[Calc Review] First time investor with capital

[Calc Review] First time investor with capital

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Hey, just wanted a little feedback on this multifamily property. According to the analysis does the property look promising for a long term rental hold? I'm a first time investor, but I've been preparing for a year now. Any feedback would be appreciated.

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Real Estate Agent · Merritt Island, FL · Member since 2017 · 986 posts · 1k+ votes
3y

@Justin Knox - the numbers need a little adjusting; it's very important that the input is as accurate as possible and you make your decision based on what comes out. Too often newbies want a deal so badly, they massage the number to make the deal work. Here are a few changes:

1. As mentioned by @Nathan Grabau, 6% is low. I adjusted to 7%

2. Mgmt was adjusted from 7% to 8%. Either self-manage or pay a good company to do it. Don't try to skimp, the service you get will reflect that. 8%-10% is the going rate for good places.

3. Water/sewer & garbage will not be $65 for a duplex. It will either be $0 or $180ish - depending on who pays.

4. New construction means everything is new (awesome), however 2% and 4% for maintenance and CapEx seems low. 4%+4% is ok to start, but 6% total is skimping.

In the end, the numbers still work. They're just not as juicy as per your calculations. Good luck!

Tchaka

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  • Realtor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2021 · 577 posts · 631 votes
    3y

    The 6 percent interest rate seems low for an investment property with today's rates, so I would be prepared for that to be higher. 

    If this deal is in Tampa, it is great. If it is in an area with a declining population like Cincinnati I do not think there is enough meat on the bone. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Lebanon, OH · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 228 votes
    3y

    Is this a SF or MF property, @Justin Knox?

    Your income makes me think it's MF, but your expenses make me think it's a SF.

  • Lender · Member since 2022 · 217 posts · 149 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

    The 6 percent interest rate seems low for an investment property with today's rates, so I would be prepared for that to be higher. 

    If this deal is in Tampa, it is great. If it is in an area with a declining population like Cincinnati I do not think there is enough meat on the bone. 

    The Cincinnati metro area population is not declining. The population in the actual city limits, like many urban areas, may be smaller than the post WW2 peak population of 50-60 years ago but the metro area is healthy and growing. There are many well-known top companies here and plenty of good areas to invest in RE. Housing demand for the better areas of town is very strong. For example, the areas in Northern Kentucky by CVG airport (and not counted in the Cincinnati city population) are growing fast (DHL, Amazon, supporting logistics/warehouse companies, etc). We all should look beyond urban population numbers to judge the growth of a metro area/region.
  • Member since 2021 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    3y
    Quote from @Lee Yoder:

    Is this a SF or MF property, @Justin Knox?

    Your income makes me think it's MF, but your expenses make me think it's a SF.


     It's a MF, brand new construction

  • Real Estate Agent · Merritt Island, FL · Member since 2017 · 986 posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Justin Knox - the numbers need a little adjusting; it's very important that the input is as accurate as possible and you make your decision based on what comes out. Too often newbies want a deal so badly, they massage the number to make the deal work. Here are a few changes:

    1. As mentioned by @Nathan Grabau, 6% is low. I adjusted to 7%

    2. Mgmt was adjusted from 7% to 8%. Either self-manage or pay a good company to do it. Don't try to skimp, the service you get will reflect that. 8%-10% is the going rate for good places.

    3. Water/sewer & garbage will not be $65 for a duplex. It will either be $0 or $180ish - depending on who pays.

    4. New construction means everything is new (awesome), however 2% and 4% for maintenance and CapEx seems low. 4%+4% is ok to start, but 6% total is skimping.

    In the end, the numbers still work. They're just not as juicy as per your calculations. Good luck!

    Tchaka

  • Wholesaler · St. Augustine, FL · Member since 2022 · 36 posts · 24 votes
    3y

    not to create an echo chamber but I agree with @Tchaka Owen that you should avoid massaging the numbers/expenses and if anything, over-estimate expenses to give yourself more room for error. I do wonder how many units this MF prop is if you're bringing in $7000/mo. But assuming you've done your research on rents in the area and that number is accurate, it looks like a solid deal for new construction. Tampa is a great market for appreciation so any cashflow will be an extra bonus!

  • Investor · Central Virginia · Member since 2020 · 394 posts · 253 votes
    3y
    Is 3% return a good use of 300K?
  • Realtor · Greater Tampa Bay · Member since 2014 · 219 posts · 130 votes
    3y

    Truthfully, even the adjustments seem off.  Are you positive the rent is really 3.5k/unit?  Usually with higher end units, your vacancy rate is higher too which I would move from 3 to 5%.  It looks like you'll barely cashflow with.. 40% down?  That's about right.  It is for sure more of an appreciation than cashflow performance. 

    @Chris Webb  maybe it's like .5-3% annual until you sell.  Then the average hopefully increases to well above 10%.

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