Owners with multiple PMs: how do you keep one clean view across statements?

Owners with multiple PMs: how do you keep one clean view across statements?

Investor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2018 · 195 posts · 82 votes

For those of you using more than one property manager across markets, how do you keep one clean picture of the whole portfolio?

Every PM seems to send a different statement format, a different definition of net to owner, and a different fee schedule, so comparing them or knowing the true monthly number takes real work.

Curious what people actually do. Spreadsheet you rebuild each month, exporting and normalizing, or something else? And for those with 2 or 3 PMs, what is the one thing that still does not line up no matter what you try?

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Investor · NV and CA · Member since 2016 · 373 posts · 227 votes
3mo

@Eduardo Cavasotti- I review each statement for each property every month, but Quickbooks provides the "bottom line" cash flow for each property whenever needed.  You would need to get a QB subscription that allows you to put the properties into different classes, and then run a cash flow statement by class.  This shows rent received per property, expenses incurred, and net cash flow.  It also adds up the numbers on the right side for a whole-portfolio perspective.

However, Quickbooks doesn't import all of the data from the property manager.  It only downloads the rent received and any expenses you incurred outside of property management per your bank account transactions.  If you wanted to download everything together - property management transactions and expenses that you pay on your own - you could try Stessa.  Last I checked, Stessa only pulls data from PM's using Appfolio.

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  • Investor · NV and CA · Member since 2016 · 373 posts · 227 votes
    3mo

    @Eduardo Cavasotti- I review each statement for each property every month, but Quickbooks provides the "bottom line" cash flow for each property whenever needed.  You would need to get a QB subscription that allows you to put the properties into different classes, and then run a cash flow statement by class.  This shows rent received per property, expenses incurred, and net cash flow.  It also adds up the numbers on the right side for a whole-portfolio perspective.

    However, Quickbooks doesn't import all of the data from the property manager.  It only downloads the rent received and any expenses you incurred outside of property management per your bank account transactions.  If you wanted to download everything together - property management transactions and expenses that you pay on your own - you could try Stessa.  Last I checked, Stessa only pulls data from PM's using Appfolio.

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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3mo
    We put everything into our accounting system and adjust it accordingly. Yes, it is a pain, and yes, it takes some additional work. We also may speak to specific property managers to see if they could code things differently. At the end of the day, it's just all going into our accounting system based on how we want to code it so we can easily see and track and manage across the portfolio.
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  • Investor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2018 · 195 posts · 82 votes
    3mo

    Ryan and Chris, this is the split I keep running into.

    QB classes or an accounting system can show the property result once the data is normalized, but they do not solve the intake problem when one PM sends AppFolio lines, another sends a PDF, and another books fees differently.

    The part that breaks is not the final P and L. It is getting every rent line, repair, fee, reserve movement, and owner paid expense into the same shape before you trust the portfolio number.

  • Jake BakerBusiness Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · San Diego, CA · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 695 votes
    3mo

    @Eduardo Cavasotti

    QuickBooks is the best solution for aggregating property management statements into the balance sheet. I'm not sure Stessa offers balance sheet capabilities, and you would need one for this situation.

    A QBO Plus subscription allows you to separate by class (properties). You would need to import each property management statement into an asset account. Think of your property management account in QuickBooks like a checking account, where transactions flow in and out. When an owner draw from your property management account deposits to your checking account, this will be recorded as a transfer in QBO. This way, you can track all of the expenses that flow in and out of your property management that you would not account for otherwise.

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  • Investor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2018 · 195 posts · 82 votes
    3mo

    QuickBooks is the accounting layer. Useful once the data is already clean.

    The harder problem in this thread is owner side asset management: every PM portal, statement, bank deposit, repair bill, fee, and exception has to land in one owner view.

    Full disclosure, my company DoorVault is built for exactly that. We have over $18M in real estate under oversight, and Knox automates the intake, reconciliation, filing, and exception review across multiple PMs.

  • Jimmy LieuBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2019 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3mo
    Quote from @Eduardo Cavasotti:

    For those of you using more than one property manager across markets, how do you keep one clean picture of the whole portfolio?

    Every PM seems to send a different statement format, a different definition of net to owner, and a different fee schedule, so comparing them or knowing the true monthly number takes real work.

    Curious what people actually do. Spreadsheet you rebuild each month, exporting and normalizing, or something else? And for those with 2 or 3 PMs, what is the one thing that still does not line up no matter what you try?

    Hi Eduardo, once you get beyond one property manager, I think having your own reporting system becomes almost mandatory. I've found that relying on each PM's statements makes it really hard to compare performance because everyone categorizes income and expenses differently. Most investors I know end up creating a simple spreadsheet or dashboard where they enter the same key numbers each month for every property: rent collected, vacancy, maintenance, PM fees, and actual cash flow. That way you're comparing apples to apples regardless of how the PM reports it. The one thing that never seems to line up perfectly is maintenance and repair expenses. Some managers classify charges differently, some bill pass-through vendor costs separately, and some deduct items before owner distributions while others don't. "Net to owner" can mean completely different things depending on the PM. For me, the most useful metric has been tracking actual cash deposited into my account and then backing out any owner-paid expenses separately. It's a little more work up front, but it gives a much clearer picture of how each property and manager are really performing over time.
  • Investor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2018 · 195 posts · 82 votes
    3mo

    Jimmy, exactly: maintenance classification, pass through vendor costs, owner paid expenses, and net to owner all break differently across PMs, so the investor ends up rebuilding the truth by hand.

    DoorVault fixes that by treating the PM statement, PM portal, bank deposit, and document packet as one record, not four separate chores.

    Knox pulls the owner visible portal data, reads every statement line, matches it to the deposit, files the backup, and flags anything that does not tie out.

    The PM runs the property while DoorVault verifies the portfolio.

  • Simon W.Business Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Lehigh Valley PA & New York City · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 659 votes
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    Different PM statements are why portfolios end up with three definitions of "net."

    I normalize everything into one chart of accounts and one property/entity dimension model. Map each PM's fee and income lines into the same categories, keep property tags consistent even when the PM labels units differently, post owner contributions and distributions the same way every month, reconcile each PM's cash activity to the actual bank movement, and build portfolio reports from the books instead of stacking PDFs.

    Spreadsheets are fine as a temporary bridge. They are a bad permanent system of record. The goal isn't making every PM statement look identical. It's making your books identical so portfolio cash, entity liability, and property performance all tell the same story.

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