Hey Everyone !
First of all I want to say a HUGE thank you to everyone who has posted on the forums here. The wealth of knowledge I've already gained reading through other topics on the site is a total game changer.
My wife and I are looking to purchase our first multi-family property in the North Jersey area (specifically in Montclair or Bloomfield.) Our plan is to purchase a 2 or possibly 3 unit property and live in one of the units. This will allow us to take advantage of an FHA loan and only have to make a 3.5% down payment. As we don't have a TON of money saved for renovations we are also looking at using a 203K loan to bring the units up to a $2K/month market standard for a 2bd/1ba. I know there are a few "hoops" to get through with the 203K but I'm fine with jumping through a few hoops for some cash flow.
My question is this: Supposing a property needs a gut rehab or close to a gut rehab, can we hire a contractor using the 203K to handle most of the bigger jobs (roof, siding, plumbing, electrical, drywall, mechanical) and then pay out of pocket to finish the smaller parts of the rehab ourselves (paint, laminate flooring, etc.) ???
We're experienced DIY'ers when it comes to things like paint, laminate flooring and installing fixtures/appliances and want to put more 203k funds toward things we only feel comfortable with professionals doing.
I apologize for the long post but hopefully you can understand where we're at. Any insights or experience would be helpful.
I actually have the same plan as you with the 203K and I also live in NJ, planning on finding something Linden/Roselle/Union area. So yes, you can use the 203K loan portion of the rehab to bring the house "up to code." Have them do the very basics. But also the bank only approves a 203K loan based on the ARV, so it might still involve some of the DIY work you mentioned in order to get to that ARV. You can go the DIY route for the premium upgrades.
Good question for your lender.
@Riley Moore there are 2 types of 203k loans, the first one is a loan up to 35K$ and the other is a FULL construction loan. I am in the process of utilizing the first one which is the smaller version, which after all the fees, permits and MISC it comes out to 29.5K$ (if you utilize the full amount). Now I too am a DIYer, however, my suggestion is to utilize either loan to take care of the big capital expenditures to have that out of the way for the next 15-30 years such as the roof, HVAC, upgrading electrical panels to separate utilities, etc. That's of coarse if the home calls for repairs as such. The problem is that when you apply for the 203K you must have a contractor bid on the jobs that is going to be financed through the 203K and you cannot do those jobs yourself because the bank will not allow it. But that's not to say you cannot work on the home. You just cannot get money from the loan to finance your DIY project.
I AM NO EXPERT but I am going through this process as I am writing this and my advice and experience so far is that this program is a great stepping stone to begin my journey into my real estate investing, as long as you are patient and organized throughout this process. My obstacle was getting contractor to bid on these types of jobs because they scope of work/estimate has to have the labor and material separate and itemized, which, contractor are not accustomed too. The contractors that do these types of jobs are pushy because they know that there are not to many contractor out there and that are willing to go through 203K process. So be aware of these contractors.
My second advice is to find a loan officer who deals with these types of loans because they can help and guide you through the process and steer you when things get overwhelming or confusing. But organization is the KEY!!
Last thing is to be aware of the UFMIP (up front mortgage insurance premium). That one took me by surprise and I'm sucking it up and taking that into account with the numbers now.
Good luck! any referrals needed just PM and I can send you my contacts.
Chris is correct. You can't add your DYI projects to a 203K loan. The funding is only for what is listed on the contractor's estimate. While you can add permits and even monthly payments while you aren't living there, this does increase the amount of money that you are borrowing and increasing your monthly payment.
As for finding a contractor that is versed in 203K, it is a little difficult since it is different than a regular job that they are doing. They get paid differently and the work gets verified before they get paid. This is done to protect you. There is also only either 10% or 15% contingency built in so the contractor had better cover everything in his estimate. This also falls on you as the buyer since if you went with the cheapest person and he missed some things or didn't calculate accurately, you are stuck. 203K requires a bit of documentation from the contractor including his license and insurance as well as references to jobs that he has completed of similar work.
A 203K loan will finance to 110% ARV which can actually help if your numbers are tight.
A 203K loan is an FHA product which means that it requires both upfront MIP as well as monthly MIP. The UFMIP is 1.75% of the loan amount and is added to the loan. Your monthly MIP is either .80 or .85% depending on your LTV.
An FHA loan allows up to 6% seller concession so you could purchase a property and rehab it for only the 3.5% down payment.
Either way, a 203K loan is an excellent way to begin because there is not much money that comes out of your pocket. This allows you to continually save more money for your next property.
I've done a number of 203K loans and I'm well versed in them. You can always ask me questions about them.
That is super helpful !!!! We've already found a lender and a contractor via our real estate agent who both specialize in the 203k and we feel really comfortable with both of them. Can't say enough how valuable a good agent with good contacts is ! Anyway, it seems like quite a bit of the 203K depends on the ARV. Who sets the ARV and when does that happen ? I'm assuming before closing ? Is there a way to get an idea of the ARV before we even submit an offer ? I should clarify that we do have a couple properties in mind at the moment.
@Max Tanenbaum - you're very right. I think I just like hearing peoples' stories of how they've gone about things. I hadn't heard or read of anyone getting started quite this way. Its good to know I'm not totally off base.
@Tony Nardini so if the contractor estimate is $25K, would the 10-15% contingency be automatically financed into the loan?
@Riley Moore I believe the ARV is determined by the comps sold within your area in the last few months to most recent. The 203 appraiser will have all those comps prior. Not sure if it made a difference but I gave my realtor a bunch of printed comps to hand to the appraiser because I was not able to be there.
Riley is correct about the ARV. Your agent should be able to pull comps to gi e you an idea as to wbat the ARV would be.
The contingency is added to the entire loan amount. 10% if utilities are on and 15% if tbey aren't.
200k purchase price. 25k repairs. 3k other fees. 10% contingency
Total is 231k. The ARV would have to be at least 210k.
Sorry about the spelling errors. I replied from my phone and didn't check it.
Hi Riley thanks for posting your story. I am new here on BP and your post came up on my ‘montclair’ Alert. My family and I are doing the same thing also in Montclair. I’d like to connect and maybe trade notes since we are in the same town and both navigating the 203k process for the first time. Actually getting ready to go to contract in the next week or so, and start looking for contractors. its both exciting and scary!
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