"Mentor", "Guru", or "Consultant"?

"Mentor", "Guru", or "Consultant"?

Real Estate Consultant · Houston TX · Member since 2021 · 124 posts · 93 votes

Hot take incoming. And I say this as someone who has both paid for

expert time AND been genuinely mentored by people who owed me nothing:

The real estate "mentor" space is a mess.

On one end: people charging $20,000 for a 90-day coaching program who

found their first deal two years ago. On the other: operators with 20+

years, 500+ doors, and the kind of pattern recognition that only comes

from surviving multiple market cycles, who will never post a course

because they're too busy actually doing it.

Those people in the second group? They're out there. And they will tell

you things that no boot camp will.

But here's why you'll never find them selling a weekend seminar:

They've been burned. They opened their circle to people who took the

knowledge, vanished, and never reciprocated. So now the cost of access

is either time, years of showing up, being useful, proving you're not a

tourist, or a paid call that tells them before the conversation starts

that you understand what an experienced operator's hour is actually

worth.

Let me be clear: paying for expert time is not a scam. It's one of the

most efficient things you can do. Offer to pay someone who knows what

they're doing, and most of them will tell you exactly what they'd do in

your situation. That's not mentorship, it's consulting. And consulting

is honest, useful, and underrated.

But it's not the same as someone who texts you back at 10pm when your

lender falls through. That's a mentor. That relationship was built over

years and it costs nothing on a payment processor and everything in

terms of time and trust.

The distinction:

- Mentor: invested in your long-term outcome, at their own expense

- Expert-for-hire: honest transaction, fair price, specific problem

solved

- Guru: selling the feeling of access without the substance of either

No boot camp, mastermind, or "inner circle" subscription will close

deals for you. The information is only as good as the operator applying

it. You're the variable. Act accordingly.

Find real people. Do real deals. Be someone worth mentoring.

The circle gets wider when the people inside it make it worth widening.

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Doug SmithPro Member
Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
5mo

About 15 years ago a publishing company that worked with one of my clients, who is an author, approached me about doing doing the hotel guru thing. They would fill the seats and I would whip them into a frenzy with Pollyanna scenarios on notes and private lending. The problem was two-fold...they didn't want me to hit hard on the dangers of what could go wrong and how to mitigate it. They simply wanted me to wet their appetites to buy...(leading me to the second issue) non-performing loans from a fund I was to create for them. They basically wanted me to fill a portfolio with "the cream of the crap" assets and then get my students to overpay for them. I declined and they got someone else to do it. I actually enjoy consulting...helping private lenders and non-performing loan investors underwrite deals...but it has to be the truth. My biggest issue with most gurus is that they lack the background for what they teach. I tell people to go to Linked In and look up the backgrounds of people they plan to work with or learn from. If they don't have the background, how are they doing to legitimately provide value? Good subject. Thanks for throwing it out there. 

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  • Doug SmithPro Member
    Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5mo

    About 15 years ago a publishing company that worked with one of my clients, who is an author, approached me about doing doing the hotel guru thing. They would fill the seats and I would whip them into a frenzy with Pollyanna scenarios on notes and private lending. The problem was two-fold...they didn't want me to hit hard on the dangers of what could go wrong and how to mitigate it. They simply wanted me to wet their appetites to buy...(leading me to the second issue) non-performing loans from a fund I was to create for them. They basically wanted me to fill a portfolio with "the cream of the crap" assets and then get my students to overpay for them. I declined and they got someone else to do it. I actually enjoy consulting...helping private lenders and non-performing loan investors underwrite deals...but it has to be the truth. My biggest issue with most gurus is that they lack the background for what they teach. I tell people to go to Linked In and look up the backgrounds of people they plan to work with or learn from. If they don't have the background, how are they doing to legitimately provide value? Good subject. Thanks for throwing it out there. 

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    5mo

    Great post. People need to recognize that you are not going to become an expert or even gain enough knowledge to enter real estate based on a weekend course or then paying tens of thousands of dollars for some 30- or 60-day course. That most likely is video recordings and is focused solely on marketing but has nothing to do with actually how to manage risk. That comes from experience and talking to the people who, as you mentioned, do it on a daily basis. Unfortunately, most of the gurus are great at marketing and continue to attempt to feed their base by having one or two people who are successful prop them up as a "student". 

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    5mo

    Agree 100%. Great post 

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