Nightmare Condo Association- What to ask before you buy

Nightmare Condo Association- What to ask before you buy

Kerri ForrestPro Member
Member since 2022 · 2 posts · 5 votes

Hi everyone, I'm sharing this horror story to hopefully help other new investors, particularly those who are doing BRRR. I recently purchased a beautiful condo in a gorgeous location using a conventional 30 year fixed. My strategy is to live here 3 years, do some minor upgrades, then rent it out and purchase my next property. What I wasn't expecting is the COA is a DISASTER. No money in savings, roof is due for replacement, the previous administration cut a lot of corners, AND there's a hostile neighbor. Now, while some of this was unavoidable because the association did not provide factual documentation, and didn't disclose the rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul atmosphere of not requiring owners to pay their association assessments on time and in full, I am sharing what, in hindsight, I would have done differently:
1. In addition to asking for the last 2 years of meeting minutes and the bylaws, I would have asked for financial statements. If I'd had access I would have seen the discrepancy in the association assessments, among other things. 

2. I would have talked to the neighbors. I could have possibly gotten a heads up on the hostile neighbor. 

3. I would have asked how recently were the master deed and bylaws updated to sync with state law. My property was built in 2003. Although there were mentions of changes in the meeting minutes, none were filed with the secretary of state's office. In addition, many of the old provisions needed to be updated. 

4. I would have asked when the last reserve study was completed. It's pretty obvious that there hasn't been one since the association's inception which means the past administration was not being clear eyed about the future and the buck got passed ... to me and the other new, unaware owners. 

5. Tied to #4, making sure the insurance policies have enough coverage. The replacement cost 5 years ago v the replacement cost today, particularly in a market like Charleston, can have a significant bearing on the policy costs. 

There's more but I'd be curious to hear what others have encountered. The funny thing is, when I spoke with my realtor about the situation (post - close) and asked her what additional due diligence should have been done, she said, "you asked more questions than most of my clients." Scary to think that I thought I was doing my research and I still missed some big red flags. 

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Rod HanksBusiness Member
Insurance Agent · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 743 posts · 462 votes
6mo

Congrats on the purchase—even with the headache, you’ll learn more from this than most investors ever do.

You actually did more due diligence than most, which says a lot about how tricky HOAs/COAs can be. I’d add a few more things for anyone reading this: always review the current budget vs. actuals (not just financials), check delinquency rates (huge red flag if high), look for any pending special assessments or lawsuits, and verify reserve funding vs. upcoming capital expenses. Also, call the insurance agent on the master policy directly—don’t just trust the certificate.

Condos can work, but weak associations will crush your returns fast. Appreciate you sharing this—this is exactly the kind of lesson people need to hear before they buy.

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  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6mo

    As a now retired PM that was Managing Agent for multiple Condo/HOA's over a ten year period, I can tell you some horror stories!

    I try to always inform when anyone mentions the dreaded C word here, but rarely get any request for further info. You are correct, the Association Financials are critical, but most important are the actual Annual Operating Budget and the Reserve funding Plan for the current year. Reserve Studies are great, but keep in mind that a certain amount of the info in them comes from the project's own Board. Also, estimated costs of individual elements are often not realistic, for a variety of reasons; and the remaining life of elements is often "adjusted" to help the Board achieve their desired results of NOT increasing the monthly fees. Of course, this is contrary to their mandate, which is to "maintain, protect, and preserve ALL common elements", and plan the budget and reserve funding to accommodate that goal.

  • Rod HanksBusiness Member
    Insurance Agent · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 743 posts · 462 votes
    6mo

    Congrats on the purchase—even with the headache, you’ll learn more from this than most investors ever do.

    You actually did more due diligence than most, which says a lot about how tricky HOAs/COAs can be. I’d add a few more things for anyone reading this: always review the current budget vs. actuals (not just financials), check delinquency rates (huge red flag if high), look for any pending special assessments or lawsuits, and verify reserve funding vs. upcoming capital expenses. Also, call the insurance agent on the master policy directly—don’t just trust the certificate.

    Condos can work, but weak associations will crush your returns fast. Appreciate you sharing this—this is exactly the kind of lesson people need to hear before they buy.

    Rod Hanks Insurance4.9155 Reviews
  • Real Estate Agent · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6mo

    In Chicago we have a lot of bad condos. If you exclude all the buildings with elevators or doormen, all the old boiler buildings and go for simple low rise buildings it can work much better as those buildings have less running costs. The money has to come from somewhere when have big ticket amenities.

  • Lender · Charleston, SC · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6mo

    This is completely anecdotal and completely my personal opinion, but I hate condos. I would never buy one. They rarely make good investments. It's not random that lenders are reducing exposure to condos. 

    Hopefully your deal works out for you.

  • Lender · TX · Member since 2026 · 164 posts · 67 votes
    4mo

    This is a great reminder that when you buy a condo, you’re not just buying the unit—you’re buying into the association as well.

    A lot of investors spend hours analyzing the property itself but only a few minutes reviewing the COA/HOA. Sometimes the association ends up being the bigger risk.

    A few additional things I’d add to your due diligence list:

    • Delinquency rate on association dues
    • Pending or recent special assessments
    • Current and pending litigation involving the association
    • Reserve funding percentage versus reserve study recommendations
    • Major capital expenditures expected in the next 3–5 years
    • Rental restrictions and proposed rule changes
    • Insurance claims history

    The reserve study point is especially important. An association with low reserves can appear fine on the surface right up until owners get hit with a large special assessment for roofs, siding, parking lots, plumbing, or insurance shortfalls.

    I also agree with talking to neighbors. Meeting minutes and financial statements tell one story; residents often tell another. A 10-minute conversation with a few owners can reveal management issues, difficult board members, deferred maintenance, or ongoing disputes that may never show up in official documents.

    Appreciate you sharing this. Stories like yours can save newer investors from learning an expensive lesson after closing.

  • MD/DC · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4mo

    Appreciate you sharing this information and your experience. I'm curious did the exterior and common areas appear well maintained? 

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4mo

    @Jules Aton, For condo/HOA properties, appearances often will reveal more serious issues, but are certainly not enough to use as go/no go basis. This is especially true if you, or whoever is walking the property for you, has limited experience in facilities maintenance and construction. You must understand the Reserve Funding plan, and whether or not it is accurate enough, or complete enough, to ensure there will be no "Special Assessments" in your future. Also, the DCC&R's will reveal current restrictions, if any, on rentals, but more importantly will spell out how easy or difficult it is for those restrictions to change at the whim of the Board.

    Never compare monthly fees with another project, and never base decisions on what any Managing or Sales Agent, Board Member, or a Relative tells you about a project. Read and understand the current docs.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    4mo

    90-99% sure the law requires you be given those financials and a few days look them over. They are also a valid reason to bail on a deal and get your EMD back, at least in NV and I'd assume most of the US.

    Did you just skip over the financials or did your realtor/title company fail you by not providing them?

    ps. “The google” says:  

    In South Carolina, the standard condo contract review period for HOA and financial documents is 3 to 6 business days. This timeframe, often part of an "HOA Resale Contingency," allows you to cancel the contract and get your earnest money back if the financials are unacceptable


    It does say lower down that South Carolina doesn’t have a strict legal requirement but the standard South Carolina realtor’s contract includes the requirement.  So if you used a realtor you got hosed if you didn’t get the financials including balances pre-purchase, you chose not to read them or not to use a realtor and standard contract?  
     
    pps. Just another upside to SFR over MF.

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4mo

    True enough, in most jurisdictions they must be made available...but can be at a cost of several hundred dollars which many people forego to "cut expenses of the purchase". Even so, lots of people do get the docs, but either A) have their Agent or some other "pro" tell them about potential problems (very few people, regardless of their supposed "expertise", really know what Reserve Funding plans and operating budgets actually reveal), or B) Scan them briefly, with eyes glazing over. The numbers are too complicated, and they are unconcerned because it "looks like" the project has a large bank balance, so they "must be good"; or C) they don't bother to look at anything beyond what the monthly fee is. That is the bar that is go/no go point. They have no clue that the project is due for exterior painting, new roof, and an elevator modernization that will destroy the bank balance AND result in multiple thousands of dollars in Special Assessment. 

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