[Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal- CA duplex- am I an idiot

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[Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal- CA duplex- am I an idiot

Ned J.Pro Member
Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes

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I'm in CA and almost nothing cash flows out here unless you are buying off market or buy cash or do huge value ad properties. CA is a whole different animal when it comes to really looking at deals. When I run properties out here, they all suck. I've found one that may be as good as I can get... and it still isn't good. I did get it under contract but I've got major cold feet and need someone to give me an unbiased opinion. 

Duplex- 2 units totaling 2300 sq ft

3 Bedroom, 2 bath

Price 710k

Interest rate 6.5 

25% down...so 177k, plus closing and prepay etc I need 185k at closing

Closing cost 7k (got 5k seller credit0

PITI $4200

Current rents $4600 total... about market right now

Most of the SFH renting for $2300 are >350k and up right now

Positives

Its 30 min from my house and do all my management and most of my repairs, maintenance etc when I'm capable of the job

Its pretty "turnkey"... roof 10 years ago, waters heaters 4 yr, HVAC 5 yr, kitchen and bath remodels <5 years ago, it's in great condition so a lot of the Capex will be farther down the road

Its fully occupied and at market rent. I've toured both sides and they are near immaculate, so it looks like its got good tenants and both have been there about 2-3 years. So I dont anticipate any vacancy issues soon and in general vacancy is pretty low in our area

Another exact same unit down the street just sold for same price (same owner) but it was an FHA loan and the rent was lower on one side and vacant on the other- I assume a house hack but no idea. With an FHA or cash, the numbers would look way better

Negatives

The short term numbers suck when you factor in all the other expenses. This would have to be a long term play for sure. Its not going to truly cash flow for a couple of years and even then the numbers aren't very good until we get past 5 years at least. And that's all assuming rents slowly climb, prices slowly climb... which in CA is historically accurate but not always. Nothing is guaranteed.... and my numbers that arent very good are somewhat best case scenario and we all know how that goes. The appreciation in 10+ years may be great, but until then its not making me much $$. I'm 57 and have lots of other assets, but don't necessarily want to wait until I'm 70 to have this pay off for us. I want cash flow, but I don't necessarily have to have it soon. 

Big part of me is talking myself into this deal. Its CA and there isnt much to choose from. Anyplace else in the country and this is pretty much a no brainer to pass on. In CA we cant be as picky for short term gains

So all my CA people.... am I an idiot for even thinking of doing this?

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  • Alex Morales
    Member since 2026 · 97 posts · 57 votes
    8mo

    Ned, you're definitely not an idiot - you're actually thinking about this correctly. Let me break down your numbers:

    Rent: $4,600

    PITI: $4,200

    = $400/mo before other expenses

    Now factor in:

    - Vacancy (even at 3-5%): ~$140-230/mo

    - Maintenance (5%): ~$230/mo

    - Cap-ex reserves (5%): ~$230/mo

    - Even if you self-manage, budget something for unexpected issues

    That puts you at roughly break-even or slightly negative cash flow initially. You're right that this is a long-term appreciation play.

    Here's the real question at 57: What's the opportunity cost of that $177k down payment? If you invested that elsewhere, what's the return vs. the eventual appreciation + cash flow here?

    A few things working in your favor:

    1. Turnkey condition = lower immediate cap-ex needs

    2. Good tenants in place = reduced turnover risk

    3. CA appreciation historically strong, especially in supply-constrained areas

    4. At market rent = no immediate upside, but also no unexpected rent drops

    5. 30 min from your house = manageable self-management

    The question isn't whether this is a "great deal" by typical metrics - it's not. The question is whether it's the best CA deal you're likely to find, and whether the appreciation play aligns with your timeline and goals.

    What's your exit strategy? At 57, if you're holding until 67-70, that's 10-13 years of appreciation + gradual rent increases + loan paydown. Run the numbers on where you'd be at that point.

    What market/area is this in? That might change my take significantly.

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  • Ned J.Pro Member
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    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8mo

    thx Alex

    Its in Ceres CA... the central valley of CA, south of Modesto by about 10 min

    Basically, if my numbers are accurate its going to be a low Coc return until at least year 5... total ROI around 5% at year 5

    I've got a big Excel spreadsheet I pirated off here somewhere years ago. If that is accurate, my overall ROI at year 10 should be around 19% (factors in equity etc)...my CoC is <5% up until around year 5.

    as you stated.... is it the best deal I'm going to get in CA? its close to home and pretty much "turnkey"... other than that the short term numbers suck

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  • Megan Downs
    Specialist · Member since 2026 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    8mo

    This is a tough one for sure - CA deals are brutal compared to the rest of the country.

    A few things jump out to me:

    The Good:

    - You're right about the turnkey aspect - having major systems with 5-10 years of life left is huge. That's easily $30k-50k in deferred CapEx compared to an older property.

    - 30 min away for self-management is a real advantage. Property management at 10% would cost you $460/month ($5,520/year), which completely kills your already-thin margins.

    - Tenant quality matters more than people think. 2-3 year tenants who keep the place immaculate = way less headache and turnover cost.

    The Concerns:

    - At $4,200 PITI vs $4,600 rent, you're only at $400/month before vacancy, maintenance, CapEx reserves, etc. After accounting for those (even conservatively at 15% of rent = $690/month), you're at -$290/month cash flow initially.

    - You're essentially betting on appreciation + rent increases to make this work. That's been a safe bet in CA historically, but it's also a 5-10 year play minimum.

    - At 57, the "wait 10 years" timeline is a real consideration. Opportunity cost is a thing.

    Now the real question is, What's your alternative? If you don't do this deal, what would you do with that $185k instead?

    - Sit in cash earning 4-5% = $7,400-9,250/year

    - Out-of-state cash-flowing property = 8-12% CoC potentially

    - Keep looking in CA = might be months/years to find better

    What I'd want to verify before closing:

    1. Run the actual rent comps yourself - is $4,600 truly market or could you bump it 5-10% on turnover?

    2. What's the realistic appreciation trend for this specific neighborhood over last 10 years?

    3. Are there any value-add plays (garage conversion, ADU potential, etc.) that could change the equation?

    4. What's your total portfolio look like? If this is your only property, I'd be more nervous. If you have other cash-flowing assets, this could be fine as a long-term appreciation play.

    Honestly, I help investors analyze deals like this all the time (I run detailed reports breaking down all the numbers and scenarios). If you want me to run a full analysis on this specific property with some alternative scenarios (what if rent increases 3% vs 5% annually, what if you need to replace HVAC in year 8, etc.), happy to help.

    The peace of mind of knowing exactly what you're getting into might be worth it before you drop $185k at closing. Feel free to DM me if you want to chat through it.

    Either way - good luck with the decision. CA investing is definitely playing on hard mode! 

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  • Ned J.Pro Member
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    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8mo

    Hi @Megan Downs.... hx for the reply.

    My general thoughts overall.... this is a "decent' investment in CA....not a home run, more like a base hit in the first couple of innings. I don't see me getting better in ROI overall, or at least not much. Its just a matter if I want to tie up this much capital in an "ok" deal that won't pay off for a good 8-10 years.

    I got too much capital sitting in higher interest accounts make 3-5%, so that's my reason to look for other opportunities... got to do something with it, I'm just not sure this is it. 

    OOS make me uneasy... done it one time in TX... didn't like it. It works IF you have the right team in place.... and I don't..... and can really do great research on the market etc

    I've run the comps myself... I'm not relying on anyone else to give me numbers. Its at about market rate for the area. Not much leeway to go up at this stage. No real value adds I can think of...

    My portfolio... got 2 local SFH bought around 2015 that have been killing it for 10 years. So my baseline is set kind of high, so I have to factor in being realistic that they aren't all like this and this isnt the market of 2015. Got plenty in 401k for both my wife and myself... got Index funds... couple of syndications (not doing great the last 3 years)...some other smaller investments etc. So I feel like I'm pretty diversified

    We have a pretty good spreadsheet set up to let us tweak numbers for different scenarios, so believe me Ive played around a lot with numbers. Sometime I find myself being too optimistic to make it look better, rather than really playing more worst case scenario.  

    My conclusion right now.... its a decent deal (lot of upside compared to others).... I dont think I'm going to find much better ROI in the current CA market.... but it may be too much capital for us to tie up on an "ok" deal that really doesn't pick up for 5+ years if all goes well..... we may just need to drop our purchase price target.

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