Memphis Experience with James Wachob (Foundation Property Management / TurnkeyInvest)

Memphis Experience with James Wachob (Foundation Property Management / TurnkeyInvest)

Real Estate Investor · Encinitas, CA · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 14 votes

I really wish I had seen a detailed review of Foundation Property Management (FPM) or TurnkeyInvest here on BiggerPockets before signing on with them several years ago. I ended up entrusting five properties to their management, and I know of two other out-of-state investors who used them as well. While our stories vary slightly, a clear pattern emerged. 

Bottom line: There may be large monthly cash flows, but they won’t be going into your pocket :(

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To be fair, James Wachob and his team are pleasant to work with. They respond quickly, and appear to listen to your concerns. However, in my opinion, their processes and incentives are misaligned with an investor’s best interests. As a result, I eventually moved all my properties to other management companies.

Two Main Problems with Foundation Property Management (FPM)

  1. Exceedingly Poor Tenant Screening
    • -Out of my five properties, four ended in evictions due to the tenants ceasing to pay rent. While evictions are part of the business, that rate is far beyond normal.
    • -After the second eviction, I specifically asked FPM to focus on tenants with better credit scores, even if it took longer to find someone. Despite this, they placed a tenant with a 530 credit score, who paid one month’s rent (FPM collected their 50% commission) and the tenant never paid again. Considering a 530 credit score is among the worst 8% of Americans, this was a glaring red flag. My 10 year old nephew could screen tenants better than FPM.
    • -Before each eviction, FPM sends a polished video claiming they’ll pursue the tenant in court and recover lost rent. Unfortunately, after years and multiple legal fees, I never recovered a single penny.
    • -One particularly disappointing eviction involved a contractor who worked for FPM. Initially, I thought this would be an ideal tenant, but after I switched management companies, that tenant/contractor stopped paying rent. When I contacted James Wachob, he downplayed her connection to FPM and implied he might have helped if I’d stayed with them. In my opinion, it’s a terrible look when someone affiliated with a property management company doesn’t pay rent—and the owner won’t step in.
  2. High Turnover Costs
    • -My properties often required expensive turnover work, frequently due to evictions and poor tenant quality.
    • -In one instance, I spent over $6,000 on a turnover before a new tenant moved in. After just one year, when that tenant vacated, FPM charged an additional $2,800 in turnover costs, with $770 earmarked just for touching up paint on a single wall—borderline comical.
    • -What’s particularly concerning is that poor tenant placement and high eviction rates don’t significantly hurt FPM’s bottom line. While they do lose a small monthly management fee during a vacancy, they instead collect high profits from turnover charges and leasing fees for each new tenant. I'm not saying they do this intentionally, but as Charlie Munger famously said, “Show me the incentives and I’ll show you the outcome.”

Takeaways

Based on my experiences—and those of two other investors I know—please approach Foundation Property Management and TurnkeyInvest with caution. If you do consider working with them, make sure to:

  • Conduct thorough due diligence.
  • Factor in higher-than-usual turnover costs and eviction rates.
  • Understand their incentives and fee structures.

Or, you might save yourself the frustration and look for a different company. This post reflects my personal experiences and opinions, so always do your own research before making any final decisions.

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
3mo
Quote from @Ed O.:

The simple truth: most turn key operators are trash.  Sorry you got torched.


this is not all that unusual for section 8 in a market in the deep south. just sayin.. rentals that attract section 8 this is a fairly common scenario at least with the non pay of their portion and rough on the houses. Very unstable group of folks generaly speaking when you have a single mom with kiddos and multiple baby daddys.
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  • Jordan RayBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Memphis, TN · Member since 2023 · 642 posts · 337 votes
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  • New to Real Estate · Member since 2019 · 48 posts · 43 votes
    1y

    I'm sorry you had such a negative experience.  Thanks for sharing and providing awareness!

  • Investor · Camas, WA · Member since 2023 · 3 posts · 7 votes
    3mo

    Hi Max. I'm not on here very often but I have had a very poor experience with FPM. Who did you end up making the switch over to?

    They placed a tenant that was section 8 into my property (Tenant was already in the property before I took over the lease). It started out fine and then month by month, missed rent from her portion here and there, it started to add up. The tenant eventually filed for bankruptcy and I don't expected I'll get anything almost a year later. The move out damage came out to over $8K if I recall. I hired my own personal handyman that my brother uses. He's probably the most humble and honest person. He was able to fix all the damage from the tenant at $1,700. I gave him an extra $300 for his exceptional work, communication and honesty (if you need him, let me know). What's worse is the 8K quote from FPM included frivolous line items like a satellite removal and a new cage for the A/C. My handyman inspected the house and found the cage in normal condition and there was no satellite to be removed. Like you said, their prices to touch up or fix small items was outrageous. 

    Upon fixing my property, the handyman got a chance to speak to the neighbors who were glad to see the tenant leave. They apparently would have 15-20 people staying in this property (5bd/2.5 bath ~1,900 sqft) at a time. The lease was for a mother and several children. 

    My next tenant took over 2 months to place. She was fine at but hasn't paid any of the utilities when I switched my name over to hers. She recently missed a partial payment of rent. When I press FPM about it, they would tell me she "has no money."

    Their tenant screening is a nightmare, trying to get answers is like pulling teeth. Amy gives incredibly short email responses and I start to feel like I'm nagging to know what's going on. They don't go out of their way to communicate with you. 

    I'm currently looking for a new PM as my choice words in my most recent emails didn't sit well with them. If you are considering FPM, press them hard on their tenant selection and how they go after tenants who are missing payments. 

    • Drew SygitBusiness Member
      Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
      3mo
      Quote from @Firas Basha:

      Hi Max. I'm not on here very often but I have had a very poor experience with FPM. Who did you end up making the switch over to?

      They placed a tenant that was section 8 into my property (Tenant was already in the property before I took over the lease). It started out fine and then month by month, missed rent from her portion here and there, it started to add up. The tenant eventually filed for bankruptcy and I don't expected I'll get anything almost a year later. The move out damage came out to over $8K if I recall. I hired my own personal handyman that my brother uses. He's probably the most humble and honest person. He was able to fix all the damage from the tenant at $1,700. I gave him an extra $300 for his exceptional work, communication and honesty (if you need him, let me know). What's worse is the 8K quote from FPM included frivolous line items like a satellite removal and a new cage for the A/C. My handyman inspected the house and found the cage in normal condition and there was no satellite to be removed. Like you said, their prices to touch up or fix small items was outrageous. 

      Upon fixing my property, the handyman got a chance to speak to the neighbors who were glad to see the tenant leave. They apparently would have 15-20 people staying in this property (5bd/2.5 bath ~1,900 sqft) at a time. The lease was for a mother and several children. 

      My next tenant took over 2 months to place. She was fine at but hasn't paid any of the utilities when I switched my name over to hers. She recently missed a partial payment of rent. When I press FPM about it, they would tell me she "has no money."

      Their tenant screening is a nightmare, trying to get answers is like pulling teeth. Amy gives incredibly short email responses and I start to feel like I'm nagging to know what's going on. They don't go out of their way to communicate with you. 

      I'm currently looking for a new PM as my choice words in my most recent emails didn't sit well with them. If you are considering FPM, press them hard on their tenant selection and how they go after tenants who are missing payments. 


      How many questions did you ask them about their screening process, maintenance procedures, etc. BEFORE hiring them?

      The first question TOO MANY investors ask us when they call is about pricing!
      Very LITTLE about how we execute our services:(

      Well, you get what you pay for.

    • Investor · Camas, WA · Member since 2023 · 3 posts · 7 votes
      3mo
      Quote from @Drew Sygit:
      Quote from @Firas Basha:

      Hi Max. I'm not on here very often but I have had a very poor experience with FPM. Who did you end up making the switch over to?

      They placed a tenant that was section 8 into my property (Tenant was already in the property before I took over the lease). It started out fine and then month by month, missed rent from her portion here and there, it started to add up. The tenant eventually filed for bankruptcy and I don't expected I'll get anything almost a year later. The move out damage came out to over $8K if I recall. I hired my own personal handyman that my brother uses. He's probably the most humble and honest person. He was able to fix all the damage from the tenant at $1,700. I gave him an extra $300 for his exceptional work, communication and honesty (if you need him, let me know). What's worse is the 8K quote from FPM included frivolous line items like a satellite removal and a new cage for the A/C. My handyman inspected the house and found the cage in normal condition and there was no satellite to be removed. Like you said, their prices to touch up or fix small items was outrageous. 

      Upon fixing my property, the handyman got a chance to speak to the neighbors who were glad to see the tenant leave. They apparently would have 15-20 people staying in this property (5bd/2.5 bath ~1,900 sqft) at a time. The lease was for a mother and several children. 

      My next tenant took over 2 months to place. She was fine at but hasn't paid any of the utilities when I switched my name over to hers. She recently missed a partial payment of rent. When I press FPM about it, they would tell me she "has no money."

      Their tenant screening is a nightmare, trying to get answers is like pulling teeth. Amy gives incredibly short email responses and I start to feel like I'm nagging to know what's going on. They don't go out of their way to communicate with you. 

      I'm currently looking for a new PM as my choice words in my most recent emails didn't sit well with them. If you are considering FPM, press them hard on their tenant selection and how they go after tenants who are missing payments. 


      How many questions did you ask them about their screening process, maintenance procedures, etc. BEFORE hiring them?

      The first question TOO MANY investors ask us when they call is about pricing!
      Very LITTLE about how we execute our services:(

      Well, you get what you pay for.


      The problem is they tell you what you want to hear. Telling you something is one thing but executing is another. 

    • Drew SygitBusiness Member
      Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
      3mo
      Quote from @Firas Basha:
      Quote from @Drew Sygit:
      Quote from @Firas Basha:

      Hi Max. I'm not on here very often but I have had a very poor experience with FPM. Who did you end up making the switch over to?

      They placed a tenant that was section 8 into my property (Tenant was already in the property before I took over the lease). It started out fine and then month by month, missed rent from her portion here and there, it started to add up. The tenant eventually filed for bankruptcy and I don't expected I'll get anything almost a year later. The move out damage came out to over $8K if I recall. I hired my own personal handyman that my brother uses. He's probably the most humble and honest person. He was able to fix all the damage from the tenant at $1,700. I gave him an extra $300 for his exceptional work, communication and honesty (if you need him, let me know). What's worse is the 8K quote from FPM included frivolous line items like a satellite removal and a new cage for the A/C. My handyman inspected the house and found the cage in normal condition and there was no satellite to be removed. Like you said, their prices to touch up or fix small items was outrageous. 

      Upon fixing my property, the handyman got a chance to speak to the neighbors who were glad to see the tenant leave. They apparently would have 15-20 people staying in this property (5bd/2.5 bath ~1,900 sqft) at a time. The lease was for a mother and several children. 

      My next tenant took over 2 months to place. She was fine at but hasn't paid any of the utilities when I switched my name over to hers. She recently missed a partial payment of rent. When I press FPM about it, they would tell me she "has no money."

      Their tenant screening is a nightmare, trying to get answers is like pulling teeth. Amy gives incredibly short email responses and I start to feel like I'm nagging to know what's going on. They don't go out of their way to communicate with you. 

      I'm currently looking for a new PM as my choice words in my most recent emails didn't sit well with them. If you are considering FPM, press them hard on their tenant selection and how they go after tenants who are missing payments. 


      How many questions did you ask them about their screening process, maintenance procedures, etc. BEFORE hiring them?

      The first question TOO MANY investors ask us when they call is about pricing!
      Very LITTLE about how we execute our services:(

      Well, you get what you pay for.


      The problem is they tell you what you want to hear. Telling you something is one thing but executing is another. 


      What do you think of our standard advice below?

      ____________________________________

      In our experience, the #1 mistake owners make is ASSUMING all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.

      So, owners mistakenly think price is the only differentiator – and look for a PMC like they’d shop for groceries☹

      We encourage you to learn from the mistakes of others by reading posts here on BiggerPockets from owners that picked a PMC solely by price and regretted it.

      We recommend exploring as many sources as possible to get referrals AND cross-reference them to get as much accurate information as possible.

      Check out NARPM.com, BP’s Property Manager Finder (BiggerPockets: The Real Estate Investing Social Network), etc.

      Even if someone gives you a referral, do NOT make the mistake of assuming that just because a PMC met their expectations, they’ll meet your expectations. We all have our own expectations and what works for someone else, may not work for you.

      If you’re new to all of this, it's often a case of not doing enough research, as you don't know what you don't know!

      So, ask more questions!

      EXAMPLE: PMC states they will handle tenant screening – what does that specifically mean? What documents do they require, what credit scores do they allow, how do they verify previous rental history, etc.? You’d be shocked by how little actual screening many PMC’s do!

      This also leads owners to ASSUME simpler is better when it comes to management contracts.

      The reality is the opposite - if it's not in writing then the PMC doesn't have to provide the service or can charge extra for it!

      A well written management contract should clearly spell out what is expected of both the PMC and the owner, to PROTECT both and avoid misunderstandings. Why do you think purchase contracts are so long and have such small print?

      We recommend you get management contracts from several PMCs and compare the services they cover and, more importantly, what they each DO NOT cover.

      EDUCATE YOURSELF - yes, it will take time, but will lead to a selection that better meets your expectations & avoids potentially costly surprises!

      P.S. If you just hire the cheapest or first PMC you speak with and it turns into a bad experience, please don’t assume ALL PMC’s are bad and start trashing PMC’s in general. Take ownership of your mistake and learn to do the proper due diligence recommended above😊

      Here’s some articles we’ve contributed to BiggerPockets about screening a PMC BETTER than you would a tenant!

      20 Questions to Ask When Vetting a Property Management Company: Processes

      13 Questions to Ask to a PMC: Communication and Documentation

      24 Questions to Ask When Evaluating a Property Management Contract


  • Investor · Statewide, MO · Member since 2011 · 824 posts · 430 votes
    3mo

    The simple truth: most turn key operators are trash.  Sorry you got torched.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      3mo
      Quote from @Ed O.:

      The simple truth: most turn key operators are trash.  Sorry you got torched.


      this is not all that unusual for section 8 in a market in the deep south. just sayin.. rentals that attract section 8 this is a fairly common scenario at least with the non pay of their portion and rough on the houses. Very unstable group of folks generaly speaking when you have a single mom with kiddos and multiple baby daddys.
  • Investor · Statewide, MO · Member since 2011 · 824 posts · 430 votes
    3mo

    @Jay Hinrichs

    I totally understand - Section 8 is a lot of work and significant time to keep units running. Additional wear and tear, bonus drama - yep. I started in Section 8 rentals. They're a flat tire away from not making their rent payments. 

    With that said, there is a consistent pattern of turn key providers, paired with low end PMCs who rent to the first person that can pay the SD and first month. 

    From that, they take half or all of the first month, 10% of receipts after that (if any) and nice margins on the house when they have to to a makeready 6 months later (allowing for 3 months unpaid and 2-3 months for eviction). 

    But those numbers sure looked AMAZING on paper. 

    It's one thing to stumble and fall when self owning and self managing - that's cutting teeth and the school of hard knocks. It's borderline criminal (in my opinion) to sell this dream at scale (boasting of experience, great property managing partners, top notch contractors) while fleecing and setting up newbs to fall on their faces. We see these posts too frequently here. 

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      3mo
      Quote from @Ed O.:

      @Jay Hinrichs

      I totally understand - Section 8 is a lot of work and significant time to keep units running. Additional wear and tear, bonus drama - yep. I started in Section 8 rentals. They're a flat tire away from not making their rent payments. 

      With that said, there is a consistent pattern of turn key providers, paired with low end PMCs who rent to the first person that can pay the SD and first month. 

      From that, they take half or all of the first month, 10% of receipts after that (if any) and nice margins on the house when they have to to a makeready 6 months later (allowing for 3 months unpaid and 2-3 months for eviction). 

      But those numbers sure looked AMAZING on paper. 

      It's one thing to stumble and fall when self owning and self managing - that's cutting teeth and the school of hard knocks. It's borderline criminal (in my opinion) to sell this dream at scale (boasting of experience, great property managing partners, top notch contractors) while fleecing and setting up newbs to fall on their faces. We see these posts too frequently here. 


      in my mind any residential rentals below A and B grade are going to take work to keep running.. I know in my bizz when I started as a HML in the mid 80s even then basically 100% of my investors were burnt out landlords they liked the monthly checks tired of tenants trash toilets you know the 3 ts . Lending has its own risks of course but not near the daily drama of landlording C and D class takes a certain personality in my mind to really do residential rentals.

      Lastly a lot of investors that can afford to buy these type of units have no conception of how the renter class in many parts of the US lives their lives.. they just dont understand how they can put in brand new carpet and in one year its destroyed.. never happens in their personal homes  :)

  • Real Estate Investor · Encinitas, CA · Member since 2015 · 5 posts · 14 votes
    3mo

    Hi Firas Basha,

    Sorry to hear about your experience as well.  I moved a couple properties to Advantage property management, and then let my real estate agent manage a couple through Keller Williams.  They have all been managed a lot better than FPM ever did.

    Yes, I would like to have your contractor info just in case.  Thanks!

  • Member since 2024 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    3mo

    I second that..... Advantage Property Management has been very responsive, selective with tenant placement and communicative with my properties. I would recommend you giving them a look. 

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