Reopen a very important-yet under-discussed Direct Mail Flaw

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*reposting because I wish I came across it when I first started out, and I have a good update with a number breakdown

(8/6/18)

Hey Texas BP,

I want to take a second to discuss a very undervalued and underrated topic-- Lists Leads.

It's common knowledge that the list of leads you hunt, (or hopefully direct market to), are the most important part of marketing, yet it seems to be the most neglected thing in marketing. I see all investors flooding the market place with Listsource leads or other common leads, when it would behoove the investor to spend whatever amount of money that makes sense to get the highest of quality leads.

My 2 and half years of birddogging in the Houston Market has allowed me to fully understand how to get the highest quality leads. I have become known in my niche as the guy who provides the value with the leads I provide and the lists I bring. It helps me to network and provide value to other investors I network with.

With all of those perks being discussed, let's take a look at the math on the marketing side:

Let's use 2 hypothetical lists for example:

1) My scrubbed list of probates to check the probate records for "real property being inherited" and a different mailing address for the applicant and the inherited or soon to be inherited property.

2) A random list pulled from ListSource containing certain criteria of out of state absentee and 90% or more equity in the house.

List 1:

mailing 1000x5 times with a postcard costing $.50 ($2,500) (hypothetically let's say 80% of these leads have motivation) ($500 is in vain)

List 2:

same $2500, except only 50% of these leads have motivation of some sort, so there's more tire kickers and less potential. ($1250 will be in vain)

With this math, the value of a great list will be worth at the very least $750 plus value in the market place, more concentrated motivation, and much less tire kickers.

What does the BP community think?

I'll end this long discussion by asking everyone not only what they think, but what are their experiences with lists and leads and wasting potential money on marketing?

Thanks BP!

[Jerryll Noorden]

It's common knowledge that the list of leads you hunt, (or hopefully direct market to), are the most important part of marketing,

I have to disagree...

A ranking website is THE most important part of marketing.

Cheaper, WAY more effective

WAY higher quality of leads,

It's continuous effortless marketing.

There is no other marketing method that beats this... to date (in my opinion)

Every single lead I get (about 30 a week), do NOT show up in any list.

My latest  deal is from a guy in his early 20's, bought a 315K house in cash. Destroyed the carpets and the kitchen island and sold it to me for 190K.

He has owned the  house for 6 months.

This dude would not have showed u in any of the list with the normal filter criteria.

Like the MLS, these lists targets people that EVERYONE is targeting. The best deals are those that no one has access to. Those... I get!

for free!

before that?... bought a 1300 square foot all brick house for 5K. Not going to show up in any list for the same reasons.