Using FHA to buy a home and build ADU // need advice

Using FHA to buy a home and build ADU // need advice

Contractor · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 9 votes

Hello everybody,

My name is Michelle and this is my first time posting on Bigger Pockets forums. I'm hoping to tap into the wealth of information provided by you fine folks.

A little bit of background on me: My husband and I currently rent a 1 bed 1 bath ADU in the San Fernando Valley, we pay $1700/mo including all utilities. I am a project manager for a general contractor. I deal with building inspectors, subcontractors, suppliers, and laborers on a daily basis. My husband is a carpenter, welder and all-around handyman with golden hands who manages our fence/gate business. We live and breathe the home improvement industry! We have access to cost price, amazing professionals, and insider knowledge which will ultimately save us tons of money in any renovation, big or small.

Our goal for 2018 is two-fold: to become homeowners AND landlords. We will achieve this buy finding a home with a large lot, build a detached ADU (accessory dwelling unit) and rent it out ASAP.

Our financing strategy is to use FHA and put down 3.5% (we've saved 6% to include closing costs just in case) and then get a private construction loan to finance the building costs of the ADU, which will cost us around $40,000, since we will be doing most of the work ourselves (including framing). Estimated monthly mortage/insurance/tax + loan payment would hover around $3500, not including utilities.

Since we have lived in 3 ADU's in the past as tenants, we've accurately estimated that our proposed 1 bed 1 bath with fenced-off yard and pergola, ADU could rent for $1700/mo easily, with the tenant paying their own utilities.

Our budget is no more than $475K, including money earmarked to repair main house (because honestly, we won't be getting anything pretty in San Fernando Valley at this price range) and construction loan for the ADU.

Currently we have about half of the down payment and closing cost amount saved up. 

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Here is a list of my main concerns/questions that I'm hoping you folks can help me with:

1.) Does it make sense to jump into such a project in such a costly area as a first-time endeavor? 

2.) Would it make more sense to start small and buy a much cheaper property to flip? But then I couldn't get FHA because of the 1 year occupancy requirement, and then I'd have to wait till I saved 20% for a conventional mortgage and that takes more time, and time = money!!! Especially in this hot market.

3.) Can you buy a foreclosed property through FHA? Does it make sense financially/time wise?

4.) What can I do RIGHT NOW to save time and make it easier for us when the time comes to start building the ADU?

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Thanks for reading my post, any and all feedback is highly appreciated.

Michelle

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Nabil SuleimanBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 596 posts · 299 votes
8y

Hi Michelle,

Welcome to BP. I love the game plan. Here are my short notes/ thoughts before I answer your questions. 

1. FHA has certain requirments when buying a home and the condition that it is in, so just be aware of that when thinking of looking at fixers.

2. 203k loans can be something you explore if fixers are the route you want to go.

3. construction loans (to my knowledge) are not accessible to people who do not own the land outright. meaning you cant have a loan on the house and then get a construction loan... BUT if you do buy a fixer, then you can force appreciation into the house and then take out a HELOC. to afford your ADU's.

now to your questions:

1. I jumped into costly areas on my first endeavors. It can make you or break you, so make sure you are doing your numbers right and have good exit strategies.

2. 5% conventional loans exist. look at those as possible options to avoid FHA (notes above on issues with fixers and FHA's)

3. No

4. a) You can find people on here that have done ADU's already, or have begun the process. If you can find someone in a similar area to the one you want to invest in, that would be the best. Take them out for coffee, and pick their brains.

b) go to your local investor meeting and start talking to people about your goals. The more people that know them the sooner you will find the right people to connect with.

c) evaluate properties you are interested in as if you are going to buy them this week. Find out the numbers and how you would make sense out of the purchase

e) have you been pre-qualified yet? this is a super important part about educating yourself on what you could potentially afford. 

I am sure there is more but this is what immediately comes to mind. 

Good Luck!

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  • Nabil SuleimanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 596 posts · 299 votes
    8y

    Hi Michelle,

    Welcome to BP. I love the game plan. Here are my short notes/ thoughts before I answer your questions. 

    1. FHA has certain requirments when buying a home and the condition that it is in, so just be aware of that when thinking of looking at fixers.

    2. 203k loans can be something you explore if fixers are the route you want to go.

    3. construction loans (to my knowledge) are not accessible to people who do not own the land outright. meaning you cant have a loan on the house and then get a construction loan... BUT if you do buy a fixer, then you can force appreciation into the house and then take out a HELOC. to afford your ADU's.

    now to your questions:

    1. I jumped into costly areas on my first endeavors. It can make you or break you, so make sure you are doing your numbers right and have good exit strategies.

    2. 5% conventional loans exist. look at those as possible options to avoid FHA (notes above on issues with fixers and FHA's)

    3. No

    4. a) You can find people on here that have done ADU's already, or have begun the process. If you can find someone in a similar area to the one you want to invest in, that would be the best. Take them out for coffee, and pick their brains.

    b) go to your local investor meeting and start talking to people about your goals. The more people that know them the sooner you will find the right people to connect with.

    c) evaluate properties you are interested in as if you are going to buy them this week. Find out the numbers and how you would make sense out of the purchase

    e) have you been pre-qualified yet? this is a super important part about educating yourself on what you could potentially afford. 

    I am sure there is more but this is what immediately comes to mind. 

    Good Luck!

  • Contractor · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 9 votes
    8y

    Hey Nabil,

    I really appreciate your thorough response! How soon after purchasing a house can you get a HELOC to finance an ADU?

    Thanks,

    Michelle

  • Investor · Taylor Mill, KY · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 964 votes
    8y

    Welcome to BP @Michelle Kay! I've never done or been around someone doing what you are attempting to do, so unfortunately I can't respond to that. Just wanted to say welcome!

  • Nabil SuleimanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 596 posts · 299 votes
    8y

    @Michelle Kay

    assuming you get the home spruced up in 6 months you should be able to refinance in that amount of time 

  • Contractor · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 9 votes
    8y

    @Grant Rothenburger Thanks for the warm welcome :D

    @Nabil Suleiman I see what you are saying. Is there any source of financing that would be readily available as soon as buying the house?

  • Nabil SuleimanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 596 posts · 299 votes
    8y

    @Michelle Kay 203k, hard money, family, saving more. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 33 posts · 14 votes
    8y

    Hi Michelle and welcome to BP!

    I had the same exact questions and different scenarios in my head when I was looking to buy a duplex. And I finally closed about a month ago. Since you also live in LA, I can relate to a lot, especially the crazy expensive real estate. The San Fernando Valley is expensive but it is not hard. I bought my house in unincorporated LA County, very close to Boyle Heights, so no rent control. You should check if where you're buying has rent control. Some cities in the valley are in LA City. Just quickly check zimas.lacity.org and see if you're LA city and if the property falls under RSO.

    To your questions:

    1. I always say buy where it makes sense. Prices in LA are going to be high unless you live out in the High Desert or by San Bernardino. That said, you can always find deals anywhere. Maybe you see an overlooked property going for $519,000 and you offer $475,000 and the seller accepts (that's what happened to us). So you never know unless you actually make an offer. With a hot market like LA, I would suggest making several offers and make it contingent upon interior inspection.

    2. I tried FHA and did not work for us: it is a lengthy process, especially with the older homes in Los Angeles. Most houses might need a termite clearance and if the seller is not willing to wait, then s/he might drop your offer and go with someone else. That almost happened to us so we switched our loan to FHA. Also, FHA has an upfront mortgage insurance cost and will bump up the cost of your loan. I have a very good lender with a lot of loan options, one of them is a low down-payment, a low mortgage insurance, but a "high" (5%) interest rate. Send me a message so that we can connect. I am an architect in Los Angeles. My advice to you is to start talking with lenders about loan options. That way you know what to save for.

    3. Try HomePath program. It is a site with foreclosure houses and you can buy it with an FHA. But the housing inventory in that website is low and kind of pricey (IMO).

    4. I would suggest you to start talking with a lender and build a relationship. I was back and forth with my lender for a year just looking at properties and having her give me pre-approval letters. They will also know what you need to prepare for financially and document wise. I would be very careful when looking at properties because every city is different in the way they adopted the ADU ordinance, eg lot size, zoning, etc. I looked into building an ADU but I found out that you need to sign a covenant stating that you will live on the property and cannot rent out both the ADU and your house, otherwise the ADU becomes non-conforming. And if you're looking at some point to rent out both units, then I would go with R-2 and above zoning to build another unit.

    Hope this helps!

  • Contractor · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 9 votes
    8y

    Hi there Wei! I just saw your post now, thank you for the very detailed response. I would be more than glad to chat with you, I'll DM you my details. Thank you!!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 50 posts · 19 votes
    8y

    Hi @Wei Cho and @Michelle Kay! This is my exact question! I'm so glad to see that I'm not alone in this endeavor =) It seems like we are all relatively close to the LA area. Would you guys like to meet up at some time for coffee? (my treat!) I would love to pick your brains about your experiences and what challenges you have met along the way in pursuing the ADU route.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 33 posts · 14 votes
    8y

    @Michelle Kay 

    @Vickie Y. would love to! I’ll DM you my contact. Happy to make BP connections in LA!!

  • Studio City, CA · Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    Hi @Wei Cho, @Michelle Kay, @Vickie Yang I'm in LA and looking into buying a property with a ADU or the space to build / convert one. Would love to meet up too or chat if that's a possibility? @Michelle Kay thanks for asking the question!

  • downey, CA · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 13 votes
    8y

    like everyone else here, we should meetup and grab a coffee on the weekend if you guys are free, I'm trying to connect with local REI Groups and like minded individuals, I will PM all of you with my email if you guys want to connect

  • Real Estate Consultant · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 33 posts · 13 votes
    8y

    Maybe you guys should start an ADU meetup!

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2015 · 214 posts · 49 votes
    8y

    Aloha LA BPers.  I'm also seriously looking into ADUs. I'm in San Jose so codes are different but its still CA.  Its great that Gov Brown signed that bill because now cities have to comply.

    What Ive learned thus far?  Check your city's code ordinance frequently and keep abreast of meetings with the planning department.  In San Jose, it seems they change codes every 6 months, usually for the better.  I've attended two community meetings and its great that they listen to us and are willing to adjust the codes to help us homeowners.  Previously we were restricted to one bedroom single story.  But now because of these meetings, we can now build two bedroom units, have two stories, and up to 800sf on a 6000sf lot.     

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    Hello! Update on this meetup?

    I'm going to start an LA group for investors interested in ADU's. If you're interested in joining, please message me. I will message each of you individually. This group will consolidate all of the learnings I've picked up here on BP and other investors regarding ADUs in LA.

    I'm based out of Sherman Oaks.

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