restaurant owner would be forced to give out that food.  Then if they were no longer able to pay their bills and close down they could be berated by someone like you for not being properly prepared for the situation.  



     Totally agree on this. I've been wondering if forcing landlords to provide a service without remuneration is even constitutional. The government is effectively commandeering your assets for what it's classifying as a wartime use. Can that be done without any remuneration? For a lot of landlords, virtually all of their wealth and resource is in their properties. What other business would ever be forced to continue to provide services with no remuneration?

    Jeff think of Tesla forced to close down their factory and then they jumped into making ventilators I doubt they can pay the bills even if they charge for the generators.. 

    Think of Tesla being forced to stay open and produce cars, just not charge anything for them.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Robert M. 

    I don't believe the Restaurant analogy is correctly aligned with what we are facing as landlords.  A tighter analogy would be if there were a law passed stating that someone could ask for food and get it for free, or at a discount of whatever they felt like paying, and the restaurant owner would be forced to give out that food.  Then if they were no longer able to pay their bills and close down they could be berated by someone like you for not being properly prepared for the situation.  



     Totally agree on this. I've been wondering if forcing landlords to provide a service without remuneration is even constitutional. The government is effectively commandeering your assets for what it's classifying as a wartime use. Can that be done without any remuneration? For a lot of landlords, virtually all of their wealth and resource is in their properties. What other business would ever be forced to continue to provide services with no remuneration?

    Jeff think of Tesla forced to close down their factory and then they jumped into making ventilators I doubt they can pay the bills even if they charge for the generators.. 

    Think of Tesla being forced to stay open and produce cars, just not charge anything for them.

    I get it..  wild times

  • Member since 2018 · 23 posts · 58 votes
    6y

    @Account Closed I don't think anyone is a villain, this sucks for most people in America. As I mentioned in a prior response in a national crisis like this I don't think there are heroes and villains, conversely I would hope for solidarity, that those that are facing financial stability help those with acute financial instability, even it it means assets perform poorly in the short term. I originally weighed in on this thread because it seemed to advocate for valuing the short term performance of real estate assets over people's housing security in the midst of a global pandemic and extreme economic uncertainty. I am also perplexed that property owners seem to be given the benefit of the doubt as far as preparedness goes yet workers in apparently every other sector are not. Make no mistake many full time real estate investors are facing the prospect of losing their income just the same as the bartender down the street, yet no one on this thread is accusing them of irresponsible financial decisions. 

    If a landlord is facing immediate financial disaster because of loss of rental income I feel sympathy just as I would for the tenant that can't pay their rent. But I don't agree with business as usual regarding evictions and rent mitigation in these current times. 

  • Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    "If you say so John. Silly us for giving tenants the option to make ends meet by allowing them to pay with a credit card and absorbing the processing fees. "

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    And if they refuse, Heather, you call them thieves. Now stop singing and dancing and evading the question. Are you going to boycott Cheesecake Factory for being a den of thieves? If not, why not? Its CEO made a deliberate decision to not pay rent.


  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Robert M. 

    I don't believe the Restaurant analogy is correctly aligned with what we are facing as landlords.  A tighter analogy would be if there were a law passed stating that someone could ask for food and get it for free, or at a discount of whatever they felt like paying, and the restaurant owner would be forced to give out that food.  Then if they were no longer able to pay their bills and close down they could be berated by someone like you for not being properly prepared for the situation.  



     Totally agree on this. I've been wondering if forcing landlords to provide a service without remuneration is even constitutional. The government is effectively commandeering your assets for what it's classifying as a wartime use. Can that be done without any remuneration? For a lot of landlords, virtually all of their wealth and resource is in their properties. What other business would ever be forced to continue to provide services with no remuneration?

    Jeff think of Tesla forced to close down their factory and then they jumped into making ventilators I doubt they can pay the bills even if they charge for the generators.. 

    Think of Tesla being forced to stay open and produce cars, just not charge anything for them.

    as it relates to real estate I look it also like some of the developments I have worked on spent hundred thousand plus

    get in front of the planning commission and they cut down the number of units based on public input or pressure and now the project is not financially feasible and we have to walk away.. WE lost the money nothing we can do.. govmit took our density .. 

  • Investor · Union, NJ · Member since 2020 · 81 posts · 312 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Robert M.:

    @Heather Frusco It is obviously your prerogative to means test your tenants to determine if they need help. However you initially began this thread to discuss rent/evictions in the context of covid 19 yet you seem to be approaching it from a largely business as usual perspective. The Senate just unanimously passed a relief package to give straight cash payments to a giant swath of Americans. This is a crisis that will probably end up without parallel in our lifetimes and in my opinion we ALL need help. This shouldn't be landlord vs tenants or relief to only the most downtrodden. My only concern with your initial post is it is encouraging landlords on this website to turn towards free market ideals in a time that desperately needs communal effort to help everyone. For some reason in America communal solidarity is avoided at all costs. If a landlord truly needs a monthly rent payment immediately to stay afloat I would hope someone would help them whether it be a wealthy friend, family member or the government. If a landlord is in a position to take a hit to their bottom line for a few months to help someone else, I hope they would do everything they can to help them too.

    This whole argument is also assuming that there is a pool of renters waiting to take evictees place, which I am not so sure about, so we it might be a moot point anyway. 

    Robert, I follow your level headed approach. Let's just for arguments sake say... that a LL is not able to afford to keep a Tenant in the unit because the same LL 'floated' the Tenant for a few month's using up reserves. Maintenance comes due, the furnace just gave out and the Tenant obviously needs heat/cooling... you mention that  "If a landlord truly needs a monthly rent payment immediately to stay afloat I would hope someone would help them whether it be a wealthy friend, family member or the government.' -- Wouldn't the same apply if a tenant needed help making their payment or is that an option only available to LL's?... but, let just for arguments sake keep going with your open-ended recommendation... the LL cant afford it (could have if they didn't use up reserves), the Tenant cant afford it... who exactly should they turn to for assistance, can they both turn to you for it?

  • Investor · Union, NJ · Member since 2020 · 81 posts · 312 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @John Clark:

    "If you say so John. Silly us for giving tenants the option to make ends meet by allowing them to pay with a credit card and absorbing the processing fees. "

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    And if they refuse, Heather, you call them thieves. Now stop singing and dancing and evading the question. Are you going to boycott Cheesecake Factory for being a den of thieves? If not, why not? Its CEO made a deliberate decision to not pay rent.

    John, don't really know what you're talking about... but there is no Cheesecake Factory where I am... way overrated. And again, CC is an option that Tenants fortunate enough have available during an emergency or you can certainly try to seek financial assistance from the govt. or you can seek a personal loan or you can ask family and friends for assistance or you can downsize all together. Hope that helps. 

  • Member since 2018 · 23 posts · 58 votes
    6y

    @Heather Frusco I'm not sure I understand the last part. Did you mean the LL and the tenant *can't* afford it? Regardless the federal government is sending cash payments to most Americans so in the absence of a loan or gift from a private acquaintance the government is stepping in for the average American. I cannot predict how long this will last and certainly don't claim to have all the answers but hypothetically if a loved one or friend of mine needed help with rent or to cover their costs of their rental property in this current situation yes I would help them. I have very finite resources so I can't fly around neighborhoods dropping cash on people but from a broader perspective I think that collective solidarity is a better path forward here than business as usual. I understand I probably come across a bit utopian but I truly believe these are unprecedented times and we should avoid the impulse to turn inward. 

  • Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    "John, don't really know what you're talking about..."

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    Sure you do Heather, you said tenants who didn't pay rent are thieves in your original post. I pointed out that Cheesecake Factory has made a deliberate decision to not pay rent. So per you, it's a den of thieves. Are you going to boycott it? Are you going to label it a den of thieves? Stop getting the vapors and answer the questions.

  • Waco, TX · Member since 2018 · 30 posts · 14 votes
    6y

    All good points Heather, though obviously there is a human aspect that must be considered as well. I particularly like @Scott Mac's information about the savings that most renters have on hand. 

  • Investor · Northern MN & WI · Member since 2020 · 55 posts · 64 votes
    6y

    @Jeff Cagle I am also glad you’re not a landlord. We really don’t need any more jerks in this business. I am so surprised and disappointed that this generation of investors has not the character nor the courage to endure this crisis with some dignity. There is nothing but a bunch of complaints about something that hasn’t even happened yet. If all you have is a hammer, all you see is nails. This is a problem sure, but it is also an opportunity to be something better than you were yesterday.

  • Investor · Union, NJ · Member since 2020 · 81 posts · 312 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @John Clark:

    "John, don't really know what you're talking about..."

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    Sure you do Heather, you said tenants who didn't pay rent are thieves in your original post. I pointed out that Cheesecake Factory has made a deliberate decision to not pay rent. So per you, it's a den of thieves. Are you going to boycott it? Are you going to label it a den of thieves? Stop getting the vapors and answer the questions.

    John, I think you may have your posts confused... never said that... please review your posts. 

  • Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 89 votes
    6y

    @Robert M. I've read a good bit of the 3 blogs on this and I've seen the "irresponsible" term tossed quite often at landlords who were over-leveraged or just short on reserves.  Look, all that aside I buy most of your argument personally but I don't feel it's my right to toss my judgement on others.  I don't know where most of you are at in this whole cycle and can't begin to understand individual motives.  

  • Real Estate Broker · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2018 · 269 posts · 597 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Jeff Cagle I am also glad you’re not a landlord. We really don’t need any more jerks in this business. I am so surprised and disappointed that this generation of investors has not the character nor the courage to endure this crisis with some dignity. There is nothing but a bunch of complaints about something that hasn’t even happened yet. If all you have is a hammer, all you see is nails. This is a problem sure, but it is also an opportunity to be something better than you were yesterday.

    Anyone who thinks that they're simply due someone else's resources is a jerk of the highest order. Hey, remember that time a landlord was having a tough time financially, so all the tenants in the building banded together and paid extra rent to keep them afloat? Yeah, me neither. "Sharing the burden" works in only one direction. I pay an obscene amount in taxes annually, which the government is liberally doling out. There's my contribution. I'm relatively certain that I'm handling a greater share of this burden than you are. You're welcome.

  • Investor · Union, NJ · Member since 2020 · 81 posts · 312 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Robert M.:

    @Heather Frusco I'm not sure I understand the last part. Did you mean the LL and the tenant *can't* afford it? Regardless the federal government is sending cash payments to most Americans so in the absence of a loan or gift from a private acquaintance the government is stepping in for the average American. I cannot predict how long this will last and certainly don't claim to have all the answers but hypothetically if a loved one or friend of mine needed help with rent or to cover their costs of their rental property in this current situation yes I would help them. I have very finite resources so I can't fly around neighborhoods dropping cash on people but from a broader perspective I think that collective solidarity is a better path forward here than business as usual. I understand I probably come across a bit utopian but I truly believe these are unprecedented times and we should avoid the impulse to turn inward. 

    Robert, I'm sorry I think you read it before I edited it... no for sure... agreed. Everyone has finite resources, it is just wrong to assume that LL's have endless resources or that their resources are a 'free for all'... we help who we can, when we can... and who we help is completely ours to determine. I think some just believe that LL's should help out no matter as a blanket statement and believe that they have a right to the LL's resources, if any. A business any business which offers their customers (tenants) options to make their payment IS trying to help in as much as they can... heck it may not be as much as some may like... but that's akin to receiving a gift, being ungrateful for it and saying there should be more - failing to realize that no one had to give you a gift in the first place. Same applies here, most LL's are offering payment options, repayment options, waiving fees, etc... but there are still those which want 'more' they would like 'free' - just not possible.   

  • Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y
    No confusion, Heather. Here's a cut and past from your original post:  "1 - Tenants should also have saved 'reserves' in place - so if they are already missing their rent payment come April just a few weeks into this, they are selectively deciding not to pay for their shelter in hopes of rent forgiveness - which is no different than shoplifting or any other use of a service with the knowing intention not to pay - no one to blame but one person"


    You called them thieves -- shoplifting is theft. So quit evading and singing and dancing -- Do you agree that the Cheesecake Factory company is a den of thieves? Will you boycott it and encourage others to do so?
  • Member since 2020 · 16 posts · 43 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @David King:
    Mary the state school taxes can't be paid late. The state will evict and take my houses. I have to collect over $400 per month to cover a $5,000 school tax on each of 10 properties. That's around $50,000. I am retired so this income is all I have. Please explain how your math works for me? Please don't tell me about how the tenants are going to come to my rescue when they get their jobs back I have way more experience than that. My houses are paid off. I have tried to refinance and they say I don't make enough to pay a mortgage. If you're going to tell me about a fairy tale organization that is going to come to my rescue please post their phone number so I can call them. My wife and I will be out of money if the rent doesn't come in.

    Originally posted by @Mary M.:

    @Greg M. you left off utilities, mortgage companies, credit cards, banks.....etc.... and all of those are allowing payments to be delayed or added to the back of the amortization... utilities etc take amount owed and split it up over x months.....

    Your in great shape more landlords should be like you..  your solution is to just liquidate .. sell one to weather the storm.. or sell them all go to cash.. which should be significant redeploy into assets that pay you monthly. problem solved.. if you have a lot of appreciation and a tax burden you could 1031 into a different asset class ?  But to think your in dire straights when your portfolio is paid for.. not sure about that. I just congratulate you on having it paid for and being in great shape.

  • Investor · Union, NJ · Member since 2020 · 81 posts · 312 votes
    6y

    @John Clark again, no idea what your obsession with Cheesecake factory is about or what you are referring to, you just seem really disgruntled and one-sided. Is shoplifting or the continued use of services without the intention to pay not theft? -- if you don't agree, then what would you call it? If you're continuing to occupy a unit with the knowing intention to never pay for your occupancy what would you call that? I hope that's straight forward enough John and can't wait to hear the reply. 

  • Member since 2018 · 23 posts · 58 votes
    6y

    @Heather Frusco I think we are in agreement for the most part. You are describing procedures that are sound business practices in a typical environment to which I have no arguments. But these are extraordinary times. We are in the midst of a global pandemic and economic meltdown. There is a moratorium on evictions in many states and cities. The federal government is sending cash payments to a majority of Americans. This would have been unthinkable a few weeks ago. These are abnormal times that warrant a change in perspective from everyone for us to get through it. It is certainly possible that landlords will bear a larger share of the sacrifice than renters, but maybe not. That is more of a political discussion I'd like to avoid :)

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