A $3,500 water heater replacement should cost $1,600. The difference is who's doing..

A $3,500 water heater replacement should cost $1,600. The difference is who's doing..

Andrew GlissonBusiness Member
Property Manager 路 Memphis 路 Member since 2026 路 135 posts 路 95 votes

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The standard property management maintenance model works like this: tenant reports an issue, PM dispatches a third-party vendor, vendor charges retail rates, PM adds a coordination fee or percentage markup, and the owner gets a bill that is 50-100% higher than the actual cost of labor and materials. Nobody in that chain has an incentive to keep costs down except the owner, and the owner is the one with the least visibility.

A water heater replacement is the clearest example. Through a vendor network in Memphis, that job typically runs about $3,500. The actual cost of the unit plus labor from a technician who already knows the property is closer to $1,600. Same equipment installed. Same result. The delta is pure margin extraction.

The velocity problem compounds it. Vendor-dependent operations take 3-5 days to schedule routine repairs. On a short-term rental, that gap means cancelled bookings, refunds, and damaged review scores. On a long-term rental, it is the slow maintenance response that quietly pushes good tenants toward not renewing. Either way, the owner pays twice: once for the delayed repair and again for the revenue or tenant it cost.

The operators I see consistently outperforming in this market have one thing in common: they control their maintenance pipeline directly. Dedicated technicians who know the properties. Same-day or next-day response on most issues. Photo documentation on every work order so the owner can verify scope and completion.

If you are evaluating a PM in Memphis or any market, the maintenance question is the one that reveals the most about how the economics actually work. Not "do you handle maintenance?" Every PM says yes. The real question is: who physically does the work, and how does the billing flow?

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-- Andrew, Memphis TN

LPS Short and Long Term Property Management
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Honolulu, HI 路 Member since 2008 路 3k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
5mo

Given that the actual cost of a 50 gallon Rheem electric at HD today, here, is $669, and the fact that a typical R&R in a detached home takes under 2 hours for one person, I find the $1600 you quote as pretty inflated to begin with. Sure, there are a lot of possible scenarios that make it more difficult, but this is an honest baseline.

As a retired PM of well over 20 years, I never worked for a company that marked up vendor invoices or charged coordination fees for very routine work. IMHO, that is a straight up Red Flag, and I would recommend never signing a management agreement with those terms until/unless you are able to determine that it is standard practice for the region. There is literally almost zero cost to the PM to justify such a charge on top of a typical percentage of income collected fee. Accounting is a fundamental element of PM, and processing invoices is part of that task. One, or ten, additional invoices require seconds per invoice to enter into the books. It takes seconds for the PM to review and approve each invoice. Taking phone or email requests for service are also the most fundamental components of PM tasks. Charging hundreds, thousands, of dollars to "coordinate" a water heater replacement is ridiculous. 

A water heater "boiler" unit which operates with OVER 199,999 btu; or a "compact" undercounter or a tankless unit are more complex, and can certainly result in higher installation costs. 

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  • Honolulu, HI 路 Member since 2008 路 3k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
    5mo

    Given that the actual cost of a 50 gallon Rheem electric at HD today, here, is $669, and the fact that a typical R&R in a detached home takes under 2 hours for one person, I find the $1600 you quote as pretty inflated to begin with. Sure, there are a lot of possible scenarios that make it more difficult, but this is an honest baseline.

    As a retired PM of well over 20 years, I never worked for a company that marked up vendor invoices or charged coordination fees for very routine work. IMHO, that is a straight up Red Flag, and I would recommend never signing a management agreement with those terms until/unless you are able to determine that it is standard practice for the region. There is literally almost zero cost to the PM to justify such a charge on top of a typical percentage of income collected fee. Accounting is a fundamental element of PM, and processing invoices is part of that task. One, or ten, additional invoices require seconds per invoice to enter into the books. It takes seconds for the PM to review and approve each invoice. Taking phone or email requests for service are also the most fundamental components of PM tasks. Charging hundreds, thousands, of dollars to "coordinate" a water heater replacement is ridiculous. 

    A water heater "boiler" unit which operates with OVER 199,999 btu; or a "compact" undercounter or a tankless unit are more complex, and can certainly result in higher installation costs. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber 路 CA 路 Member since 2023 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    5mo

    How does any legit company provide & install a WH for $1600?  And cover materials, labor, comp, payroll taxes, FUTA taxes, SSA, SSDI, PTO, Medical insurance, vacation, capial overhead (vehicles, tools, consumables etc) & cut a margin?

    Yes, I looked up tax burdens etc in TN.

  • Investor 路 Las Vegas, NV 路 Member since 2013 路 8k+ posts 路 10k+ votes
    5mo

    I was pissed last year when water heater with install went from $1,100 up to $1,300. I鈥檇 raise a fit if someone tried to charge $1,600.  I鈥檓 sure Lowe鈥檚/Home Depot or could do it for the same or less. But the $1,300 from the PM includes completion within 4 or 5 hours from customers call.  No priority or emergency charges, not even holiday surcharges. I assume anyone paying more is out of state or just accepted the first PM that answered the phone. They certainly couldn鈥檛 be bothered to ask any questions about standard charges for a water heater replacement.  They would be better served just having the tenant call either big box store and arranging installation and then paying with their credit card.  

    A fool and his money are soon parted.  

  • Jorge VazquezBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker 路 Tampa, FL 路 Member since 2017 路 1k+ posts 路 684 votes
    5mo

    Yeah I see this all the time and it鈥檚 honestly one of the biggest silent deal killers for investors, not the repair itself but the system behind it, because when you鈥檝e got vendors charging retail and then layers of markup on top, your returns just slowly bleed out without you even noticing, that鈥檚 why on our side we don鈥檛 play that game, we get paid from the management fee and focus on keeping costs tight and moving fast since delays end up costing more than the repair anyway, at the end of the day it鈥檚 not about the water heater it鈥檚 about who controls the process and whether the owner actually benefits from it or just funds it.

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  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager 路 Royal Oak, MI 路 Member since 2012 路 12k+ posts 路 9k+ votes
    5mo

    NO one has mentioned local regulations.

    In every Metro Detroit city where we do business, the city requires a licensed plumber or HVAC person, to pull a permit and pass city inspection, to install a HWH.

    Yes, we know it only takes 2-3 hours to swap a 40 gallon, gas HWH, but have been unsuccessful in using this FACT to negotiate corresponding pricing with a licensed professional馃槪

    We HAVE been successful in getting a slight discount due to our volume of business, Unfortunately, we don't do enough plumbing work requiring permits, to justify hiring our own full-time licensed plumber.

    And yes we do charge a markup that we are 100% transparent about. Our time to manage the maintenance process is worth something and not given away for free.

    CAUTION about PMCs that claim they do NOT charge a maintenance markup, but charge hourly. Ask for a breakdown of their hourly rate and you will find a built-in markup for profit - even after all employment taxes, insurance, etc.

    Great post @Alan F. 馃ぉ

    • Flipper/Rehabber 路 CA 路 Member since 2023 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
      5mo
      Quote from @Drew Sygit:

      NO one has mentioned local regulations.

      In every Metro Detroit city where we do business, the city requires a licensed plumber or HVAC person, to pull a permit and pass city inspection, to install a HWH.

      Yes, we know it only takes 2-3 hours to swap a 40 gallon, gas HWH, but have been unsuccessful in using this FACT to negotiate corresponding pricing with a licensed professional馃槪

      We HAVE been successful in getting a slight discount due to our volume of business, Unfortunately, we don't do enough plumbing work requiring permits, to justify hiring our own full-time licensed plumber.

      And yes we do charge a markup that we are 100% transparent about. Our time to manage the maintenance process is worth something and not given away for free.

      CAUTION about PMCs that claim they do NOT charge a maintenance markup, but charge hourly. Ask for a breakdown of their hourly rate and you will find a built-in markup for profit - even after all employment taxes, insurance, etc.

      Great post @Alan F. 馃ぉ


       Yep, every company has to have margins, or they close. PM's get flak from both investors & tennants.

  • Flipper/Rehabber 路 Bloomfield CT 路 Member since 2020 路 1k+ posts 路 408 votes
    5mo

    Water heaters at Home Depot or plumbing supply can be bought at $600. I have changed them myself in an hour. 

    many are overpaying for a skill they should have in house 

    • Flipper/Rehabber 路 CA 路 Member since 2023 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
      5mo
      Quote from @James McGovern:

      Water heaters at Home Depot or plumbing supply can be bought at $600. I have changed them myself in an hour. 

      many are overpaying for a skill they should have in house 


       An hour lol

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