I have no experience with real estate or wholesaling but need a systematic program to start. $5500 for Brad Chandler Level 1 coaching. Any thoughts?

@Zigphryg Bello Would not recommend this route .. What are your goals? What market? I will try to direct you to the right place

Shalom Lior!I am wondering why you dont recommend the Brad Chadller course?Have you taken this one?Have you had any negative experiences with his educational programs?Toda!!

@Vitaly Shevrov Because the coaching isn’t worth that cost. I’ve learned everything I need to know on bigger pockets and books. Experience will teach me the rest.

@Zigphryg Bello why do you feel you need a systematic program to start? If you're not someone that is motivated enough to learn what you need on your own, I would question if you are motivated enough for real estate investing. The learning never ends, so once the course is over, the learning is just beginning. Save your money and dedicate yourself to education.

I personally totally agree with the point that if you learn study and practice you will succeed. And my motivation is strong inaugh to pursue and achive my goals that I set up for my self in  real estate. I was wondering here if Brad Chadllers courses are really good and useful in real business. Thank you guys for your responses!I don t personally have any reflations with  Brad Chadler company .I am not affiliate and not trying to promote them .thanks  

@Lior Reich , @Caleb Heimsoth @Jason D. , @Vitaly Shevrov . 

Let me first start off with saying that I’ve done 100 deals in wholesaling, I’ve made over one million in revenue, and I’m a top producer in the Seattle Market. I’m not bragging but laying a foundation so you can see where I am coming from. 

When I started real estate, I didn’t have anything. I had to save everything and then spend it on marketing to get to the point where I am today. I’ve made mistakes in the beginning of my career that would have saved me hundreds of thousands of dollars including a deal worth $400,000. I didn’t use a coach and my results showed for it. 

If you don’t believe in coaching, I empathize with you. There are so many sales pitches today, it’s hard to distinguish a good coaching program from a crappy one. The  skepticism about these coaches/gurus is real.  I was and still am on the skepticism scale but now to a lesser degree.  

From my previous experience, I can tell you that this same skepticism has also prevented me from excelling. I’ve done deals. I’ve made money. I can tell you that having a leader who has already achieved what you are trying to obtain makes the path much smoother with less mistakes. Why reinvent the wheel? If someone who has the proof of a track record and they can show you how, why not take that path?  If you are expecting this knowledge to be free, please stop thinking in terms of “The lottery mindset” where no effort or extremely tiny effort is needed to achieve a huge return. The lottery is a scam. Thinking you’ll get knowledge for free is a scam. It absolutely costs you something. Either you will pay it in money or time. If I would have hired the right coach in the beginning, I would have saved myself so much heartache and pain. 

Why did Micheal Phelps, Michael Jordan, Serena Williams,  Andre Agassi,  Tiger Woods, and other professional athletes have a coach? Were they just  incapable of learning and training on their own? Coaches are powerful because they see the forest from the outside where we only see the thickness of the trees surrounding us. Coaches are able to guide and mold you but it’s up to you to put in the hard work, effort, MASSIVE action, and grit. This is why these athletes achieved at such a high level because they had coaches. When coaches are introduced into real estate, folks have an  aversion to the concept but completely accept that concept in sports. 

You might say, “Well, I’m successful and I didn’t have a coach.” First off CONGRATULATIONS! I want to knowledge your hard work. That takes serious tenacity. Second, you probably paid for that success with a lot of time and a lot of money. You can’t achieve success without spending those two resources. I’m also not saying you can’t be successful without a coach. You absolutely can because you’re living proof. What I am saying is coaches can get you to where you want to be much faster, with less trail and error mistakes, and more efficiently. 

To that I say if you still disagree with having a coach, forget all that I said, go out take massive action, figure it out on your own, make a lot of mistakes, get frustrated, keep learning, apply the knowledge, and just keep going unless you fail into success. But after doing all of that, look back and see if you could have done it better. See for yourself and ask the question once you’re there, “If I would have known what I know now, would I have done better?” If the answer is yes (100% likely), a coach is a great way to go. What if you could have been a mentor/ coach to your younger self? Would that have made a difference? 

The take away is don’t take my word for it. Don’t ever take anybody’s word for it. Test it out for yourself. The proof is in the results. 

Originally posted by @Viktor R. :

@Lior Reich , @Caleb Heimsoth @Jason D. , @Vitaly Shevrov . 

Let me first start off with saying that I’ve done 100 deals in wholesaling, I’ve made over one million in revenue, and I’m a top producer in the Seattle Market. I’m not bragging but laying a foundation so you can see where I am coming from. 

When I started real estate, I didn’t have anything. I had to save everything and then spend it on marketing to get to the point where I am today. I’ve made mistakes in the beginning of my career that would have saved me hundreds of thousands of dollars including a deal worth $400,000. I didn’t use a coach and my results showed for it. 

If you don’t believe in coaching, I empathize with you. There are so many sales pitches today, it’s hard to distinguish a good coaching program from a crappy one. The  skepticism about these coaches/gurus is real.  I was and still am on the skepticism scale but now to a lesser degree.  

From my previous experience, I can tell you that this same skepticism has also prevented me from excelling. I’ve done deals. I’ve made money. I can tell you that having a leader who has already achieved what you are trying to obtain makes the path much smoother with less mistakes. Why reinvent the wheel? If someone who has the proof of a track record and they can show you how, why not take that path?  If you are expecting this knowledge to be free, please stop thinking in terms of “The lottery mindset” where no effort or extremely tiny effort is needed to achieve a huge return. The lottery is a scam. Thinking you’ll get knowledge for free is a scam. It absolutely costs you something. Either you will pay it in money or time. If I would have hired the right coach in the beginning, I would have saved myself so much heartache and pain. 

Why did Micheal Phelps, Michael Jordan, Serena Williams,  Andre Agassi,  Tiger Woods, and other professional athletes have a coach? Were they just  incapable of learning and training on their own? Coaches are powerful because they see the forest from the outside where we only see the thickness of the trees surrounding us. Coaches are able to guide and mold you but it’s up to you to put in the hard work, effort, MASSIVE action, and grit. This is why these athletes achieved at such a high level because they had coaches. When coaches are introduced into real estate, folks have an  aversion to the concept but completely accept that concept in sports. 

You might say, “Well, I’m successful and I didn’t have a coach.” First off CONGRATULATIONS! I want to knowledge your hard work. That takes serious tenacity. Second, you probably paid for that success with a lot of time and a lot of money. You can’t achieve success without spending those two resources. I’m also not saying you can’t be successful without a coach. You absolutely can because you’re living proof. What I am saying is coaches can get you to where you want to be much faster, with less trail and error mistakes, and more efficiently. 

To that I say if you still disagree with having a coach, forget all that I said, go out take massive action, figure it out on your own, make a lot of mistakes, get frustrated, keep learning, apply the knowledge, and just keep going unless you fail into success. But after doing all of that, look back and see if you could have done it better. See for yourself and ask the question once you’re there, “If I would have known what I know now, would I have done better?” If the answer is yes (100% likely), a coach is a great way to go. What if you could have been a mentor/ coach to your younger self? Would that have made a difference? 

The take away is done take my word for it. Don’t ever take anybody’s word for it. Test it out for yourself. The proof is in the results. 

I am basically pro coach for the right coach.. issue today is you have many that are all hat and no cattle.. they say they did this but did they really.. I have been to masterminds that had some of the top wholesale gurus and other guru's in them. and some of the questions these so called experts ask is really quite funny.. what they are really good at is marketing themselves and their class's..

One can simply pop on E bay and look up your favorite coach there will be students who never did anything selling all their books Cds etc for 50 to 100 bucks I would go about collecting all of those first .. 

As for coaching costs its not cheap.. If U can stroke a check for it.. then great but to get talked into putting it on your credit card this puts far to many people into massive debt they will have a very hard time climbing out of .

Wholesaling is by far the hardest thing to do in real estate.. and for those that succeed at it I call them the 1% ers  they will succeed at any sales position  selling cars  insurance  annuities you name it.. they are just good at it. 

There is nothing new or unknown in real estate.. the laws are the laws and have been on the books forever.. it comes down to what most small business come down to.. Proper capitalization out of the gate so you can sustain..  a receptive market.. and sales skills.. without those pretty tough.

Just like top producing RE agents.. many hardly know the back end of how real estate works.. I know I have owned 4 brokerages and had well over 500 agents work for me..  For every @Russell Brazil out there that really knows the structure of how transactions work from marketing to escrow closings etc.. there are 100 that have no clue.. they are just good at marketing themselves and over the years they may pick up on things.. but really its just get the contract and hand to title company and duck.. or like in Illinois were attorneys handle it all for agents.. My wife is a top producer and with her business ( selling mom and pops homes to live in) she is quite good .. But she still defers to me when there are title issues or other complicated matters of title etc.. but boy she knows her way around a home inspection and exactly what FHA and VA look for in a house and how to work with appraisers the things she needs to be successful.. PS she was a trainer for Floyd Wickman in the day.. He is one of the good coachs for real estate agents.

@Viktor R. I dont disagree with a lot of what you said, but let me ask you a question.... Brad Chandler has had much more success than you (not trying to belittle your success at all) and has done thousands of deals.

Are you signing up for his $5500 class?

Because if what you say is true, you could learn from his mistakes and by not doing it, you could continue to be leaving millions of dollars on the table.

Originally posted by @Jason D. :

@Viktor R. I dont disagree with a lot of what you said, but let me ask you a question.... Brad Chandler has had much more success than you (not trying to belittle your success at all) and has done thousands of deals.

Are you signing up for his $5500 class?

Because if what you say is true, you could learn from his mistakes and by not doing it, you could continue to be leaving millions of dollars on the table.

looked at Brad on line he is a real estate broker.. so I like him already  LOL..  I just love the I was broke and had 200 dollars to my name.. all these guys do the same thing.. 

I started my career in 1975 and I was 18 and living at home and driving my dads car to start we all start somewhere.. 

I guess stating that one was broke and then made it is what creates this exuberance from so many to pay money for coaching.

IN the real estate sales end of it.. most of the agents that take training already have some success.. 

AS business goes there are probably 100 to maybe 200 companies maybe a few more that do the volume he purports to do.. I fund a few of them..  So I know they are out there..  but these are pretty savvy folks.. like I said.. 

Originally posted by @Zigphryg Bello :

I have no experience with real estate or wholesaling but need a systematic program to start. $5500 for Brad Chandler Level 1 coaching. Any thoughts?

 This is like saying you want to spend $5500 on a vehicle.  What do we think?

Depends on the type of vehicle vs what you are needing it to do. 

Do you need a truck to haul things?  Need a hybrid because your commute is far?  Need less of a vehicle because $5500 is all you have and you'll have to put it all on a credit card?

What does this coaching do for you and will it align with your goals? What are your goals?  Is $5500 a lot of $ for you?  Have to go into debt to get it?  Changes the whole discussion entirely.

I have no idea who this person is.  They are obviously not on BP adding value in any way so I vote hard pass.  Hire someone with the heart of a teacher if you need that. 

@Viktor R. Thank you very much for your detailed response!It was very powerful and helpful!