Abandoned Property

Abandoned Property

Residential Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 3 votes

My husband and I have been in Real Estate for almost 2 years now. We would like to get started in flipping/rentals but we don't have a ton of money for down payments/renovations. We think we've found a great way to start but the odd situation has quite a few hurdles.

There is a property across from my mother's house that has been abandoned for 10ish years. Basically the home has no mortgage and the owner on title passed away 20+ years ago. There are lots of Liens on the property, upwards of 20k and the home does need a lot of work. That being said, we have a very strong market in Colorado so the ARV will be 150k-170k. Best case scenario would be finding a lender but we do all of the work. We would repay the loan as soon as the title becomes marketable.

We can't get a traditional loan because there is no title to loan against and same goes for "Hard Money Loans". We've been told by the treasury department that we can file for the treasurer's deed once the rest of the Tax liens are paid off as we've attempted to purchase the senior tax holders lien for years with no response.

We have spoken with a current client who is a small time flipper that is considering partnering with us (Lending 50k and splitting work). What splits would be fair for this situation considering the high profits?

Thanks in advance for any and all advice!

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  • Wholesaler · Syracuse, NY · Member since 2014 · 120 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    I've alwasy wondered how things work with abandoned properties. I've read that the disposotion is determined by the state you live in, as far as claiming them. I can't wait to hear more about what others have to say on the topic. :)

  • Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2014 · 35 posts · 18 votes
    12y

    In negotiating, he who speaks first loses :)

    Ask him what he wants as a split, and have him speak first. If it is desirable and fair to you, take it. If not, do the back and fourth until you agree to a win/win. And remember win/win doesn't always mean equal/equal.

    Consider his resources and your resources in what you bring to the table. The different kinds of capital are: knowledge, money, time, labor, contacts, etc.

    Good luck

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 3 votes
    12y

    @Markeilsha R. I've learned quite a bit about these "Zombie" homes while researching this one! Every state is Very different and they don't seem to make it easy.

    @Cameron Sharp I like the way you think. Can I ask you another question? We were initially thinking of a 70/30 split (us/them) They will be bringing about 80% of the funds needed for rehab and are only interested in funding if they can do some of the work, thus the split. Do you think the return on investment plays any part? Most rehabs won't yield anywhere near the return we are offering or is that non factor... We want it to be enticing because 100% of nothing is nothing so any part of this deal will be a great start for us.

  • Anson YoungBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
    12y

    So there are tax liens against the property, owned by a private party who is not you? From what I understand, when those expire (3 years?) they can then get title. Unless you can buy out the tax liens, or contact the owners to buy from them then pay off the liens, you are on the outside looking in right now.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 3 votes
    12y

    @Anson Young its an unusual situation, we are at the point where we can file for the deed but because it's been abandoned so long, there are tons of liens from the city (yard, trash, broken windows) and we have had a hard time getting funded because that title will take 6-12 months to come through. We need a minimum of 20k to settle the current liens and get the property to a point where it will stop getting fined. I think I can negotiate some of these liens down but those convos won't start until the deed is filed for.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y

    There are no profits, because you can't obtain title. Not sure what aTreasurers Deed is, but doesn't sound like marketable title. Step 1 is talk to title co/RE attorney to see what would be required. Each state is different, but I'm pretty sure just paying the back taxes isn't going to get you where you need to be.

  • Anson YoungBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Kelsey Bunker:
    @Anson Young its an unusual situation, we are at the point where we can file for the deed but because it's been abandoned so long, there are tons of liens from the city (yard, trash, broken windows) and we have had a hard time getting funded because that title will take 6-12 months to come through. We need a minimum of 20k to settle the current liens and get the property to a point where it will stop getting fined. I think I can negotiate some of these liens down but those convos won't start until the deed is filed for.

    But you still have to find the owners of the tax liens and pay them off, correct? Usually the bidder of the tax lien gets first shot at title after 3 years.

  • Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2014 · 35 posts · 18 votes
    12y

    @Kelsey Bunker it really depends on what they want as a return for the capital they bring to the deal. If it doesn't make sense, find another partner if possible.

    You're right, 100% of zero is not attractive. I have been accused of being overly generous, but Karma can be your best friend. when it isnt being a *****

    But if you need to entice to make the deal work, then entice :)

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