Horror House Flip

Horror House Flip

Real Estate Agent · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2020 · 75 posts · 88 votes

My husband does some flips with a partner. I handle our STRs mostly, but working with him on purchasing and selling his flips has been a great experience. There are so many strategies for real estate and ways to succeed that anyone can find their own path to success.

Anyone can (and almost assuredly WILL) have a bad deal. It’s not an if but a when. Well he had his when recently and after 6 years in real estate I suppose it was due.

Let’s dive into the specs:

Area: San Antonio, TX - Woodlawn Lake area (Historic District)

Layout: 3/2 Main house with converted attic loft + two 1/1 ADUs

Purchase: $260k in September 2024 with HELOC and hard money

Sale: $420k in December 2025

Rehab: $100k budget > $170k actual

Hold Time: 15 months > $60k in hard money loan holding costs (interest only payments)

The rehab: 

This was a full gut remodel. New foundation, electric, plumbing, knocked down some walls, the whole nine yards! He used a HELOC for the down payment and closing costs and a hard money loan for the rest. Things went awry and he had to start using credit cards, took out a personal loan, and pulled from our IRAs to keep this afloat through the sale. Not fun!

The issues:

ADU - The home has 2 adjoined 1/1 ADUs in the back. But come to find out that the area was not zoned for that so we had to knock down the wall adjoining them and turned it into a 2/1 ADU.

Historic District - This was harder than anticipated. Almost every repair required not only a permit but a Certificate of Appropriateness from the Historic District. And some repairs weren’t allowed! For example, we couldn’t replace the windows with anything other than wood frame windows?? Time consuming.

Timing - With the ADU changes, we had to move the gas meter. Working with the utility company and with it being in a historic district resulted in this taking almost 5 months. This along with the rehab delays was tough.

Market - When we listed the home the market had cooled quite a bit and so it sat for months. We eventually listed it on Airbnb to try and garner some revenue while waiting for it to sell.

Why I think this failed:

This was a HUGE remodel with many major systems being changed. My husband didn’t have the time to manage a project of this scale. Being honest with your time and experience level is important.

He had rosy colored glasses when it came to the ARV and was using a higher end ARV. It was really hard to comp this home given it was so unique with the converted loft upstairs, the ADU in the back, etc. It took a very special and uncommon buyer to come along. Unique homes are hard to sell. He learned to stick with homes with the biggest buyer pools.

The delays and timing wrecked this. It is hard enough to flip when you do the rehab quickly to anticipate market conditions changing. When a flip takes this long you have no idea what the market will look like. Moreover, the hard money loan holding costs were brutal. Be quick and be methodical. Time is money!

    At the end of the day. It was a beautiful home. It appraised for $455k but he got an offer and decided to sell at $420k and move on. I’m likely missing some costs but we easily lost $150k on this deal. But we both learned a ton! It’s the losers that shape you. I know we will do more flips in the future and be able to use this knowledge to minimize our risk.

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    Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    9mo

    Just imagine if you'd been trying to flip remotely!

    So many newbies think they can rehab remotely to flip or rent and are clueless about reality.

    See this reply in the discussion

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    • Dan H.Pro Member
      Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
      9mo

      Working for free or, worse, paying to work sucks, but I like both your level of ownership and your positive attitude going forward.

      There were done expensive lessons learned, but taking ownership of the mistakes tells me you learned those lessons and will be unlikely to make the same mistakes.

      Good luck

    • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
      9mo

      Man that stinks but part of the game. Will you guys attempt another remodel at this size or stay away from the gut remodels?

    • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
      9mo

      The Hysterical District is the same way in my area, I avoid it. Better luck next time! 

      • Real Estate Agent · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2020 · 75 posts · 88 votes
        9mo
        Quote from @Steve K.:

        The Hysterical District is the same way in my area, I avoid it. Better luck next time! 


         The Hysterical District is right! lol

        Appreciate everyone's comments. Yes, those guru's make it look easy ha! it is easy to get sucked into the allure.

        We definitely will flip again. No use letting all that learning go to waste! Will likely stay away from full gut remodels for a bit but never say never :)

      • Rental Property Investor · New Braunfels, TX · Member since 2021 · 291 posts · 257 votes
        9mo
        Quote from @Sherylyn Holden:
        Quote from @Steve K.:

        The Hysterical District is the same way in my area, I avoid it. Better luck next time! 


         The Hysterical District is right! lol

        Appreciate everyone's comments. Yes, those guru's make it look easy ha! it is easy to get sucked into the allure.

        We definitely will flip again. No use letting all that learning go to waste! Will likely stay away from full gut remodels for a bit but never say never :)

        Full gut remodels is where the money is at. The last 7 properties we have bought were gut to the stud rehabs from the tax/foreclosure sale. We have made over $505,000 on just these 7 houses. Don't give up:) 
    • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
      9mo

      These stories need to be told a bit more often when they happen . There are too many TV shows and gurus out there that make house flipping look like its fun , easy and profitable .  Nobody likes to lose money , but sometimes it happens 

    • Lisa OliverPro Member
      Member since 2024 · 9 posts · 8 votes
      9mo

      I appreciate these “reality check” stories! It reminds me to take off the rosy glasses. Sorry it happened to you guys but you clearly learned a ton on this project. 

    • Kevin IveyPro Member
      Flipper/Rehabber · Marysville, WA · Member since 2020 · 216 posts · 126 votes
      9mo

      Been there we've done 20+ flips and have had a couple losers.  We lost 80k on a rehab house had already been gutted we probably over did the finishes and then the local market dipped and the neighbors across the street listed majorly under market! learned my lessons and got better and continue with the successful flips sense then watching out for my next "when"  lol

    • Andy SabischPro Member
      Investor · Jackson, MS · Member since 2021 · 660 posts · 561 votes
      9mo

      A painful lesson but learning from what went wrong will avoid them in the future.  

      The Historic District issues are something many do not consider.  We did one in Michigan and the house had a lot of potential.  It was also in the historic district.  We also found out what that meant.  The house had not been painted in decades so we planned on installing architectural siding . . . nope, was not allowed so we had to pay to have a painter qualified for lead paint removal to sand the house and paint it.  The one story back section needed a new roof (metal was shot) and we got permission to replace it with shingles since it was clearly not the original roofing and no one knew what it had been.  The day of the new roof arrived and as the old metal roof was removed, the historic preservation people came by and when the old roofing came off, the remains of slate appeared.  Guess what - now the original material was known and we had the job red tagged until we had slate installed.  Windows were the same issue so we left the original ones in place after doing hand sanding and refinishing.  Bottom line we learned that while we love restoring older homes (have done several since), we avoid the historic designation like the plague.

      Learning what will provide unexpected surprises that cost $$$ is key to avoiding "horror flips"

    • Drew SygitBusiness Member
      Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
      9mo

      Just imagine if you'd been trying to flip remotely!

      So many newbies think they can rehab remotely to flip or rent and are clueless about reality.

      • Andy SabischPro Member
        Investor · Jackson, MS · Member since 2021 · 660 posts · 561 votes
        9mo
        Quote from @Drew Sygit:

        Just imagine if you'd been trying to flip remotely!

        So many newbies think they can rehab remotely to flip or rent and are clueless about reality.


         But wait . . . it's on the Internet so it has to be so!!!  You are so on point.  The Facebook guru's that claim anyone can make a fortune investing remotely and no experience is needed.  I cringe when I see the people responding saying they are interested knowing they will get sucked in and spend money that could have gone to buy a property locally and get started.  We have been doing this for a while and have no desire to invest remotely - have enough challenges locally.

      • Drew SygitBusiness Member
        Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
        9mo
        Quote from @Andy Sabisch:
        Quote from @Drew Sygit:

        Just imagine if you'd been trying to flip remotely!

        So many newbies think they can rehab remotely to flip or rent and are clueless about reality.


         But wait . . . it's on the Internet so it has to be so!!!  You are so on point.  The Facebook guru's that claim anyone can make a fortune investing remotely and no experience is needed.  I cringe when I see the people responding saying they are interested knowing they will get sucked in and spend money that could have gone to buy a property locally and get started.  We have been doing this for a while and have no desire to invest remotely - have enough challenges locally.


         We often deal with the aftermath - owner hires us AFTER buying a Class C/D pig-with-lipstick and has Class A expectations:(

    • Abby FarhanPro Member
      Real Estate Agent · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2026 · 1 post · 1 vote
      9mo

      I totally agree on your point of sticking to homes with the biggest buyer pools. That's why i advise my investor clients to stick to homes in nice subdivisions. While some clients may consider this "boring" or "cookie cutter," I view it as safe, easy to comp, easy to sell.

      Great learning experience.

      Keep your head up, you'll make it back plus some. 
      Thanks for sharing.

    • Peter MckernanBusiness Member
      Residential Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      9mo

      This is great for you to learn, and be humble about it along with also showing other people they can have losses too! People in this business will have losses, but the minimal you have and use it as as building block is the best tool for you going forward! Great job taking it and then using it to learn from and keep this in your back pocket when you want to see the ARV higher then it is, or the historical district properties too!


      You are so much better for this one and will get it back and then some!   

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    • Real Estate Consultant · CA · Member since 2024 · 32 posts · 5 votes
      9mo

      what an experience! May I ask you, how many Fix&Flip projects you have done before this one? 

      • Real Estate Agent · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2020 · 75 posts · 88 votes
        9mo
        Quote from @Ekaterina Lansky:

        what an experience! May I ask you, how many Fix&Flip projects you have done before this one? 


        I did 1 gut reno but we kept it as a BRRRR so the numbers worked out a bit differently!

        We did 2 cosmetic condo rehabs before this one though. The first condo we broke even, the second we made a $35k profit. Still very much so trying to find our groove in the flipping space!

    • Realtor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2023 · 282 posts · 42 votes
      6mo

      @Sherylyn Holden Wow! Thank you so much for sharing, and for the input that bad deals will likely happen in our lifetimes. How often did the Historic District meet per month and how often did you have to engage with them before commencing work with any of the exterior?

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