420 Friendly Vacation Rentals
Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes420 Friendly Vacation Rentals
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Contractor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
3yMarketing your home as '420 friendly' would do more harm than good.
Somebody who is visiting an area where recreational cannabis use is legal is going to use cannabis in your rental whether you advertise it that way or not.
But by putting that language in the description, you are going to "scare away" some tenants who aren't interested in partaking, or who still associate the medicine with a negative connotation.
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- 3yLuke CarlPro MemberRental Property Investor · Tennessee Florida · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 5k+ votes
Folks are welcome to partake responsibly in my homes
- Rental Property Investor · Ocean Springs, MS · Member since 2022 · 349 posts · 301 votes3y
I would worry that mentioning 420 in the ad would turn away your average STR client unless you have a really unique space that brings a unique guest. If someone were to ask me if they could, I would be receptive as I already have the Ozone Generator.
My partner would be 100% down for staying in a 420 friendly STR. I generally ask if outside smoking is ok if it isn't specifically mentioned in the ad and leave it at that.
- Contractor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes3y
Marketing your home as '420 friendly' would do more harm than good.
Somebody who is visiting an area where recreational cannabis use is legal is going to use cannabis in your rental whether you advertise it that way or not.
But by putting that language in the description, you are going to "scare away" some tenants who aren't interested in partaking, or who still associate the medicine with a negative connotation.
- 3yAlan AsriantsBusiness MemberReal Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
as long as you keep it outside, I don't see why owners would have a problem with it
Alan Asriants - New Century Real Estate 590 Reviews - 3ySarah KensingerPro MemberReal Estate Consultant · OH · Member since 2023 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
It would definitely make people think twice about bring children to your home, especially after the death of a toddler at a STR in FL. But maybe you're not marketing to families?
Also, you didn't mention where a possible "420 friendly" STR would be, but I'm guessing you are aware that Ohio state law make recreational use illegal.
- Investor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2017 · 304 posts · 347 votes3y
@Michael K Gallagher hi there. Interesting question. Especially on today's date 4-20-23;) I'm in Colorado where recreational cannabis is legal. I would talk to an attorney about this as you wouldn't want to provide something (papers, etc) that contributes to say, a fire, in your STR. And from a marketing perspective, you wouldn't want to limit yourself either.
What I've seen and look for is "outside smoking ok" or "420 friendly" - or the equivalent and leave it at that as @Joel Case said.
- Rental Property Investor · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes3y
I hate to be that guy but pot is not officially legal anywhere in the US. Sure states can enact laws that say different and choose not to prosecute but federal law trumps state and just in case the winds turn I wouldn’t want my business to actively be promoting it. While I may not agree with the current legal status and think we should just leave people alone and focus on bigger societal issues the laws are what they are.
- Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes3y
Quote from @Michael K Gallagher:
In the spirit of the Holiday today I've always been curious if there are any operators of short term or vacation rentals that are specifically or intentionally serving the 420 community? Obviously there are many states with vacation destinations that have also passed cannabis legalization, interested to hear if anyone is marketing themselves as a "420 friendly" rental? In my mind there would be an interesting niche here especially if the host provided essentials like glob mops, iso, trays, papers, etc.
Probably not. Weed today is a far cry from weed in the 70's. Much more potent and people tend to mix fentanyl in it. And people lose track of their stuff, it falls on the floor, gets left in the carpet, and takes only two grains to kill. You would not even know it had been mixed in because it is so tiny. Weed from the 70'd maybe, weed from today, not on anyone's life.
Why is fentanyl so dangerous?https://www.drugs.com/medical-...
- In 2020, there were 56,000 overdose deaths due to synthetic opioids like fentanyl. These deaths rose by over 56% compared to 2019 and accounted for more than 82% of all opioid deaths.
- Adulterated drugs bought on the streets or online are often laced with fentanyl leading to overdose deaths. Because of its potency and low cost, drug dealers have been mixing fentanyl with other drugs including heroin, methamphetamine, counterfeit pills, cocaine, or crack, increasing the likelihood of a fatal interaction.
Enora Lavenir died Aug. 7, 2021, one day after her family checked into an Airbnb rental
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u... - 3yMichael DiossaPro MemberInvestor · RI · Member since 2023 · 191 posts · 163 votes
Depends on Location.
Putting something that informs non-smokers that they can expect a comfortable environment free from the smell of smoke would be ideal, and it could potentially increase the number of customers who choose to frequent the establishment.
- 3yRyan MoyerBusiness MemberProperty Manager · Orlando Kissimmee Davenport Salt Lake City, Park City · Member since 2019 · 991 posts · 1k+ votes
I think there is a difference between merely "420 is okay" and what the OP is describing here. Sounds like OP is wanting to go all-in with it, basically theme the whole place out with it (and provide exotic supplies) akin to the way some people do with Airbnb sex dungeons, where essentially the idea is people are seeking it out explicitly and you're ONLY catering to that crowd. You're okay with families never staying there because you're planning on staying pretty booked with your specific guest avatar.
I suppose it could be worth a try, but I would think the main barrier would just be the avatar of renter you would need. Without any intent to offend, as I've indulged plenty of times, the avatar of guest that would want an over the top in their face 420 themed place is less likely to be a wealthy crew. That's not to say there aren't plenty of well to do people that enjoy partaking, but rather that they're less likely to want an over the top in your face place with it.
So for instance, a Colorado ski town where lots of college or just out of college aged kids like to go on ski trips something like this could definitely appeal to them, and there would be LOTS of that type of traveler. But the problem is that kind of group is usually a very budget conscious group as well. So even if you can keep occupancy high the ceiling on nightly rate may be limited in a 2-season market with very high home prices.
Cosmic Vacations4.9174 Reviews - Rental Property Investor · Ocean Springs, MS · Member since 2022 · 349 posts · 301 votes3y
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Michael K Gallagher:
In the spirit of the Holiday today I've always been curious if there are any operators of short term or vacation rentals that are specifically or intentionally serving the 420 community? Obviously there are many states with vacation destinations that have also passed cannabis legalization, interested to hear if anyone is marketing themselves as a "420 friendly" rental? In my mind there would be an interesting niche here especially if the host provided essentials like glob mops, iso, trays, papers, etc.
Probably not. Weed today is a far cry from weed in the 70's. Much more potent and people tend to mix fentanyl in it. And people lose track of their stuff, it falls on the floor, gets left in the carpet, and takes only two grains to kill. You would not even know it had been mixed in because it is so tiny. Weed from the 70'd maybe, weed from today, not on anyone's life.
Why is fentanyl so dangerous?https://www.drugs.com/medical-...
- In 2020, there were 56,000 overdose deaths due to synthetic opioids like fentanyl. These deaths rose by over 56% compared to 2019 and accounted for more than 82% of all opioid deaths.
- Adulterated drugs bought on the streets or online are often laced with fentanyl leading to overdose deaths. Because of its potency and low cost, drug dealers have been mixing fentanyl with other drugs including heroin, methamphetamine, counterfeit pills, cocaine, or crack, increasing the likelihood of a fatal interaction.
Enora Lavenir died Aug. 7, 2021, one day after her family checked into an Airbnb rental
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...People tend to mix fentanyl into cannabis? Where did you get this information?
- Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes3y
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Michael K Gallagher:
In the spirit of the Holiday today I've always been curious if there are any operators of short term or vacation rentals that are specifically or intentionally serving the 420 community? Obviously there are many states with vacation destinations that have also passed cannabis legalization, interested to hear if anyone is marketing themselves as a "420 friendly" rental? In my mind there would be an interesting niche here especially if the host provided essentials like glob mops, iso, trays, papers, etc.
Probably not. Weed today is a far cry from weed in the 70's. Much more potent and people tend to mix fentanyl in it. And people lose track of their stuff, it falls on the floor, gets left in the carpet, and takes only two grains to kill. You would not even know it had been mixed in because it is so tiny. Weed from the 70'd maybe, weed from today, not on anyone's life.
Why is fentanyl so dangerous?https://www.drugs.com/medical-...
- In 2020, there were 56,000 overdose deaths due to synthetic opioids like fentanyl. These deaths rose by over 56% compared to 2019 and accounted for more than 82% of all opioid deaths.
- Adulterated drugs bought on the streets or online are often laced with fentanyl leading to overdose deaths. Because of its potency and low cost, drug dealers have been mixing fentanyl with other drugs including heroin, methamphetamine, counterfeit pills, cocaine, or crack, increasing the likelihood of a fatal interaction.
Enora Lavenir died Aug. 7, 2021, one day after her family checked into an Airbnb rental
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...People tend to mix fentanyl into cannabis? Where did you get this information?
From the recovering drug dealer I tried to help, when I hired him to work on my fix & flip. Very nice guy, talented, but got hooked. I had to fire him when he relapsed. His associate who also worked for me, a recovering drug user and former customer of his, who is now clean, spotted the merchandise & complained to me and wouldn't work if he stayed on the job. In the aftermath of the cleanup we found his little stashes. He confessed, apologized and said you only need a couple of grains in a joint and off you go.
https://www.addictions.com/blo...Fentanyl, a powerful opioid, is 50 to 100 times stronger than morphine. Just 2 milligrams of the substance can be lethal. When other, less-potent drugs are laced with it, they become deadly, too.
Since July, Connecticut has seen nearly 40 drug overdoses across the state that officials believe are linked to marijuana laced with fentanyl. In Plymouth, the police department tested a sample of marijuana they collected at an overdose scene, and found that it contained fentanyl.
Officials have also identified fentanyl-laced cannabis in New York. And in Michigan, eight suspected cases of marijuana laced with fentanyl, occurring between June and November 2021, have been identified.Madeline Hilliard, an ambulance driver and CEO of Trojan Awareness Combatting Overdose (TACO) in Los Angeles, reports she has seen evidence of contaminated marijuana in the field.
Fentanyl-Laced Marijuana On the RiseMay 12, 2022
In the case of fentanyl, an amount the size of a couple grains of sand can be enough to cause an overdose.
Nearly 800 pounds of fentanyl worth $21.1 million found in shipment of green beans
https://www.claudiablackcenter...Fentanyl is the leading cause of death for Americans under the age of 40. It's a dangerous synthetic opioid that is more than 50 times more potent than heroin,
CT Lab Confirms Marijuana Laced With Fentanyl is a New Public Safety Threat By Shannon Miller • Published November 22, 2021 • Updated on November 22, 2021 at 7:01 pmhttps://www.nbcconnecticut.com...
What is fentanyl?
https://nida.nih.gov/publicati...
The illegally used fentanyl most often associated with recent overdoses is made in labs. This synthetic fentanyl is sold illegally as a powder, dropped onto blotter paper, put in eye droppers and nasal sprays, or made into pills that look like other prescription opioids.
Some drug dealers are mixing fentanyl with other drugs, such as heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, and MDMA. This is because it takes very little to produce a high with fentanyl, making it a cheaper option. This is especially risky when people taking drugs don’t realize they might contain fentanyl as a cheap but dangerous additive.
- 3yJohn UnderwoodPro MemberInvestor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
Advertise you have a drug friendly house. No.
I do not want people smoking cigarettes in my houses, much less anything else.
- Rental Property Investor · Ocean Springs, MS · Member since 2022 · 349 posts · 301 votes3y
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Michael K Gallagher:
In the spirit of the Holiday today I've always been curious if there are any operators of short term or vacation rentals that are specifically or intentionally serving the 420 community? Obviously there are many states with vacation destinations that have also passed cannabis legalization, interested to hear if anyone is marketing themselves as a "420 friendly" rental? In my mind there would be an interesting niche here especially if the host provided essentials like glob mops, iso, trays, papers, etc.
Probably not. Weed today is a far cry from weed in the 70's. Much more potent and people tend to mix fentanyl in it. And people lose track of their stuff, it falls on the floor, gets left in the carpet, and takes only two grains to kill. You would not even know it had been mixed in because it is so tiny. Weed from the 70'd maybe, weed from today, not on anyone's life.
Why is fentanyl so dangerous?https://www.drugs.com/medical-...
- In 2020, there were 56,000 overdose deaths due to synthetic opioids like fentanyl. These deaths rose by over 56% compared to 2019 and accounted for more than 82% of all opioid deaths.
- Adulterated drugs bought on the streets or online are often laced with fentanyl leading to overdose deaths. Because of its potency and low cost, drug dealers have been mixing fentanyl with other drugs including heroin, methamphetamine, counterfeit pills, cocaine, or crack, increasing the likelihood of a fatal interaction.
Enora Lavenir died Aug. 7, 2021, one day after her family checked into an Airbnb rental
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...People tend to mix fentanyl into cannabis? Where did you get this information?
From the recovering drug dealer I tried to help, when I hired him to work on my fix & flip. Very nice guy, talented, but got hooked. I had to fire him when he relapsed. His associate who also worked for me, a recovering drug user and former customer of his, who is now clean, spotted the merchandise & complained to me and wouldn't work if he stayed on the job. In the aftermath of the cleanup we found his little stashes. He confessed, apologized and said you only need a couple of grains in a joint and off you go.
https://www.addictions.com/blo...Fentanyl, a powerful opioid, is 50 to 100 times stronger than morphine. Just 2 milligrams of the substance can be lethal. When other, less-potent drugs are laced with it, they become deadly, too.
Since July, Connecticut has seen nearly 40 drug overdoses across the state that officials believe are linked to marijuana laced with fentanyl. In Plymouth, the police department tested a sample of marijuana they collected at an overdose scene, and found that it contained fentanyl.
Officials have also identified fentanyl-laced cannabis in New York. And in Michigan, eight suspected cases of marijuana laced with fentanyl, occurring between June and November 2021, have been identified.Madeline Hilliard, an ambulance driver and CEO of Trojan Awareness Combatting Overdose (TACO) in Los Angeles, reports she has seen evidence of contaminated marijuana in the field.
Fentanyl-Laced Marijuana On the RiseMay 12, 2022
In the case of fentanyl, an amount the size of a couple grains of sand can be enough to cause an overdose.
Nearly 800 pounds of fentanyl worth $21.1 million found in shipment of green beans
https://www.claudiablackcenter...Fentanyl is the leading cause of death for Americans under the age of 40. It's a dangerous synthetic opioid that is more than 50 times more potent than heroin,
CT Lab Confirms Marijuana Laced With Fentanyl is a New Public Safety Threat By Shannon Miller • Published November 22, 2021 • Updated on November 22, 2021 at 7:01 pmhttps://www.nbcconnecticut.com...
What is fentanyl?
https://nida.nih.gov/publicati...
The illegally used fentanyl most often associated with recent overdoses is made in labs. This synthetic fentanyl is sold illegally as a powder, dropped onto blotter paper, put in eye droppers and nasal sprays, or made into pills that look like other prescription opioids.
Some drug dealers are mixing fentanyl with other drugs, such as heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, and MDMA. This is because it takes very little to produce a high with fentanyl, making it a cheaper option. This is especially risky when people taking drugs don’t realize they might contain fentanyl as a cheap but dangerous additive.
The Connecticut report was not factual, they only found one case of fentanyl laced cannabis: https://www.nbcconnecticut.com...
Your own link to the New York page shows that it's likely fear mongering. There have been few cases of actual cannabis tested and found to have been laced with fentanyl. It's the normal cannabis fear mongering we have heard for ages. At least 18% of Americans are believed to use cannabis, around 50 million people. Compare that to the number of actual verified cases of cannabis being laced with fentanyl and you are looking at a miniscule amount, approximately one in a million if the information you posted was actually true, which it isn't. 1 in 1,000,000 with fake numbers, 1:50,000,000 with real numbers. That's instances per user, now consider that the average user partakes in cannabis multiple times a week and your numbers shrink even more. The one instance in Connecticut is the only verified case of lab testing confirming fentanyl in cannabis. Don't spread fake news and hearsay.
- Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes3y
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ealers are mixing fentanyl with other drugs, such as heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, and MDMA. This is because it takes very little to produce a high with fentanyl, making it a cheaper option. This is especially risky when people taking drugs don’t realize they might contain fentanyl as a cheap but dangerous additive.
We've seen too many death in san francisco, people is selling all your mentioned above in the front of city's building.
Obviously opening my home to stranger (that's crazy enough from 1999 perspective) and opening them to smoke (anything), then anything can happen, all that just for few dollars more.
I used to have airbnb renter that smokes weed and he used to smoke it inside, he just doesn't care, it is emotionally tiring for landlord to tell not to smoke instead - the next day he brings his five friend smking outside and I got neighbor calling me LOL the subsequent drama is not worth it. - 3yMichael BaumPro MemberOlympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
Nope, like @John Underwood, I don't want anyone smoking anywhere on my property let alone weed.
Regarding fentanyl laced cannabis, fentanyl is very water soluble so it would be very easy to lace smoking weed let alone edibles. There isn't a lot of evidence that weed has been laced with fentanyl but there is a long history of it with other drugs.
IE - Cocaine, PCP, ketamine, formaldehyde, heroin, LSD, meth, and others. That kind of thing has been going on for a long time.
Our house is in Idaho and it is illegal there.
- 3yJimmy LieuBusiness MemberReal Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
Quote from @Michael K Gallagher:
In the spirit of the Holiday today I've always been curious if there are any operators of short term or vacation rentals that are specifically or intentionally serving the 420 community? Obviously there are many states with vacation destinations that have also passed cannabis legalization, interested to hear if anyone is marketing themselves as a "420 friendly" rental? In my mind there would be an interesting niche here especially if the host provided essentials like glob mops, iso, trays, papers, etc.
Hey Michael, I've worked personally with a lot of STR clients and have to say - I personally wouldn't mention 420 friendly but if they wanted to do it outside of the house, it should be no issue. I feel like advertising it as 420 would narrow your target audience by quite a bit and I don't know if personally that's the audience you're going for.
Jimmy Lieu, Red 1 Realty4.9120 Reviews - Rental Property Investor · Chula Vista, Ca. · Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 27 votes3y
Sorry Michael. I think this thread shows that this can be a hot button issue to many folks. While being a fun thought experiment, I agree that you could really limit your customer base. Given your initial question, enjoy your day!
- 3ySally FairchildPro MemberInvestor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2016 · 106 posts · 84 votes
@Michael K Gallagher
Nope but I'd be very interested if my host was marketing to the 420 crowd so I could stay away.
- 3yAndrew SteffensBusiness MemberTampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
I agree with most here - to market to that segment is very niche, and will turn off people who are not enthusiasts.
Vacation Rentals of Florida53 Reviews - Troy, MI · Member since 2019 · 61 posts · 20 votes3y
@Joel Case. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/ct-lab-confirms-marijuana-laced-with-fentanyl-is-a-new-public-safety-threat/2658007/
- Rental Property Investor · Ocean Springs, MS · Member since 2022 · 349 posts · 301 votes3y
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@Joel Case. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/ct-lab-confirms-marijuana-laced-with-fentanyl-is-a-new-public-safety-threat/2658007/
Same type of article linked above with another article showing that only one confirmed case of lab testing cannabis laced with fentanyl. You can't debate if you won't read, but even if it were true it's a one in a million occurrence. Definitely not a norm or a tendency. - Investor · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 754 votes3y
I think most of the time it happens and we don’t even know it does
- Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes3y
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Steve Ehrman:
@Joel Case. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/ct-lab-confirms-marijuana-laced-with-fentanyl-is-a-new-public-safety-threat/2658007/
Same type of article linked above with another article showing that only one confirmed case of lab testing cannabis laced with fentanyl. You can't debate if you won't read, but even if it were true it's a one in a million occurrence. Definitely not a norm or a tendency.Okay then, I'll tell the recovering drug dealer I tried to help, that he is wrong and that he wasn't really smoking weed with fentanyl in it . . . when he gets back out of jail for weed and fentanyl possession and distribution.
- Rental Property Investor · Ocean Springs, MS · Member since 2022 · 349 posts · 301 votes3y
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Steve Ehrman:
@Joel Case. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/ct-lab-confirms-marijuana-laced-with-fentanyl-is-a-new-public-safety-threat/2658007/
Same type of article linked above with another article showing that only one confirmed case of lab testing cannabis laced with fentanyl. You can't debate if you won't read, but even if it were true it's a one in a million occurrence. Definitely not a norm or a tendency.Okay then, I'll tell the recovering drug dealer I tried to help, that he is wrong and that he wasn't really smoking weed with fentanyl in it . . . when he gets back out of jail for weed and fentanyl possession and distribution.
Ok, we will add him to your numbers but it still would make it 1 in 1,000,000 AT BEST.
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