tl;dr — Do DSCR loans always include LTR rental comps for underwriting even when the target property is an STR in a predominantly STR market?
Context: I'm in the late stages of buying my first rental — a beach property as a STR. We are using a DSCR and closing in just over a week. The lender just came back and said the STR comps are really good but the LTR comps from our appraisal are very low. Because of the LTR comps, they won't give us the rate or terms we locked. Their investors either want 65% LTV (instead of 75%) or a .75% increase in the interest rate.
We are buying in a STR market, and there are no LTRs available except in the off season. The LTR comps they pulled really aren't comparable—they included a 3 bed/2 bath even though ours is a 5 bed/4.5 bath, comps are much less sqft, and much older (16-18yo vs 1yo).
I would appreciate anyone with DSCR for STR experience sharing your perspective! (Also rates are 8.125% increased to 8.875% — any thoughts on those?)
Comps must be closed with a loan in last three months with similar square footage, similar view, similar amenities such as pool/jacuzzi that are permanent/square footage, should be in last three months - a year old means there are no recent comps. Valuation is a residential one.
Personal property not included (no furniture/hot tub/ toys)
Rental survey the 1007 is long term comps
Your lender should have gone over this before you paid for the appraisal.
Absolutely not! If you are purchasing a short term rental property, I wonder she be utilizing short term rental to calculate the DSCR. They would either do this via AIRDNA or STR comps.
Sounds like you are using a broker or lender who is not well-versed or focused on short term rentals. There are definitely STR purchase programs out there that allow you to go 75LTV. There are also some creative brokers out there that will allow you to use the AMC of your choice! Sounds like this is what you need to save this deal.
@Joe Beutler, No, there are lenders that either use a STR rental comp survey or they will use AirDNA and use the annual revenue if a purchase and take a 20% expense factor. They will not use a long term rent schedule. So if for easy math, the projected annual revenue is $120K on AirDNA, they will use $96K (80% of it) and divide by 12 months for the rent that the the expenses have to be at or under to meet a DSCR calculation of 1. So in this example, the expenses would have to be at $8K or under (96K/12(months)).
Is this a house and what kind of loan product is it- an ARM or 30 years?
There are lenders that do 30 year fixed with 20-25% down for STR with borrowers with previous STR rental experience (20% down for a SFR or 25% down with 2-4 units). If no STR rental experience, looking at more like 70% LTV. Some additional underwriting details regarding the AirDNA grade depending on the lender but those are the LTV details.
Rates depend on when you lock the loan and they've increased a bit from a month ago when I assume you locked the loan.
I work with lenders that do those terms-happy to connect.
tl;dr — Do DSCR loans always include LTR rental comps for underwriting even when the target property is an STR in a predominantly STR market?
Context: I'm in the late stages of buying my first rental — a beach property as a STR. We are using a DSCR and closing in just over a week. The lender just came back and said the STR comps are really good but the LTR comps from our appraisal are very low. Because of the LTR comps, they won't give us the rate or terms we locked. Their investors either want 65% LTV (instead of 75%) or a .75% increase in the interest rate.
We are buying in a STR market, and there are no LTRs available except in the off season. The LTR comps they pulled really aren't comparable—they included a 3 bed/2 bath even though ours is a 5 bed/4.5 bath, comps are much less sqft, and much older (16-18yo vs 1yo).
I would appreciate anyone with DSCR for STR experience sharing your perspective! (Also rates are 8.125% increased to 8.875% — any thoughts on those?)
Hi - you should shop for other DSCR Lenders - this is the behavior of some more traditional or conservative DSCR Lenders that still require qualification based on LTR rents instead of STR. There are DSCR Lenders now that will qualify based on AirDNA projections for properties such as this and/or order a 1007 appraisal with STR rental comps. You are shooting yourself in the foot by trying to finance a STR with a DSCR Loan with a lender like this (anti-STR)
Comps must be closed with a loan in last three months with similar square footage, similar view, similar amenities such as pool/jacuzzi that are permanent/square footage, should be in last three months - a year old means there are no recent comps. Valuation is a residential one.
Personal property not included (no furniture/hot tub/ toys)
Rental survey the 1007 is long term comps
Your lender should have gone over this before you paid for the appraisal.
There are many DSCR Lenders that will lend on STR with AirDNA to qualify and with 1007 comps that are STR-based instead of LTR-based
I really sounds like there just are no recent sales similar to Joe's larger room count house. Tell me the market Joe and I can tell you all the comps available. Appraisal is an opinion and the random appraiser has spoken. Are there comps that are 100 square feet greater to use?
A number of the DSCR "wholesale" / REITS and /the secondary market for this product have tightened up guidelines with the stats, graphs, and news about STR income falling off. We are in a recession and remote work is declining. A few closed shop. There are three that use AirDNA for the rental comps but the interest rates are a point higher. With that increase in rate can the STR rental comps even work?
Joe If you started knowing the lender uses long term rental as the benchmark then day one would have been the time to ask the listing agent for three comps and verify yourself. I'm assuming you are on day 20 something and seller isn't talking extension or price compromise. If you are experienced STR owner and know this larger house will rent better to big parties or extended families then pay more down payment to make the property cash flow. If this house is 40% larger than all the STR in area expect to be the party house and use porcelain tile floors, concrete polished countertops and indestructible appliances.
Go back to the numbers analysis today with the idea of paying for a new appraisal and rate higher. If it works ask for extension and release some money. If it doesn't generously cash flow, cancel today and start fighting for the EMD. Do not wait to think about it.
Yes, this is what my DSCR lender does just in case the economy goes south and you need to turn it back into a LTR.
There are some DSCR Lenders that will not require LTR qualification as a backup plan just FYI!
Yes, but less and less are doing it now just in case the economy ever goes into a recession which history shows happens every 8 years. It’s to protect them for when consumer spending falls off. But yes, there are a few out there that are willing to take that big risk.
Nah- I totally understand why lenders don't care about STR rates. They're volatile, unpredictable and can easily be regulated out of existence.
If it works as an LTR, the bank knows there's a safe, predictable stream of income from that property.
They're concerned about their liability, not yours. It's just part of the game. No different than on conventional loans with LTRs- underwriters don't care what you think the NOI for that property will be, they're concerned with the value of the property next door.
A STR is a business (or trade), not solely a real estate investment. While there may be some Lenders (portfolio, private, etc) that may underwrite with str rates, if they are loaning strictly on the real estate, certain factors should be accounted for (deducted from) in a proper valuation, like personal property which is usually included (furniture, other going concerns, possible intangible assets, etc).
Put another way, most buyers of a str or buying for the "business" potential, not the sole value of the real estate. And most lenders loan on the real estate exclusively. Therefore, they would rely more on ltr rates, not str rates. While it seems some non-traditional lenders will utilize str rates, that does not appear to be the norm.
In some areas, there are many str's and therefore, some of those non-RE values may be incorporated within many comp's sales prices. That may lead to higher comp prices and therefore, higher values than just the RE. That is not the norm though.