How would you invest $500k to start flipping?

How would you invest $500k to start flipping?

Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 14 votes

I inherited a property that is in the process of being sold. Once the deal closes at the end of the month I am looking at paying off all debt and have the opportunity to continue investing in real estate in the sum of about $500k. My wife and I have a couple of rental homes which cash flow nicely. One of them is paid off and the other has a balance of about $60k. Other than our rental homes we are total novices in terms of flipping, wholesaling ect. but have read a few books, watched some YouTube videos and read a lot on this site. I guess I’m just trying to figure out the best approach to grow a business that will allow me to retire in about 10 years. With our personal home (paid off) our two rentals (valued at about $350k for both) and this lump sump- we hope to cash in our chips and live overseas and I’m seeking strategies on the best route to do that.

Would you buy a couple more rentals in cash and put 20% down on another and let the extra cash flow pay it off and then maybe get another in a few years?

Is it smarter to buy a couple wholesale, flip and then rent?

Is wholesaling where it’s at?

There is a realtor that works with a contractor that I met recently that could help us potentially flip to sell?

Where would you start to grow a business that you could liquidate in 10 years if you had $500k?

Thanks for any input and advice!

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Randall AlanPro Member
Investor · Lakeland, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
5y

If cash is tight (even with $500k), financing your rentals will always make you more money than paying fewer off in full.  Run the numbers on using $200,000 on buying 1 property outright, versus 5 down payments of $40,000.  Leverage is power.  We have 24 rentals (40 units).  We see rentals as the bread and butter, and the flips as the gravy on top.  Just be sure to account for taxes / capital gains up front when you sell your flips.  
We’ve done 4 flips… biggest lesson so far:  cosmetic flips are where it’s at.  Don’t bite off more than you can chew.  We took on a 1925 house that has taken 4 times longer than a cosmetic flip that we will make the same amount of money in the end.  

Wholesaling isn’t our gig… but we will buy from a wholesaler.  It’s probably more about your skill set though.  You deal with a lot of crappy situations on either end of wholesale deals…. Divorces, death, bankruptcies … and usually the person selling their house is losing out, while you gain.  it takes the right person to say, ‘that’s what I want to do every day!”

We have been impressed with the appreciation in our portfolio over the past 3 years.  We have some properties that we have sold for 2.5 times their purchase price in less than 2 years… like buy for $55,000, put $10,000 into the unit, and sold the property for $160,000 two years later!  You can’t predict the future, but having a fleet of rentals has allowed us to sell a few off for some great profits! 

All the best!

Randy

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  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    @Wale Lawal Thank you so much for reaching out! What would be the advantages of the BRRRR method here in Houston compared to traditional flipping? I like the idea of buying, rehabbing and selling versus rehabbing to rent. We do have a couple of rentals back in my hometown (Victoria). They do cash flow well but there is a particular weight that I feel every time a storm is in the gulf or a freeze happens in winter or the rain won't stop… I guess the idea of getting in and out of flip projects every 45-90 days to get a return feels less risky I guess. I've been a bit traumatized by the weather events here in the last few years! Lol… but I'm very much interested in learning more about your strategy!

  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    @Wale Lawal also, I’ve been researching syndications the past couple of days and trying to get fully versed in the process and how to analyze different opportunities. Is there a particular platform you recommend? Or local opportunities that you can point me towards?

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 81 posts · 88 votes
    5y

    Any of the above can work, but I would recommend not thinking about it as a goal of liquidating the portfolio in 10years.

    Instead, why not set the goal as having enough passive income in the same timeframe (or sooner) that you can take off, leave the portfolio in the hands of an able PM and live wherever/however you want?? 
    Once you start running the math on flippers and capital gain, it's amazing on how many more you'd have to do successful in that 10 years versus simply amassing a portfolio of rentals that pay you to live.

    As others have stated, I would certainly buy several properties to take the stress off any one investment, but since you have that amount of cash also wouldn't focus too much on only 20% down.  I would simply find properties that assured the greatest cash flow (at least within a few years) and set the down payments at whatever allowed that to happen early on.  I would also use your access to money to make sure you're not buying "bargain" properties.  Instead, buy in the best neighborhoods where you'll never struggle to find renters.  
    As someone living abroad and looking for the portfolio to mostly hold its own for us while we're away... this logic has treated us well and there's very little we would have changed (and we certainly never had the benefit of access to that kind of cash).

    Good luck!

  • Real Estate Broker · Watertown, NY · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Adrienne Binder - Lend it at Hard money rates and let someone else deal with all the BS

  • Mike TerryPro Member
    Investor · Fort Myers, FL · Member since 2015 · 293 posts · 278 votes
    5y

    @Adrienne Binder Partner up with an experienced flipper.  Investors are always looking for deals and capital.  Provide one or both and lean on a more experienced investor.  Smartest thing I ever did.

  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    @Michael Ablan we definitely want as little BS as possible. The property that we are selling, while providing this opportunity, has been enough stress to last a lifetime.

  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    @Mike Terry we have found a realtor that finds the deals and she partners with the contractor to do the flips. She then stages and markets the property. We hope to partner up and learn as much as possible to see how things unfold with that side of things. Hoping to put $50k down and finance the rest and see how the first project goes. Use the rest of our capital elsewhere. If we make $20-$30k a project and do that several times a year. That’s a great start! We might be optimistic and naïve but it’s one avenue we want to explore more.

  • Rental Property Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2020 · 91 posts · 71 votes
    5y

    @Adrienne Binder

    If you have a tidy sum to invest with and your goal is to have a healthy, passive income stream in ten years’ time why would you be focusing on starting a flipping business?

  • Randall AlanPro Member
    Investor · Lakeland, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Peter Amendola

    Yeah, that is such a scam in my book… 1 month's rent as a fee! That's like 20% of the money you would net in a year if financed (after principal, interest, taxes, and insurance (PITI) Compare that to paying the under $5 dollars per day that Zillow charges to list on their platform through an affiliate service like Rentec Direct.
    As for how well that works…  keeping in mind that ours was a $1,000 rental - not a nicer house that would rent for $2,000… The last house we listed for one day, had 1200 views - not a typo - 1200 views.  We had about 50 General email inquires that say “tell me more” that contained email, phone and some limited demographics on applicants, plus had 18 phone inquiries from an under $5 listing on Zillow.  Yes, we had to screen those, but for the difference in price, it’s worth it all day long!   Maybe it’s a matter of how hands on you want to be with your properties, but we don’t mind it.  
    Think about what you would spend $2,100 on if you only had to pay $5!!! That's like a luxury weekend at a resort, and maybe the airfare too (I'm sure your realtor loves you!!!) There would be much less traffic at a $2,100 price point, but the point is - Zillow is the "goto" website for rentals. Sure, MLS is fine - but Zillow has far more reach I would suggest.

    For us it’s about maximizing profits by doing what you can yourself.  For the more passive investor that may be the last thing they want to do and a realtor doing the work is right up their alley.  But I can tell you that it’s so easy to do.  Rentec Direct will collect applications, as well, and for an additional fee (think it’s $15-$25) will run a background check on your tenant - that the system can be set up to bill the applicant.  And who is going to care more about it than the owner of the property? 

    To your question as to setting up automatic payments… 90% of our tenants have a bank account (free) or credit card (3% fee)  linked to the application where they have individual logins, and they have to press one button to pay their rent.  Payments fund to your bank account in one day with no percentage fee… just the ~$4 per property per month! The other tenants pay by money order… usually because they can’t get a bank account for one reason or another.  

    Randy 

  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    @Mike B. We would be investing passively and only funding projects

  • Randall AlanPro Member
    Investor · Lakeland, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Mike B.

    For us, flips are great for quick hits of cash.  We won’t do a flip unless we can net at least $50,000 on a deal.  It’s too much work to do a renovation, including closing twice and the taxes, etc to just make $20,000.  Plus, with that little margin you are very much running the risk that if something unforeseen goes wrong with your project (think foundation issue, new roof, etc) that you might be upside down if you are doing a job that you anticipate netting $20,000 on.


    It takes the right deal to be able to pull that off, but they are out there. You just have to be patient for them! 


    Randy 

  • Randall AlanPro Member
    Investor · Lakeland, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Karina Oliveira

    We are in central Florida, and only invest locally since we are self-managing our properties.  If a property is more than 20 minutes from me it’s on the borderline of being further than I want to have to drive.  With that said, our furthest properties are about 45 minutes from home.  

    I respect those that invest from a distance, and if you live in an area where there are restrictions (price point, lack of deals) then I get it, but we have always been able to find deals locally.  

    Randy 

  • Rental Property Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2020 · 91 posts · 71 votes
    5y

    @Randall Alan

    I’m aware of these things….flipping is a job, not an investment. That’s why I was asking the OP to clarify her question

  • Rental Property Investor · Orangevale, CA · Member since 2015 · 36 posts · 19 votes
    5y

    @Adrienne Binder

    So much depends on YOU.

    Age, adverse market conditions tolerance (have you seen the rehab costs swing in the last 7 months), risk tolerance, other financial situation etc.

    What if you put all of it in and paid cash for fewer properties? What if you leveraged it to buy more properties? With each scenario, what if the market tanked (again) and you were left holding the bag(in multiple scenarios)?

    There is no right answer. Because it is a personal decision which needs to be based on education which is then applied to your personal situation.

    I know what I might do in a similar situation (as would other people). But, I am not you.

    Just my thoughts.

  • Andrew HoganPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2016 · 560 posts · 463 votes
    5y

    @Adrienne Binder, your priorities should be capital preservation first, returns second. 

    With that in mind, there are investments out there that offer a LOT better "risk-adjusted returns" than flipping. 

    By partnering with an expert operator, your cash can not only be preserved but have a more predictable outcome in 10 years for retirement. 

    Multifamily syndications for example could potentially double your capital every five years while greatly reducing your downside risk and providing an abundance of diversification. In 10 years that original 500k could be worth 2MM+. 

    From there, you can funnel that into a diversified multifamily deal that offers 10% COC paid monthly, or 200k/yr.

    The key is to vet the operators upfront and let the one(s) you pick do all the heavy lifting.

    Good luck!

  • Paul MoorePro Member
    Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager · Lynchburg, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Adrienne Binder. Congrats on your success so far! If I were in your shoes I would start by asking myself: do I want to be a full-time real estate investor and do I have the time to do that well?

    If the answer is no, I would invest in a great syndication or real estate fund. Those things can certainly change, many of these opportunities have been doubling in about five years or less.  If you could pull that off twice in a decade, you could have $2 million. Then investing that at about a six or 7% return will give you a nice passive income, potentially for life. Make sure to do this with taxes in mind.  

    Of course things never go as planned. But there are passive investors who have made this work in the past decade. Happy investing!

  • Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 14 votes
    5y

    @Paul Moore Thanks for your response! We have appointments with sponsors this week. :) If you know of reputable avenues with strong portfolios- we would appreciate you passing along the contact. Passive is definitely the way to go for us.

  • Investor · NW Indiana · Member since 2015 · 103 posts · 99 votes
    5y

    @Adrienne Binder Congrats on your success. I am in the similar position as you are but I took a different route.

    I read several books about Rental Apartments investments and decided to invest as a limited partner in multi-family syndications first. That way I was able to learn, (even though limited) about the operation and property management of these big apartment complexes. Also, I have been a private money lender to an experienced flipper/rehabber in my area. Besides collecting a decent return (12% annual) I am learning ins and outs of the flipping business.
    Now my goal is to start building my own rental portfolio by looking for smaller multi-family properties in my area. If you have any question on syndication and what to look for in the sponsor please reach out to me directly.

     

  • Lender · Long Beach, CA · Member since 2013 · 496 posts · 296 votes
    5y

    Whatever you decide, start small. Develop your systems, processes and relationships. Learn from you successes and from your failures. Don't try and do it all at once, you don't know what you don't know yet. Build your team. Ask questions, seek advice. 

    Once you've got some experience, then start to scale.

  • Lender · Texas; Arizona · Member since 2019 · 276 posts · 282 votes
    5y

    Invest in a debt REIT. 10.5% returns for 10 years, puts you at 1.4 million. You retire. Now your investment brings in $147,000 a year, completely passive income, you can live off of while you travel. Rentals are not passive income, Flips is a job. But if you feel like it, you can buy rentals and flips and get them 100% financed using your REIT investment as collateral. Buy as many as you can find or buy when you feel like it, your money will be working for you around the clock.

  • Paul MoorePro Member
    Commercial Real Estate Fund Manager · Lynchburg, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    Hi @Adrienne Binder. Go ahead and PM me and I will happily give you five or six potential syndications you can check into. Our firm does do diligence on syndications and portfolios so we have a pretty good opinion of what we like.

  • Realtor · Tempe, AZ · Member since 2017 · 541 posts · 442 votes
    5y

    Personally I'd leverage with hard money and get a couple flips going

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