How Do You Determine the True Market Rent?

How Do You Determine the True Market Rent?

Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes

I’ve been investing in multifamily properties in Arizona, and one thing I’m still trying to understand better is how experienced investors determine the true achievable market rent for a specific property.

Right now, I typically use Rentometer as a starting point. I look at the median rent, try to compare similar property types, and remove obvious high-end outliers.

But I’m seeing some huge discrepancies in actual rents.

For example, I’ve seen 2BR/1BA units in decent neighborhoods renting for around $900/month, while seemingly comparable units are getting $1,400–$1,550+. In some cases, the higher-rent properties are professionally managed or managed by an experienced realtor.

That raises a few questions for me:

  1. Why are some landlords so far below market?
    Are they intentionally keeping long-term tenants, avoiding turnover, unaware of current market rents, or is there usually something about the property/tenant situation that isn't obvious from the listing?
  2. How reliable is current rent as an indication of achievable rent?
    When underwriting an acquisition, how much weight do you put on the existing rent roll versus your own estimate of market rent?
  3. What tools/data do experienced investors use to determine achievable rent?
    Rentometer? Zillow? MLS rental comps? Property managers? Calling competing properties? Something else?
  4. I've also noticed something that seems counterintuitive: sometimes a nicer property with very low rents sits on the market, while an average property with much higher in-place rents sells quickly at a much higher price.

    Is this mainly because buyers value proven NOI much more heavily than potential NOI?

My instinct is that I would rather buy the nicer property at a better basis and gradually bring rents toward market than pay a premium for a building where someone else has already done that work. But perhaps I'm underestimating the difficulty, cost, vacancy, tenant issues, or risk involved in actually achieving those higher rents.

My goal is eventually to acquire around 30 units per year, so even being wrong by $100/unit/month makes a meaningful difference in my underwriting — and being wrong by $200–$400 obviously changes the deal completely.

For those who have acquired a lot of multifamily: How do you determine what a unit can actually rent for before you buy it? And when you see rents significantly below your comps, do you view that as opportunity or as a warning sign?

Would really appreciate hearing how experienced investors think about this.

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Lender · Pickerington, OH · Member since 2026 · 49 posts · 39 votes
2mo

I’d look at both the current rent roll and what the units could realistically rent for, but I wouldn’t rely on either one by itself.

There are a lot of reasons landlords end up below market, long-term tenants, avoiding turnover, not raising rents regularly, condition, utilities, or just poor management. So low rents can definitely be an opportunity, but I’d want to make sure there isn’t a reason they’re low that isn’t obvious from the listing.

I also wouldn’t assume that because similar units are advertised at $1,400–$1,500 they’re actually getting that. I’d compare Rentometer/Zillow with recent rental comps, local property managers, and even competing properties nearby. Actual leased rents are much more useful than asking rents.

I think that’s also why you’re seeing properties with stronger in-place rents sell faster. Buyers are paying more for income that’s already proven versus taking on the time, cost, vacancy and tenant turnover needed to get there.

Personally, I’d probably lean the same way you are, buy the better property at a better basis and create the upside yourself, as long as the deal still makes sense if it takes longer or costs more than expected to raise rents.

I also have access to a tool that can pull rental comps pretty quickly, so if you ever want me to run one on a property you’re looking at, I’m happy to.

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  • Lender · Pickerington, OH · Member since 2026 · 49 posts · 39 votes
    2mo

    I’d look at both the current rent roll and what the units could realistically rent for, but I wouldn’t rely on either one by itself.

    There are a lot of reasons landlords end up below market, long-term tenants, avoiding turnover, not raising rents regularly, condition, utilities, or just poor management. So low rents can definitely be an opportunity, but I’d want to make sure there isn’t a reason they’re low that isn’t obvious from the listing.

    I also wouldn’t assume that because similar units are advertised at $1,400–$1,500 they’re actually getting that. I’d compare Rentometer/Zillow with recent rental comps, local property managers, and even competing properties nearby. Actual leased rents are much more useful than asking rents.

    I think that’s also why you’re seeing properties with stronger in-place rents sell faster. Buyers are paying more for income that’s already proven versus taking on the time, cost, vacancy and tenant turnover needed to get there.

    Personally, I’d probably lean the same way you are, buy the better property at a better basis and create the upside yourself, as long as the deal still makes sense if it takes longer or costs more than expected to raise rents.

    I also have access to a tool that can pull rental comps pretty quickly, so if you ever want me to run one on a property you’re looking at, I’m happy to.

    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo

      @Jenna Fawley Thanks for the detailed reply! What tool do you use for rent comparison? I purchased several tools but when I encounter something like $900 vs $1500, I'm still panicking...

    • Lender · Pickerington, OH · Member since 2026 · 49 posts · 39 votes
      2mo

      @Ying Tang Sorry I just saw the reply!

      I use HouseCanary a lot for this. It lets me pull rental comps around the property and actually look at what’s driving the numbers instead of just relying on one estimated rent.

      And I totally get the panic when you see $900 vs. $1,500 😂 When there’s that big of a spread, I’d look closely at the actual comps, condition, unit size, exact location, amenities, and how recently they rented. I definitely wouldn’t underwrite a deal assuming the $1,500 just because a tool says it’s possible.

      If you ever have one you’re stuck on, send me the address. I can run it through what I use and compare it with what you’re seeing. No pressure at all!

  • Rental Property Investor · Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2025 · 14 posts · 4 votes
    2mo

    @Ying Tang give rentjudge a try. It comps property based on actual conditions (via comps and subject property photos) and additional details like presence of dryer/washer/furnished/property type etc.

    Disclaimer: I have built this tool for my own rentals, I had spread of $1k+ using traditional tools so i wanted something more accurate.

    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo

      @Andrea O. Thank you! I just checked it out. I actually did something similar using Claude, just for my own use. I tried using AI to analyze listing photos but it wasn't very successful and I burned a lot of tokens. So I end up looking at each listing again... 

  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    2mo

    @Ying Tang

    ask a trusted PM

  • Rental Property Investor · Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2025 · 14 posts · 4 votes
    2mo

    @Ying Tang there is quite a complex ML workflow behind rentjudge. It uses a custom ML model trained on million of records to have statistically accurate estimates. It is not guesswork, the model is based on actual real data.

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    2mo

    There is no online tool that can tell you how much premium tenants are willing to pay, because you have a nicer building or because it's closer to the bus stop. We typically get $200 above market rent, because our units have premium finishes. No online tool can predict that.

    Experience is the only answer. You can use someone else's experience (like a PM), but if you really want to know, you have to learn your market, study rent listings every day and also go see them in person. Especially the last part is really eye opening.

    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

      There is no online tool that can tell you how much premium tenants are willing to pay, because you have a nicer building or because it's closer to the bus stop. We typically get $200 above market rent, because our units have premium finishes. No online tool can predict that.

      Experience is the only answer. You can use someone else's experience (like a PM), but if you really want to know, you have to learn your market, study rent listings every day and also go see them in person. Especially the last part is really eye opening.

      @Marcus Auerbach Thank you! I definitely plan to visit more sites!

  • G. Brian DavisPro Member
    Investor · Hatboro, PA · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 887 votes
    2mo

    Hi @Ying Tang, that spread you're seeing usually comes from one of two things, a landlord who's been in place a long time and never pushed rent, or a unit with a real issue that isn't obvious from the listing. I'd weight the existing rent roll less than most underwriters do and lean on three independent sources instead, Rentometer, a call to a couple of competing property managers, and MLS rental comps where they exist. When I look at deals through our co-investing club, rents well below market usually read as opportunity, but only once you've confirmed there's no hidden reason and budgeted real turnover time to get there.

    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @G. Brian Davis:

      Hi @Ying Tang, that spread you're seeing usually comes from one of two things, a landlord who's been in place a long time and never pushed rent, or a unit with a real issue that isn't obvious from the listing. I'd weight the existing rent roll less than most underwriters do and lean on three independent sources instead, Rentometer, a call to a couple of competing property managers, and MLS rental comps where they exist. When I look at deals through our co-investing club, rents well below market usually read as opportunity, but only once you've confirmed there's no hidden reason and budgeted real turnover time to get there.



      Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. I’ll validate the market rent with a few independent sources and dig deeper into why the current rents are so low.

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2mo

    @Ying Tang  Many below market rents in our area are by landlords with single units with specific restrictions or downsides to the rental. Limitations that may not come out in the listing. For example leases for a single year or less than a year. Electric heat. Limited parking. For this reason they may sit on the market for a while. Sometimes there are nicer properties with very high screening standards that may sit waiting for a tenant because they can. For us it is good to use a combo of rentometer, zillow, etc.  It is also helpful to identify an index property close to yours with listed rents that approximate your rent about the same, 10 % below etc. 

    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Colleen F.:

      @Ying Tang  Many below market rents in our area are by landlords with single units with specific restrictions or downsides to the rental. Limitations that may not come out in the listing. For example leases for a single year or less than a year. Electric heat. Limited parking. For this reason they may sit on the market for a while. Sometimes there are nicer properties with very high screening standards that may sit waiting for a tenant because they can. For us it is good to use a combo of rentometer, zillow, etc.  It is also helpful to identify an index property close to yours with listed rents that approximate your rent about the same, 10 % below etc. 


       Thank you! That's an interesting fact I didn't know.

  • Real Estate Agent · Denver CO · Member since 2019 · 210 posts · 333 votes
    2mo

    Online you can only see what's currently for rent and not what individual units rented for and their associated stats (DOM, concessions, etc...).

    Talk to other investors in your market and learn from experience.  Also analyze each unit individually.  There's unique factors to each unit (noisy neighbor, bad view, less sun hours, etc...) 

    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Marcus R.:

      Online you can only see what's currently for rent and not what individual units rented for and their associated stats (DOM, concessions, etc...).

      Talk to other investors in your market and learn from experience.  Also analyze each unit individually.  There's unique factors to each unit (noisy neighbor, bad view, less sun hours, etc...) 


       Thank you for the inputs! I have to admit I didn't consider all the factors that I would consider myself when renting a home...

  • Amit PatelBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Bartlett, IL · Member since 2025 · 170 posts · 67 votes
    2mo

    Hey Ying,

    True market rent is best determined from recent actual leases on comparable units, not just online averages. Rentometer and Zillow are starting points only. Local property managers, recent lease comps, and calling competing properties give a clearer picture of what is really being achieved.

    Low in place rents often come from long term tenants, owners who have not raised rents, or unit issues that are not obvious online. That can be an opportunity, but only if you factor in the real cost, time, and vacancy of bringing rents up.

    Most careful buyers weight the current rent roll heavily for near term cash flow and treat market rent as upside that still has to be executed. Proven higher rents usually command a premium for a reason. The gap between potential and actual is where deals can go sideways when you are scaling.

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    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Amit Patel:

      Hey Ying,

      True market rent is best determined from recent actual leases on comparable units, not just online averages. Rentometer and Zillow are starting points only. Local property managers, recent lease comps, and calling competing properties give a clearer picture of what is really being achieved.

      Low in place rents often come from long term tenants, owners who have not raised rents, or unit issues that are not obvious online. That can be an opportunity, but only if you factor in the real cost, time, and vacancy of bringing rents up.

      Most careful buyers weight the current rent roll heavily for near term cash flow and treat market rent as upside that still has to be executed. Proven higher rents usually command a premium for a reason. The gap between potential and actual is where deals can go sideways when you are scaling.


       

      Thanks, this is really helpful. I agree—treating market rent as upside rather than guaranteed income is a much safer way to underwrite it.

  • Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
    CPA, CFP®, PFS · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2mo

    Ying, I’d treat Rentometer as a starting point, not the answer. For multifamily, I’d put much more weight on recently leased units that actually match the subject property in location, bedroom count, condition, utilities, parking, amenities, and management quality.

    When I see a 2BR at $900 and another nearby at $1,500, I assume there is a reason until proven otherwise. It could be a long-term tenant the landlord does not want to lose, deferred maintenance, utilities included, poor management, an unrenovated unit, or simply a landlord who has not kept up with the market. I’d ask the seller for the lease history and then call competing properties or property managers to verify what comparable units are actually getting, not just what they are asking.

    For underwriting, I would give the current rent roll full weight for today's NOI and treat higher market rent as upside that still has to be earned. If your deal only works after immediately pushing every tenant from $900 to $1,500, that is much riskier than buying something that already works near its current rents.

    I’d also think about the tax side as you scale toward 30 units a year. On qualifying multifamily acquisitions, cost segregation may accelerate depreciation by separating shorter-life components from the building. The IRS recognizes cost segregation as a method of allocating building costs among assets with different recovery periods. But the size of the deduction is not the same thing as the usable tax benefit. Passive-activity rules can limit rental losses and carry unused amounts forward.

    Personally, I’d rather underwrite to a rent I can defend with real leased comps and treat everything above that as upside.

    Happy to connect!

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    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Ashish Acharya:

      Ying, I’d treat Rentometer as a starting point, not the answer. For multifamily, I’d put much more weight on recently leased units that actually match the subject property in location, bedroom count, condition, utilities, parking, amenities, and management quality.

      When I see a 2BR at $900 and another nearby at $1,500, I assume there is a reason until proven otherwise. It could be a long-term tenant the landlord does not want to lose, deferred maintenance, utilities included, poor management, an unrenovated unit, or simply a landlord who has not kept up with the market. I’d ask the seller for the lease history and then call competing properties or property managers to verify what comparable units are actually getting, not just what they are asking.

      For underwriting, I would give the current rent roll full weight for today's NOI and treat higher market rent as upside that still has to be earned. If your deal only works after immediately pushing every tenant from $900 to $1,500, that is much riskier than buying something that already works near its current rents.

      I’d also think about the tax side as you scale toward 30 units a year. On qualifying multifamily acquisitions, cost segregation may accelerate depreciation by separating shorter-life components from the building. The IRS recognizes cost segregation as a method of allocating building costs among assets with different recovery periods. But the size of the deduction is not the same thing as the usable tax benefit. Passive-activity rules can limit rental losses and carry unused amounts forward.

      Personally, I’d rather underwrite to a rent I can defend with real leased comps and treat everything above that as upside.

      Happy to connect!


       Thanks for the input! Yes let's connect.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    2mo
    Quote from @Ying Tang:

    I’ve been investing in multifamily properties in Arizona, and one thing I’m still trying to understand better is how experienced investors determine the true achievable market rent for a specific property.

    Right now, I typically use Rentometer as a starting point. I look at the median rent, try to compare similar property types, and remove obvious high-end outliers.

    But I’m seeing some huge discrepancies in actual rents.

    For example, I’ve seen 2BR/1BA units in decent neighborhoods renting for around $900/month, while seemingly comparable units are getting $1,400–$1,550+. In some cases, the higher-rent properties are professionally managed or managed by an experienced realtor.

    That raises a few questions for me:

    1. Why are some landlords so far below market?
      Are they intentionally keeping long-term tenants, avoiding turnover, unaware of current market rents, or is there usually something about the property/tenant situation that isn't obvious from the listing?
    2. How reliable is current rent as an indication of achievable rent?
      When underwriting an acquisition, how much weight do you put on the existing rent roll versus your own estimate of market rent?
    3. What tools/data do experienced investors use to determine achievable rent?
      Rentometer? Zillow? MLS rental comps? Property managers? Calling competing properties? Something else?
    4. I've also noticed something that seems counterintuitive: sometimes a nicer property with very low rents sits on the market, while an average property with much higher in-place rents sells quickly at a much higher price.

      Is this mainly because buyers value proven NOI much more heavily than potential NOI?

    My instinct is that I would rather buy the nicer property at a better basis and gradually bring rents toward market than pay a premium for a building where someone else has already done that work. But perhaps I'm underestimating the difficulty, cost, vacancy, tenant issues, or risk involved in actually achieving those higher rents.

    My goal is eventually to acquire around 30 units per year, so even being wrong by $100/unit/month makes a meaningful difference in my underwriting — and being wrong by $200–$400 obviously changes the deal completely.

    For those who have acquired a lot of multifamily: How do you determine what a unit can actually rent for before you buy it? And when you see rents significantly below your comps, do you view that as opportunity or as a warning sign?

    Would really appreciate hearing how experienced investors think about this.


     How much have you looked into:

    Condition of the buildings, landscaping, etc.
    Interior condition of the units
    Amenities

    Nno current rent pricing (or value) algorythm takes these factors into account.

    Last issue might be lazy owners not raising rents - which is an acquisition opportunity!

    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Drew Sygit:
      Quote from @Ying Tang:

      I’ve been investing in multifamily properties in Arizona, and one thing I’m still trying to understand better is how experienced investors determine the true achievable market rent for a specific property.

      Right now, I typically use Rentometer as a starting point. I look at the median rent, try to compare similar property types, and remove obvious high-end outliers.

      But I’m seeing some huge discrepancies in actual rents.

      For example, I’ve seen 2BR/1BA units in decent neighborhoods renting for around $900/month, while seemingly comparable units are getting $1,400–$1,550+. In some cases, the higher-rent properties are professionally managed or managed by an experienced realtor.

      That raises a few questions for me:

      1. Why are some landlords so far below market?
        Are they intentionally keeping long-term tenants, avoiding turnover, unaware of current market rents, or is there usually something about the property/tenant situation that isn't obvious from the listing?
      2. How reliable is current rent as an indication of achievable rent?
        When underwriting an acquisition, how much weight do you put on the existing rent roll versus your own estimate of market rent?
      3. What tools/data do experienced investors use to determine achievable rent?
        Rentometer? Zillow? MLS rental comps? Property managers? Calling competing properties? Something else?
      4. I've also noticed something that seems counterintuitive: sometimes a nicer property with very low rents sits on the market, while an average property with much higher in-place rents sells quickly at a much higher price.

        Is this mainly because buyers value proven NOI much more heavily than potential NOI?

      My instinct is that I would rather buy the nicer property at a better basis and gradually bring rents toward market than pay a premium for a building where someone else has already done that work. But perhaps I'm underestimating the difficulty, cost, vacancy, tenant issues, or risk involved in actually achieving those higher rents.

      My goal is eventually to acquire around 30 units per year, so even being wrong by $100/unit/month makes a meaningful difference in my underwriting — and being wrong by $200–$400 obviously changes the deal completely.

      For those who have acquired a lot of multifamily: How do you determine what a unit can actually rent for before you buy it? And when you see rents significantly below your comps, do you view that as opportunity or as a warning sign?

      Would really appreciate hearing how experienced investors think about this.


       How much have you looked into:

      Condition of the buildings, landscaping, etc.
      Interior condition of the units
      Amenities

      Nno current rent pricing (or value) algorythm takes these factors into account.

      Last issue might be lazy owners not raising rents - which is an acquisition opportunity!



      Good points. I’ve looked at condition and interiors, but probably haven’t factored landcaping into rent estimates enough. And yes, I’m hoping some of the gap is from below-market legacy rents!

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 828 posts · 810 votes
    2mo

    If you're buying so many units you should simply ask your agent to give up updated CMAs based on MLS data. Pictures of unit condition, finish quality and building amenities explain your comp variations.

    In liquid markets I used to bucket comps by 30, 60 and 90 day groupings. In today's market I've had to look at 60 day and 120 day groupings. 

    • Member since 2025 · 324 posts · 121 votes
      2mo
      Quote from @Allan C.:

      If you're buying so many units you should simply ask your agent to give up updated CMAs based on MLS data. Pictures of unit condition, finish quality and building amenities explain your comp variations.

      In liquid markets I used to bucket comps by 30, 60 and 90 day groupings. In today's market I've had to look at 60 day and 120 day groupings. 


       

      Really good point! Maybe I need to find a better PM. The two I currently use are almost opposite extremes. One priced my first rental too high and let it sit for four months; once I noticed and lowered the rent, it rented within two weeks. The other almost always recommends lowering the rent to get it rented quickly, even when I feel the suggested rent is below market. So I’m still trying to find a PM who can price rentals accurately and balance rent with vacancy.

    • Real Estate Agent · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2023 · 6 posts · 2 votes
      2mo

      @Ying Tang I know a couple property managers in the Valley. Happy to connect you. 

  • Member since 2026 · 72 posts · 30 votes
    2mo

    Comps from the MLS, RentOMeter, RentCast.

  • Rental Property Investor · Joliet, IL · Member since 2013 · 102 posts · 48 votes
    2mo
    One thing I’d add is that understanding market rent is important even if you don’t intend to charge full market rent. Over time I’ve learned to calibrate the sources in my area. Zillow tends to run high. Rentometer’s median is more conservative but usually achievable. There’s also one major landlord in the area whose listings I give more weight because they provide a useful local benchmark. I’ve started formalizing this with a simple Market Intelligence Engine (MIE) that tracks listings, property characteristics and observed listing time in the areas where I own. I agree with the comments about not losing a good tenant over the last $50–$100 of rent. But I think there’s another side to that. If you don’t know market rent and intentionally manage the gap, $100 below market can gradually become $200 or $300 below market. Then you’re faced with either a large increase that creates renewal shock or accepting a permanently lower income stream. So for me, tenant retention and rent optimization aren’t opposing strategies. The goal is to understand market rent, decide intentionally how far below it you’re willing to be for a good tenant, and keep that gap from drifting unintentionally. That’s also why I view market rent as a range rather than one precise number. The data is imperfect, so I use several sources and give them different weights based on how credible they’ve proven to be in my market.
  • Rental Property Investor · Joliet, IL · Member since 2013 · 102 posts · 48 votes
    2mo

    Here’s a simple example of why I think knowing market rent matters even when tenant retention is the priority.

    Suppose market rent is $1,500 and a good long-term tenant is paying $1,400. You’re intentionally $100 below market and raise the rent $25 each year.

    If market rents grow 4% annually, five years later market rent is about $1,825. Your tenant is now paying $1,525.

    That original $100 gap has quietly become $300 — even though you raised the rent every year.

    I’ve experienced this in my own portfolio. The lesson for me isn’t that you should always charge full market rent. It’s that you need to know the market rent and intentionally manage the gap. Otherwise, a reasonable retention discount can gradually turn into significant rent drift.

  • Financial Advisor · Tallahassee, Americas · Member since 2025 · 25 posts · 10 votes
    2mo

    Keep it simple; pay for an appraisal or get a BPO. 

  • Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    1w

    Hi Ying - I’m with the Rentometer team and came across your post. You’re asking exactly the right question, especially when a $100–$400 difference in achievable rent can materially change the underwriting.

    One thing I wanted to clarify since Rentometer came up a few times in the discussion: the median rent estimate is intended to be a starting point, but Rentometer also provides the underlying rental comps so you can dig into the data behind that number.

    For a specific property, we recommend reviewing those comps and narrowing them based on what’s actually comparable - things like location, property type, bed/bath count, size, and other property characteristics. That can help you understand the range the estimate is based on rather than relying on the median alone.

    And I agree with the broader point others have made here: there are property-specific factors that data alone may not fully capture, so local knowledge and additional due diligence are still important when deciding what rent you're comfortable underwriting.

    Hope that context is helpful, and appreciate you using Rentometer as part of your process!

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