Getting paid $160 per month to live for free in our MFH!!!

Getting paid $160 per month to live for free in our MFH!!!

Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes

My wife and I are currently spending $1400/month to rent a town home in Philadelphia. We just purchased a 4-unit MFH two blocks away from said town home via FHA that will be our primary residence come January when the first tenants lease is up. The best part? Each month after paying mortgage, ins, taxes and water for all 4 units, even with us living there and only collecting rent from 3 units, we'll have $160/month left over. Not only are we living for free, we're actually being paid to live there!!!

Before you all jump up and down about maintenance, vacancies, management, etc., I get that the building isn't a cash cow but, it'll still cash flow several hundred a month even after we move out in a few years (subtracting 30% for the above costs) as our unit currently rents for $1025/month. Maintenance should be on the lower side as the entire building was rehabbed in '07-'08 including separate HE gas HVAC units (separately metered) in each unit and a new roof on the entire building. Electric is separate for each unit as well and was upgraded at the same time along with all plumbing right out to the street. Additionally, the area is rapidly appreciating with new construction all around, coffee shops, a microbrewery coming this summer and several good eateries already open a block away. Our units are rented by young professionals and the neighborhood is a haven for hipsters. The upside is huge and we're excited to be a part of it.

Another funny accounting piece, we put around $6k down for EMD, then with seller assists, we needed another $6k at closing. We then received almost $8k back at closing for prorated rents for the month, last months rents and security deposits! I realize this isn't all our money to keep but it's a pretty funny feeling to leave with a bigger check than you showed up with!!! Lastly, due to the way the mortgage and rents fall due, we get all of Decembers rents to pocket and our first payment isn't due till January when the next round of rents are due again!

The best part of all this? My wife initially wanted to buy someone else's flip, which I could never do for several reasons. First, I work in construction and could never live in someone else's work knowing I could've done the same thing myself for less and pocketed the difference plus profit. Second, I couldn't stand to be tied to a $2k-$3k/month mortgage for 30 years with minimal hope of appreciation as the neighborhoods she was interested in have already peaked. This is what her friends have all done and she was simply "keeping up with the Joneses". After my wife realized all the benefits I've just written about, she turned to me in the car the other day and told me how smart I was! When's the last time you heard that from your spouse, at least in a non-sarcastic tone?!?! I can tell you it's been awhile for me!!! ;)

Thanks to all the great BP members that freely contribute so much of their time, energy and knowledge to make this site so amazing!

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Real Estate Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2013 · 415 posts · 84 votes
12y

I hear you and have been trying to explain this to the "better half" for quite some time now . To be able to live for virtually free each month vs paying ANY size mortgage is a no brainer to me . It just allows you to have more options in life IMO.

Great Job!

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  • Real Estate Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2013 · 415 posts · 84 votes
    12y

    I hear you and have been trying to explain this to the "better half" for quite some time now . To be able to live for virtually free each month vs paying ANY size mortgage is a no brainer to me . It just allows you to have more options in life IMO.

    Great Job!

  • FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 357 votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets,

    Congratulations!

    It seems that you made the right decision.

    A neighborhood that is on the upswing.

    A 4-plex that has had a lot of work done to it.

    And a wife that agrees with you, concerning the RE Investment.

    Thank you for sharing you experiences with us.

    Raymond

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 443 posts · 174 votes
    12y

    Congrats this is exactly what I would like to do when I buy my first property!!

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 41 posts · 13 votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets, that sounds great! My wife and I own a real estate investment company in Philadelphia and are currently looking for a multi family to purchase. What neighborhood is this 4-plex in?

  • Brandon TurnerPro Member
    Investor · Maui, HI · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    Congrats @Troy Sheets ! I love it! It's so nice to see people doing what I'm always harping on! :) Congrats and you are off to a great start! Rock on!

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 66 posts · 18 votes
    12y

    Congrats @Troy Sheets a great example of getting cash flow from live in rental - especially considering you're living for free.

    I would love to do the same, however, there is only one house listed under $900,000 on the MLS in our area! A challenging situation.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 732 votes
    12y
    Troy Sheets congrats ! That's great . It Definately sounds like an are that will likely see strong appreciation , microbreweries , coffee shops , hipsters = $ . I've read of the amazing prices increases in the fishtown neighborhood of Philly . Prices have multiplied many times in the recent past it looks like . The nice part is that you will see rents going up if/ when your neighborhood appreciates in price and it sounds like it will. I would of definitely done this in my market but multis are very overpriced versus rents . For people that live in areas where this can be done I really don't know why people rent instead of trying to buy a 2-4 with FHA.
  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y

    Thanks all! @Roberto Lobrace it's on 30th and Girard in Brewerytown. We went to Shifty's Tacos for lunch today on the 2800 block of Girard, you guys should check it out if you're in the area. High Point Cafe (second location) is opening on the same block Sunday, Rybrew is on the 2900 block and the microbrewery is going in on either the 28 or 2900 block of Girard. Also, Pizza Brain from Fishtown is supposed to open a second location by this summer on one of the two blocks. There is an art gallery and several other fun eateries as well. If you're looking for a multi there are plenty available on the 2600-3000 blocks of Girard and I couldn't recommend the neighborhood highly enough right now. The prices are still low enough to cash flow but are rising rapidly. We paid a bit more than I'd like but we needed turnkey for FHA. If you want a fixer MFH there are at least 5 on Girard for sale right now. I wish I had the funds to buy a couple more now before prices get any higher!

    There are several strong community groups that have food truck events, live music, community garden days and all sorts of other events to build a sense of community, it's got all the right ingredients primed to take off.

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Great work! @Troy Sheets

    Always like to hear success stories!

    I work in Philly, and I think you definitely picked a great location for future development!

    Working with someone right now with the same type of goal. Some nice options out there. Philly has some great buys.

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by Aaron Byles:
    Great work! @Troy Sheets

    Always like to hear success stories!

    I work in Philly, and I think you definitely picked a great location for future development!

    Working with someone right now with the same type of goal. Some nice options out there. Philly has some great buys.

    Thanks Aaron! Where in Philadelphia are you looking? It's certainly a balancing act if you're on a budget to find something that cash flows in a neighborhood you'd live in but it's certainly doable.

  • Real Estate Agent · Realtor - Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 342 posts · 55 votes
    12y

    I love this Troy !!!…I totally agree with you that many people strap themselves down to long term debt in their homes (really just a big liability if not producing income)….all in an attempt to keep up with the Jones…good play my friend !!!

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by James Mudd:
    I love this Troy !!!…I totally agree with you that many people strap themselves down to long term debt in their homes (really just a big liability if not producing income)….all in an attempt to keep up with the Jones…good play my friend !!!

    Thanks James, it's hard to not be a typical consumer but the sacrifice up front is well worth it. I actually don't feel I'm sacrificing but it's funny to see/hear our friends turn their noses up at being landlords and living in a multi. These are people whose parents also set them up with condos years ago and have told us renting (which we've had to do for years while saving) is "throwing money away"!!! If either of our parents could've set us up with 20% down on a $200k condo I may feel the same way, lol, but unfortunately neither of our parents were in a position to do so...

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by Troy Sheets:
    Originally posted by Aaron Byles:
    Great work! @Troy Sheets
    Always like to hear success stories!

    I work in Philly, and I think you definitely picked a great location for future development!

    Working with someone right now with the same type of goal. Some nice options out there. Philly has some great buys.

    Thanks Aaron! Where in Philadelphia are you looking? It's certainly a balancing act if you're on a budget to find something that cash flows in a neighborhood you'd live in but it's certainly doable.

    I'm actually working with clients, not looking for myself at the moment. I sell real estate in center city and surrounding areas. Clients at the moment are looking for a 203b in the Fishtown area, but are open to other neighborhoods as well. The deal just needs to make sense more so than the neighborhood.

    FHA 203b is a great tool for first time investors, who are looking for a great owner occupied opportunity. I turn a lot of my clients onto this program.

    Sounds like you found a great buy!

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y

    I would definitely have them check out Brewerytown, it's come a long way and over the next year I think it'll really take off. By this summer they'll have two Fishtown staples on Girard Ave, a brewery and a pizza shop that are already established in Fishtown, plus we've already got eateries that are second locations by hip owners such as Honey's in NoLibs (Shifty's Tacos on Girard), RyBread in Fairmount (RyBrew on Girard) and High Point Cafe from West Mount Airy (High Point Cafe on Girard). These people are all successful in their current locations so, to me, that speaks alot about what they're seeing happen in Brewerytown.

    IMHO, unless you're finding an off-market deal, Fishtown has peaked price-wise and you're going to pay top dollar with little chance of appreciation other than what you'd generally see across the board in the region. I'm sure there are deals to be had in Fishtown via the MLS but, I'd bet they're few and far between.

    Sorry to sound like such a cheerleader for B-town but this is truly how I feel, there are a lot of people working behind the scenes to make Brewerytown great. Don't forget it's literally down the street from the Zoo, Art Museum, Kelly Drive, Fairmount Park, Waterworks, etc. as well.

  • Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2012 · 20 posts · 10 votes
    12y

    Congrats @Troy Sheets sounds like the right move living rent free with a huge upside. Sounds like you bought right!

  • Douglas LarsonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Salt Lake City UT San Diego CA Daytona Beach, FL · Member since 2008 · 410 posts · 337 votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets

    Great job taking the plunge on this deal. Landlording is not for sissies but it is for intelligent investors that like making money!

    My 2nd, 3rd and 4th investments were functional multi-family properties that I lived in. My first one should have been! I think You did it right!

  • Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets

    Definitely interested in learning more about the market and the four plex.

    *What was the purchase price of the 4-flex?

    *What is the size/#bed/bathrooms break down?

    *What is the rent per unit?

  • Investor · Lockport, NY · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 2 votes
    12y

    @Troy Sheets Now if only I can mimic this in my area! My fiancee and I plan on taking the same route for our first purchase. Congratulations on the smart investment!

  • Rental Property Investor · Northville, MI · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 183 votes
    12y

    Congrats on the great deal! My wife and I spent the first 6 years of our marriage in a duplex that we owned, renting out the lower unit while we lived in the upper unit. We sold it due to a job transfer that took us to Europe for four years, where owning a rental house long-distance wasn't practical. When we sold I calculated that after tenant rent and appreciation, and after subtracting all expenses, we still netted over $50,000. That is, we were paid $50,000 to live in the house for 6 years. I think more young couples would benefit greatly if they took the route that you are taking, rather than loading themselves down with debt for a house that will be all expenses, no income.

  • Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
    12y

    Congrats @Troy Sheets

  • Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 40 posts · 2 votes
    12y

    Congrats man, nice work.

  • Darren SagerPro Member
    Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Well done @Troy Sheets ! Now the hunt begins for the next one!

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by Darren Sager:
    Well done @Troy Sheets ! Now the hunt begins for the next one!

    Thanks guys! Much appreciated, definitely on to the next deal! I have an incredible desire to build this into a full-time business.

  • Investor · Laurel, MD · Member since 2012 · 149 posts · 33 votes
    12y

    Awesome, awesome, awesome story.

  • Jerry J.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 6 posts · 2 votes
    12y

    Congrats @Troysheets !

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