Water Damaged Bank Owned Large Brick Chicago Home

Water Damaged Bank Owned Large Brick Chicago Home

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Hello, My name is Jess and I am a newer member of BiggerPockets.
I am an airline pilot has decided to expand income streams recently. Over the past 2 months I've read some books and been evaluating properties in markets I am interested. Here is one near me that the whole time I was wondering what problems it would have to be so low.

I have some experience from owning a 2/2 condo in Miami while my boyfriend has some rehab experience from helping 4 uncles in trades a few summers but I am rusty and not from the Chicago Area. We can do basic handy man skills.

Looking for advise from others who rehab and rent homes on what this would actually cost (Likely using 203k loan @ 3.5% down. Plan was shoot for $130k, and with rehab, total <$175k loan.... $195k absolute ceiling. 2500sqft have 3 or 4 bedroom, Rent around @ $2500/m. Is 45k enough for this house rehab? Should get house for less? Total rehab time? Should I drop it all together?

Here is property listing

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10125-W-Fullerton-Ave-Melrose-Park-IL-60164/89228743_zpid/


Here is a link to the photos of inside.

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPPgI8iNeLwaaOYvNa5EGj4bwF1KPBweSNOgT_XxMUH-iagFBQl3XTGGGYPoepeQA?key=OVoxNVhwZnZRRlNyM1JJNFhIRThEWFJsMjI1eHVB

I made some notes from the walk through:

Curb appeal:
House- yard work, shutters, repair driveway cracks, small porch for side entrance, some brick sealing / cleaning up wiring, new gutters, new flashing, 2 window (dual pain) replacement, door refinish, some trim replacement, some roof repair.

Garages & Shed - Check code for add on shed (add on is nicer), foundation sunk and cracked in 2 spots, check electrical, new garage doors, new shingles on garage, some roof wood repair, Demo Shed and have firepit/patio on slab.

Inside Home:

Overall- Electrical (multiple types of outlets, grounded/not grounded), Plumbing (Galvanized rusting in most of house), Possible mold remediation, Roof (Seems ok, maybe new by some windows and seal some areas), How is furnace and where was air conditioning. Exterior walls on inside (signs of some water damage, repair brick / insulation / sheet rock appropriately). Paint doors. Replace most lightning, 

1st Floor- 

Walls/ceilings (repair and paint, popcorn ceiling removal), hardwood floors (repair some areas /refinish), tile floors (reglaze &/or replace to be more modern/consistent, 

Kitchen (glaze tile/back-splash, paint cabinets, recover counter top, replace sink, repair wood below sink, replace appliances, replace stove hood-vent)...(Consider remodel of kitchen remodel, expand into dinning area, make window larger above sink, and obviously everything else involved.. Diff assessment), 

Demo wall between living area and dining, paint wood accents, replace / refinish wood accents and some window trim. 

Bathroom (Glaze floor / wall / shower tile / sink, paint cabinet, maybe replace vanity, rehab bathroom hole in ceiling. Paint)

Bedroom (leak in ceiling, damaged hardwood, repaint)

2nd Story- Repaint everything, Floors look like good laminate, 

Kitchen (Remodel, add appliances, fix water damage in ceiling. )

Bathroom (Demo / Remodel, Fix water damage in ceiling)

Bedroom (repaint)

Common area ( Make 2nd bedroom or figure out what to do with door that leads to nowhere.)

Basement ( Flood, likely demo bathroom and replace all lumber on floor. Fix leaks by outer walls and ceiling, reseal, replace insulation, Sheetrock, paint, lighting, maybe add bedrooms)  Could be a another whole suit possibly.

I got tired but that should give the idea of what is going on with this home.
I 1000% appreciate opinions on this home. Was so sad to see al the damage and I know people talk about distressed homes.
Not sure if this is a good buy for this area and worth all the renovation.

Thanks in advance,
Jess

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Matthew PorcaroBusiness Member
Lender · Long Island, NY · Member since 2016 · 456 posts · 336 votes
6y

@Jessica Marin

Hi Jessica - good job on all the research you did. Did you have an estimate on what you think it’ll be to repair the property? Just looking at your numbers you’re predicting about 50k for the rehab which in my opinion (General contractor for 15 years) you’re looking well over that.

Also, if you’re looking to do the 203k route, unless you’re doing a streamline loan (rehab amount under 35k) you won’t be able to do the work yourself.

Also, with a property this water damaged you’re going to have to do some structural work, at least the floor joists and it looks like the foundation needs repairing.

The 203k Way
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  • Architect · Chicago, IL · Member since 2020 · 214 posts · 236 votes
    6y

    Hey @Jessica Marin,

    Looks like you've got a pretty good understanding of whats going on plus what you want to do with the place. In the end you are really the only person who will be able to decide whether this investment will be worth it to you in the end or not. Hopefully some other BP members will have some more insight on calculation tools, and reviewing Comps in the area to check the financials more deeply. At this point those are not my strongest skills which is one of the main reasons I joined BP.

    That being said, I am a Licensed Architect and we do a lot of residential remodeling throughout Chicagoland. If you do proceed with the property, or others like it, feel free to reach out when you need some Architectural guidance. My initial concern on this rehab would clearly be finding and stopping the leaks; which based on a quick look at your interior photos looks like there are actually multiple sources. There will also be some structural repairs you will need to handle; all tho they look relatively minor & only due to water damage. Additionally, in having the combination of a fuse box and a 100A panel that has 2 open slots; it is likely that you would want/need to box off the old fuse box (using it as a junction box) and then replace the 100A panel with a newer/larger one with more slots.

  • Matthew PorcaroBusiness Member
    Lender · Long Island, NY · Member since 2016 · 456 posts · 336 votes
    6y

    @Jessica Marin

    Hi Jessica - good job on all the research you did. Did you have an estimate on what you think it’ll be to repair the property? Just looking at your numbers you’re predicting about 50k for the rehab which in my opinion (General contractor for 15 years) you’re looking well over that.

    Also, if you’re looking to do the 203k route, unless you’re doing a streamline loan (rehab amount under 35k) you won’t be able to do the work yourself.

    Also, with a property this water damaged you’re going to have to do some structural work, at least the floor joists and it looks like the foundation needs repairing.

    The 203k Way
  • Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jessica Marin:

    ... I have some experience from owning a 2/2 condo in Miami while my boyfriend has some rehab experience from helping 4 uncles in trades a few summers but I am rusty and not from the Chicago Area. We can do basic handy man skills.


    Hi Jessica,

    Personally I think this is an attractive looking house from the outside.

    If I were looking to buy it, I'd have a property inspector go out and look the place over and produce a written report.

    Paying particular attention to the roof, brickwork, electrical (including service drop amperage in place and available) and plumbing, as well as possible basement flooding reasons (probably why the basement wallboard is missing).

    If he recommended having additional inspections done by, for instance, a licensed Electrician, or a Roof inspector, I would have those done too.

    A written report should pick up (most problems--but not all) and allow an estimate of repairs to be made.

    With a house of this age I'd also have a sewer cam inspection done to see how that system is.

    The information in the reports, would be part of my go/no go decision on the purchase.

    You mentioned A/C.  From the pics it looks like this home is not set up for Central A/C, the furnace seems to be missing (or is that the water heater that's missing ???), it has baseboard heaters (which may be auxiliary to a furnace ???) , and there are high amp window A/C receptacles visible in a couple of the shots as well as a window A/C unit. If you want central A/C it would be intelligent to get at least 3 quotes on it, and be there with the A/C Tech/Salespeople when they come out. 

    The electrical system jumps out at me.  The mix of an old (4) fuse panel with an old breaker panel and A LOT of outlets, many doubled up into 4's, plus home handyman looking issues on the fuse panel (missing screws, exposed wiring), to me would mean having an expert look at the wiring in the house and if needed making a bid to repair it.

    That rats nest of exposed wired next to this fuse box might be live electrical current, it's probably best not to touch it.

    Good Luck!

  • Justin PoulsenPro Member
    Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 47 posts · 21 votes
    6y

    9,000 in property taxes.  Ouch!   From my experience you should be able to appeal that and get a reduction.

    when I did my first project here in Chicago I was shocked how much things cost here.  

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 175 posts · 86 votes
    6y

    That looks like more than $45k to me.  Have a hud contractor walk the property and give you a quote based on your scope of work.  Can't hurt.  

    I've done 203k on my primary and it was expensive.  Not many contractors do it so the quotes I got were high

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