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How I Bought a 10-plex with 1.5% Down – Case Study

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I’ve discussed the concept of Expandability in several of my past articles.  I also discussed in BiggerPockets Podcast 14.  Just to recap:

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Expandability – any tool, technique, term, or approach implementation of which allows an investor to either improve upon the investment returns on a given investment or portfolio of investments, or to facilitate a transaction which would otherwise not be possible. 

Since I would rather not to speak in hypothetical terms, in this article I will provide you with an example – let’s call it the Symphony Drive Deal (this is the transaction I mentioned in Podcast 14).

The principals and application of expandability cover everything from financing clauses, to physical repairs, closing dates, income expandability and management efficiencies.  However, within the confines of this article I will only focus on two aspects: down-payment requirement, and the income potential.

Why the Down Payment

As I indicated in the above definition, aspects of expandability serve two main purposes, one of which is to enhance returns, and the other is two facilitate transactions.  I think everyone reading this would agree that the down-payment requirement is one of, if not the most debilitating requirement in any transaction.  We would all do more deals and attempt bigger transactions if access to capital was unlimited.  In fact, if you could finance every deal 100%, then in principal you could do an unlimited number of deals – wouldn’t you agree?

Thus, any circumstance which limits our exposure to the down-payment requirement can and should be seen as an expandability item since it facilitates the deal which might otherwise be out of reach.  Furthermore, although this should not be relied upon as the definitive metric of worth in any transaction, the math does indeed bear out the reality that the less the down-payment the higher the cash on cash return.

Related: To Leverage or Not to Leverage – This Is the Question

Why the Income Expandability

Those of us who buy income-producing real estate do so for one reason – income.  Income is ultimately what creates worth and establishes value in an income-producing acquisition; we are buying a revenue stream represented by the real estate.  Income and capacity to expand income is what this is all about for me and many of you.  Therefore, any conversation relative to expandability has to address income.

Additionally, although in a distant second place, one fortunate side-effect of expandability as it relates to income is that by improving the NOI we effectively back into a higher valuation, which has great implications for our investment returns.  Therefore, in context of a fairly short article which requires that I isolate the most pertinent points, it seems appropriate to discuss expandability as it relates to income.

Related: Why Forced Appreciation Makes Multi-Family Investing Better, Hands Down

A Bit of Background

The Symphony Deal is a 10-unit apartment building, actually two 5-units sitting next to one another.  I closed on this deal on February 4th, 2013.  The buildings were built in 1980.  They are situated in a desirable area – I will not discuss the definition of “desirable” here since I addressed this in some detail in an earlier article entitled It’s Not My Fault They Keep Trashing My Unit – Actually It Is.

These are 2-story buildings.  The units are all-electric.  Both electric and water services are separately metered.  Both buildings showed some amount of delayed maintenance, but most of it was cosmetic.  However, there were a few plumbing issues to be addressed right away as well as the shingles on one of the buildings were original and needed to be replaced in short order.

How it Came to Be

I first became aware of this opportunity about nine months prior to closing when a local Realtor brought me the deal.  This was not a listed property – the realtor was trying to help out a friend who needed out.  At that time, the asking price was about $475,000.  The three of us met to discuss options.

Food for Thought:  The simple reality is that in order to cater a solution to the seller’s problem I have to discover what that problem is.  Some sellers need equity, while others want income; some want out, while others desire to maximize their returns; some have emotional trauma associated with the property which may need to be addressed, while others have no emotional attachments whatsoever.  Bottom line is that in order to cater a solution I have to be face to face with the seller.  This can be difficult to accomplish when working with sales agents, but it is virtually a must in my version of real estate investing! 

Having discussed options with the seller, we were unable to come up with a workable solution.  But, we did manage to establish a good working relationship of mutual respect.

Nine months later the same realtor mentioned to me that the seller was ready to sell at a lower price than originally discussed – he wanted out!  I told her that at around $350,000 I would be interested to discuss options.

At around noon, or about an hour following this conversation, the three of us met one more time. I made the seller a verbal offer of $350,000. I knew that he had paid $400,000 a decade ago and that accepting my offer would mean walking away from equity. However, $35,000/unit was a respectable place to start based on the current income structure, condition, and tenant base and knowing that the underlying mortgage on this building would have had to have been a 20-year amortized loan, I projected by working the numbers backwards that the outstanding balance on the seller's underlying was low enough to enable him to take my offer if he chose to do so. As you know by now, in the end I met him half way at $373,500.

Food for Thought:  When structuring a deal it is usually advantageous to allow your counterpart to feel as though you have done absolutely everything that you could do in order to accommodate them.  This makes it more palatable for them to accept the outcome. There are numerous ways to structure offers in ways which ensure that the forthcoming negotiation will be perceived in this way.  In the Symphony Deal, I “gave in” considerably on the price, but my capacity to do so was teed up by my original offer being low enough.  I am never afraid to make the offer too low – and this is saying a lot from a guy who on occasion has paid more for property than I knew it to be worth.

If you ask for more upfront, you’ll have more to give back throughout the negotiation.

Financing Package

The financing package on this acquisition showcases my ever-present desire to achieve as close to 100% financing as possible.  As I mentioned earlier, not having a requirement of a down-payment, or at least not a large down-payment, enables me to do more and bigger deals than I otherwise could, which makes it an expandability item.  It is important to mention as well, because a lot of you may wonder, that even though the acquisition was practically fully financed, this was not to the detriment of the cash flow.

Most seasoned investors would agree that in a multiplex long-term hold situation the measuring stick is $100/door of cash flow – this is the level where most investors will pull the trigger.  However, while in stipulating this guideline a lot of investors assume a substantial down-payment, usually 20% – 25%, this is much too generous for my taste.  In my opinion and based on my experience a solid acquisition should cash flow minimum of $100/door under 100% financing, with expandability options to improve upon that, which, as you will see, I achieved here.

These were the numbers at the time of acquisition (rounded down to the nearest 10):

Purchase Price: $373,500

1st Mortgage (commercial portfolio loan): 70%

2nd Mortgage (private loan): 25%

Cash Down-payment: 5%

Monthly Gross Income: $5,800

Monthly Operating Costs: $2,400

Monthly NOI: $3,400

CASH FLOW:   $1,000

As you can see above, contractually I was required to contribute a cash down-payment in the amount of 5% of the purchase price, which would have been $18,675.  You should agree that this would have been a rather attractive proposition such as it was, considering that a more typical down-payment requirement for a deal like this is 25%, or $93,375.  Frankly, if you can not concede that bringing $18,675 to closing is a whole lot better than having to bring $93,375, then there is something very wrong with your thinking process…

However, as good as 5% down would have been, what you need to realize is that after proration of rents and transfer of security deposits, both of which were applied to the closing statement, all I needed was about $5,300 of cash to close.  If my math is correct, this is a bit under 1.5% of the purchase price!

About the Private Money

As you can see above, the integral piece of the financing package on the Symphony Deal, and what made it possible for me to achieve such a low down-payment, was the presence of private financing in the amount of 25% of the purchase price.  Although now is neither the time nor place to discuss private money in-depth, here are several interesting aspects that need to be addressed briefly in order to put this into context.

Process and Securitization

Bringing private money into a transaction can be accomplished in several different ways, which can include a partnership, an LLC, C-chapter Corporation, a real estate investment trust, a private or public offering REIT or another type of syndication, etc.  There are benefits and drawbacks to all.

I chose to utilize a blanket note and mortgage on this transaction, whereby in exchange for money I gave a Promissory Note which sighted 2 properties as collateral and upon which the attorney generated an “umbrella mortgage” which was entered into public record.

Why the Private Lender Went Along and Why the Bank Allowed It

It took years to establish these relationships – GET IT?

Related: I am 37 Years Old and I Love My Blanket

Expandability of Income

$1,000 of monthly passive cash flow that was there at closing was certainly good.  This amount of money makes a substantive difference in my life and likely most of your lives as well.

However, this was not why I agreed to pay $373,500 for this building.  Instead, I bought this building because I could clearly envision ways to grow the Net Operating Income from the then $3,400/moth to $4,100/month, or more – a difference to the upside of $700/month+.  Furthermore, as you will se in a moment, while in order to accomplish this I will need to re-invest some cash flow into upgrades, doing so will not create any additional on-going expense, which means that any increase of NOI will flow to the cash flow.

My purchase price of $373,500 relative to the NOI of $3,400/month represented a 10.9% CAP Rate:

CAP = Annual NOI / PURCHASE PRICE = $40,800 / $373,500 = 10.9%

Here are some of the aspects I knew I could improve upon:

  1. Based on my knowledge of the marketplace I was aware that the rent-roll of $5,800 was too low.  The apartments were rented for between $550 and $595 per month, while I believe that having been cleaned up these units can bring-in $625 – $650 per month.  This may take a few years, and will require re-investment of realized cash flow into upgrades, however I am certain that I can add $500/month to the monthly NOI of the building by improving rents, may be more!
  2. Even though the water service is separately metered to each apartment, the previous owner was paying it with the rent.  As I restructure leases and pass the expense of the water on to the tenants, which I’ve been able to do with 2 out of 10 units thus far, this will create a savings of about $150/month that will go directly to the NOI and flow through the CF.
  3. The base value upon which the property taxes are being assessed is entirely too high, resulting in an annual tax bill that is $600 – $1,000 too much.  I have filed an application with the county to reduce property taxes and I am currently waiting on a response.  I have good reason to believe that I’ll be able to recover $50/month, which will go directly to the NOI and flow through to my cash flow.

Progress Report

As of April, 2013 I’ve turned over 2 of the units.  One, as you can see in the pictures, was a complete facelift which included new flooring, new paint, new appliance package, new countertop, and updated plumbing and lighting fixtures.  The rent on this unit went from $575/month to $685/month.  And of course, the tenant now has the privilege of paying for the water they use.  Cumulatively, this constitutes a monthly NOI increase of $125!

The other unit, which happened to be in much better condition, only received a cleaning job with a few odds and ends at a total cost of under $500.  The rent went from $575/month to $625 + water, resulting in an increase of NOI of $65/month!

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All together, with just 2 out of the 10 units turned over, I’ve been able to add $190/month to the monthly NOI of the Symphony Deal.  Thus, I am very much on track to achieve $700+ increase in NOI and cash flow.

Let’s Put This in Perspective…

I’ve bought an asset which cash flowed $1,000/month for $373,500 by financing all but $5,300, and within 2 to 3 years I will improve the monthly NOI from $3,400/month to $4,100/month.  This will improve the valuation of this building to close to half a million at 10 CAP, which is the going rate in my neck of the woods for a building such as this:

Value = Annual NOI / CAP          Value = $49,200 / 10% = $492,00

And oh yeah, almost forgot – in the process I will push the cash flow up from $1,000/month to $1,700/month, which is the kind of stuff that allows a guy to retire financially free after a few years…

Food for thought: This transaction necessitated an investment of $5,300 of cash, which is easily an amount of money many people spend on coffee and lunch 5 times per week – think about this…

Life is all about choices!!!

Thoughts?

Ben has been investing in multifamily residential real estate for over a decade. An expert in creative financing, he has been a guest on numerous real estate-related podcasts, including the BiggerPockets Podcast. He was also featured on the cover of REI Wealth Monthly and is a public speaker at events across the country. Ben is the creator of Cash Flow Freedom University, the author of House Hacking, and a noted Multifamily Underwriting coach. Through his company, Source Capital LLC, Ben currently operates $40M of multifamily real estate. Learn more about him at JustAskBenWhy.com.

    Brandon Turner
    Replied over 6 years ago
    EPIC Ben! Thanks for sharing this! I’m excited to see how this one grows and becomes even more awesome. I also love the tips spaced throughout. Very cool!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Hey thanks Brandon – you think I can get half the posts you got on yours? Ladies and Gentlemen: I believe that Brandon Turner’s post from about a month ago entitled “How to Buy a Small Multi-plex” is the MOST prolific post in terms of comments on the BP Blog. This is a declaration of a friendly wager to Mr. Turner – Guys – a little help please …
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Not just comments, but valuable discussion — that’s the best part!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks for reading Josh 🙂
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Always…
    Troy
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Great article Ben! And timely! I’m currently looking at 12unit that is priced right, and any tips on increasing the monthly cash flow help me take a look at the property in another light.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks Troy! There should be more than what is there for us to pull the trigger! Thank you for reading and commenting.
    Paula Pant
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Nice deal, and congratulations on the great cash flow! By the way, I love that the “before” photo includes a pair of human legs sticking out from under the sink. That’s hilarious!
    Kirby
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Wow. It was so dark in there I hadn’t even noticed the person on the floor.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    LOL – thanks for reading Kirby
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Paula, Thank you and I thought the picture was funny too 🙂
    Lou
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Once again another epic article. Full of useful tips and information to help anyone thinking of purchasing multiplex properties. I await for the next one. Thanks.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Lou, I can tell you this – it won’t be 2430 words again LOL Thank you so much!
    Lou
    Replied over 6 years ago
    You are are welcome. So you are saying that the next article will be 4860 words long? LOL However long they are or short, they are still awesome and helpful.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    LOL Why stop there?
    michael
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Ben, well done and a great read! Have you done an article on private lenders?
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thank you Michael! , The subjects of private lending and negotiation are inseparable in my mind, and certainly much too involved for a blog post. I am considering writing an e-book on the subject which I would make available through my website. Should I? Thanks very much for reading and posting!
    Matt Weirich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Very impressive Ben! I echo Brandon…love the tips throughout! Normally articles that long seem daunting, but this one I had to keep reading to the end. Well done.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thank you so much Matt!
    Josh Rogan
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Great post Ben! I love your thinking to do more with potential properties when others are just walking away thinking there is no deal to be had. We can all stand to learn a little more and get more motivation from BP’s creative finance Jedi! Keep up the good work!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    LOL Josh – thank you! Reply Report comment
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    LOL Josh – thank you!
    Jeff Brown
    Replied over 6 years ago
    I admire and respect you, Ben. This post merely underlined why.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    I am learning Jeff. I’ve still got a long way to go. Thank you for your vote of confidence and for all of the advice! I like being a small fish in a big pond – you, my friend, are a whale! I’ll be calling 🙂
    Rob Landry
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Great stuff Ben! It’s articles like this that make me want to hit the pavement and find similar deals. P.S I would buy your e-book if you make it. Reply Report comment
    Rob Landry
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Great stuff Ben! It’s articles like this that make me want to hit the pavement and find similar deals. P.S I would buy your e-book if you make it.
    Rob Landry
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Great stuff Ben! It’s articles like this that make me want to hit the pavement and find similar deals. P.S I would buy your e-book if you make it.
    Rob Landry
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Great stuff Ben! It’s articles like this that make me want to hit the pavement and find similar deals. P.S I would buy your e-book if you make it.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks very much indeed Rob! Have you been to my website?
    Nick
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Great article Ben! Quick question….You said it took years to build the private money and banking relationships. Could you expand on that a bit? Are you saying that if Joe Blow walked in off the street with this deal to a random banker, they would never allow a second mortgage to be placed since they don’t know him?
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Yes Nick, that’s what I am saying 🙂
    Brandon Foken
    Replied over 6 years ago
    I really enjoyed the BP podcast that you were a part of – great information throughout! In addition, your business model is interesting to me so thank you for pulling back the curtains more on your business/acquisitions. Best of luck on turning over the remaining 8 properties!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thank you so much Brandon, LOL I’ve just pulled the curtains apart enough to let a bit of day light through 🙂 Just remember this – finance package has as much or more value than the real estate…
    Derek
    Replied over 6 years ago
    You might have only needed 5% towards the purchase price but you also had approx 3% in closing costs, correct? ( appraisal, legal, recording, environmental, inspection)
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Derek, No is the answer to your question. 1.5% was the amount of cash to close 🙂
    Tyrone Dollison
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks Ben Leybovich I am new to the business. I recently heard you on the podcast and just finished reading this post. I am impressed with your knowledge of the business. I appreciate you and all of the contributors of bigger pockets. Congratulations on your latest acquisition. I hope to use your advice to duplicate such a deal for myself, in the near future.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Tyrone, Thank you for your kind review of my chops 🙂 I’ve studied very hard to learn what I know. If you are a newbie, I would definitely recommend that you start smaller, may be a triplex or 4-plex. Look me up on BP – we’ll chat. Thank you for reading and commenting Tyrone!
    Ken
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Nice post Ben! Loved your podcast as well, and your other articles. I’m glad you’re willing to share your wisdom and insights with all of us. Love your attitude and approach. Please clarify: You mention that you had a 5% cash down payment due at closing, or $18,675. And you mention “the pro-ration of rents and transfer of security deposits”, which one off set the $18,675, since you only had out of pocket costs of $5300. So that is about $13,375 in rent and security deposits. With 10 units, that’s $1337.50 each. If it’s not too much to ask, could you describe this piece of it in more detail? And also, is this piece (which you may choose to describe or not) of it a typical situation at closing on a multi family? Thanks again!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Ken, Thanks very much for commenting and I appreciate that you find my words useful! You are right on with the numbers. All 10 units were rented at closing, thus I received almost all of the $5,800 of the gross, and about as much in security deposits. I also negotiated a few bucks toward some repairs, which I did not mention in the article as this amount was inconsequential 🙂 As to whether or not this is typical. I can’t speak for others, but for me it can be. My strategy at closing is teed-up by my strategy during the first 30 day of ownership. This is something I discuss in great detail in CFFU. Thank you so much Ken!
    Lear Riojas
    Replied over 6 years ago
    This is great insight, I am spending the same amount to close on a single family investment home, but I must earn deals such as this one in due time, great article.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks very much for reading Lear!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks very much for reading Lear! Reply Report comment
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks very much for reading Lear!
    Kiarash E
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Ben, Great article and very relevant to multi-family investing. Just so I understand your qualification process, here’s one follow-up question: In determining your NOI and running it by your $100/door using 100% financing assumption, do you incorporate vacancy, reserves, management cost (although you’re managing it yourself) and all these “indirect” costs in your expense calculations and then look for $100/door? Cheers!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Yes! 🙂
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Yes! 🙂
    Stuart
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks for the article. Great stuff!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thank you Stuart!
    Justin C
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Congratulations on putting together a very impressive deal, Ben!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thank you Justin 🙂
    george p.
    Replied over 6 years ago
    ben, please give regular updates. this was a great article.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Thanks for reading George! How about you lobby Josh Dorkin for a repeat podcast so we can go over the outcomes life LOL Check out this article – it’s related https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2013/05/21/tenant-or-a-professional-bum/ Have fun George. And thanks for reading!
    george p.
    Replied over 6 years ago
    i am feeling generous today, so here’s what i will do for you. I will tell josh to double…no, TRIPLE your salary. whatever he is paying you now, triple it since you did a great job explaining that deal. your x-mas present came early this year! Reply Report comment
    george p.
    Replied over 6 years ago
    i am feeling generous today, so here’s what i will do for you. I will tell josh to double…no, TRIPLE your salary. whatever he is paying you now, triple it since you did a great job explaining that deal. your x-mas present came early this year! Reply Report comment
    george p.
    Replied over 6 years ago
    i am feeling generous today, so here’s what i will do for you. I will tell josh to double…no, TRIPLE your salary. whatever he is paying you now, triple it since you did a great job explaining that deal. your x-mas present came early this year!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 6 years ago
    Hahaha Oh good – I’ve made it now! And George – what’s 0 x anything? LOL I enjoy BP. I like Josh and Brandon. I like to write. And I like to be helpful. And if somebody comes back to my website and buys my course once in a while, that’s a good thing too 🙂 Still gonna plan on retiring with RE though…lol Thanks George!
    Jeff Cold
    Replied about 6 years ago
    What a terrific article! Thank you for explaining the cap rate. The $5.300 you put down though, means that you have a gap in the security deposits. It seems like your cash flow for awhile would go into re-establishing the security deposits? I understand that not all 10 residents would leave at once, but that would make me nervous.
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied about 6 years ago
    Jeff – thanks for reading. I am not sure what you mean by “gap in security deposits”. But, I definitely knew that I’d have turn-overs. Please check out my article from today in which I give an update on this deal. Feel free to comment on that article for further discussion points 🙂 https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2013/07/17/real-estate-debt-3/#comments Let me leave you with a thought: Risk is not to be avoided – it is to be managed! Thanks so much for reading and commenting Jeff! Reply Report comment
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied about 6 years ago
    Jeff – thanks for reading. I am not sure what you mean by “gap in security deposits”. But, I definitely knew that I’d have turn-overs. Please check out my article from today in which I give an update on this deal. Feel free to comment on that article for further discussion points 🙂 https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2013/07/17/real-estate-debt-3/#comments Let me leave you with a thought: Risk is not to be avoided – it is to be managed! Thanks so much for reading and commenting Jeff!
    Barry
    Replied almost 6 years ago
    Hi Ben. Just read your terrific article. Question: how did you arrive at $1,000 per month cash flow. With 100% financing that is quite a fete. What were the financing terms?
    Barry
    Replied almost 6 years ago
    Hi Ben. Just read your terrific article. Question: how did you arrive at $1,000 per month cash flow. With 100% financing that is quite a fete. What were the financing terms?
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied almost 6 years ago
    Hi Barry, The financing package included a portfolio commercial note for 70% of purchase price which is 20-year amortized, and a private note for 25% of purchase price. I’ve been working on repositioning of this building since February and it’s looking like $1,500/mo of cash flow now. Once it’s a bit more stabilized I’ll write about it. Thanks so much for your comment!
    Adrian Tilley
    Replied over 5 years ago
    I just re-read this article…again. Very inspiring, great case study. Now I just need to find these deals!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 5 years ago
    Thanks indeed, and you will. Stop looking for deal – make deals look for you Adrian 🙂
    Cameron Benz
    Replied over 5 years ago
    Ben, Thanks for this one! I’m new to BP and have been trying to decide between flipping SFR or trying to get into apartments. This is a deal I could actually just about do in about 2 months. Though I don’t know that I’d qualify for the commercial loan. Any suggestions?
    Cameron Benz
    Replied over 5 years ago
    Ben, Thanks for this one! I’m new to BP and have been trying to decide between flipping SFR or trying to get into apartments. This is a deal I could actually just about do in about 2 months. Though I don’t know that I’d qualify for the commercial loan. Any suggestions?
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 5 years ago
    Hey Cameron, This type of a deal will require commercial or/and private financing…sorry 🙁
    Mike
    Replied over 5 years ago
    I’ve only done SFH since I’ve been investing. Wow that story has inspired me to keep reading on multi family deals and continue to learn the ins and outs of it. Hopefully everyone can explain in detail the way you do. Easy to read, easy to follow and very very well done Ben! Best of luck in the future as well!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied over 5 years ago
    Thanks and good luck Mike! And feel free to reach out 🙂
    Georges Arnaout
    Replied about 5 years ago
    I can’t believe I just read this. This is REALLY good. Ben Leybovich, your articles are very inspiring but also realistic. I love it!
    Ben Leybovich
    Replied about 5 years ago
    Thank you, Georges! Realistic – that’s in complete contrast to my good friend Brandon Turner’s articles…hahaha Thank you indeed!
    Georges Arnaout
    Replied about 5 years ago
    I can’t believe I just read this. This is REALLY good. Ben Leybovich, your articles are very inspiring but also realistic. I love it! Reply Report comment
    Cody Steck Residential Real Estate Agent from Salt Lake City, UT
    Replied almost 5 years ago
    I am interested in the terms of your private money. Are you willing to share what the terms are for repayment? As I understand, you used two other properties as collateral for this money? Is there a reason you used these other properties as collateral instead of the 10-plex?
    Ben Leybovich Rental Property Investor from Lima/Chandler, Ohio/Arizona
    Replied almost 5 years ago
    Cody – the blanket was used to make the lender in second position feel comfortable. All three, including the subject, are wrapped into the blanket. The terms: Balloon – 7 years Payment – Interest or More, escalating % starting at 7% and capping at 10%. Interestingly, I’ve got a bit over 5 years left as of this comment on 11/30/2014. However, just got an offer by one other portfolio lender to refinance the building at 80% LTV, which means that if I get a value of $350,000 – $360,000 I should be able to wrap both the existing first and second into a fully amortizing 20-year note – and lower payments to boot… Thanks indeed for asking!
    Nathan Bibb Flipper/Rehabber from Youngstown, OH
    Replied almost 5 years ago
    Hi Ben. I have one simple question. We’re both in OH, I’m in Youngstown. Getting people to pay the water bill, especially around here, can be somewhat of a gamble. How do you comfortably put that responsibility in the hands of the tenant? I’m looking at a 14 unit building & the owner pays everything but the electric & rent! There are definitely fees to pass along to the tenants but my comfort level may be at risk. Thanks in advance 🙂
    Ben Leybovich Rental Property Investor from Lima/Chandler, Ohio/Arizona
    Replied almost 5 years ago
    I tell em it is how it is, Nate:)
    Tim Chasteen from Oxford, Ohio
    Replied almost 5 years ago
    Thanks for the inspiration Ben. Have you written an article on how you got started? I just wonder how a person goes from having so little real world experience to being a real estate mastermind.
    Ben Leybovich Rental Property Investor from Lima/Chandler, Ohio/Arizona
    Replied almost 5 years ago
    Tim – visit my website. It’s all there 🙂
    Ben Leybovich Rental Property Investor from Lima/Chandler, Ohio/Arizona
    Replied almost 5 years ago
    Tim – visit my website. It’s all there 🙂
    Ayodeji Kuponiyi Investor from King of Prussia, Pennsylvania
    Replied over 4 years ago
    Great article Ben. Thanks for sharing your experience and pictures.
    Ben Staples Investor from Malden, MA
    Replied about 4 years ago
    Hey Ben, I really liked how you broke down potential improvements to improve NOI of this property. Happy to see your success! Ben
    Lior Rozhansky Rental Property Investor from Newtonville, MA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hey Ben, Years later, this is still an inspirational article. I was hoping you could still comment about your strategy for financing the rehabs. It’s obviously impressive to avoid any downpayment, but when you got into the property, did you end up using your own money for all the rehabs you described (which would defeat the purpose of the creative financing methodology?). I’m in a situation where I love the idea of putting down 0% on a fourplex I know I can improve, but Im thinking I would need my own cash for the rehab (which is why I’m leaning towards the FHA 203K loan, even though I’m not crazy about the idea of having the required downpayment). Lior
    Cody Barrett
    Replied over 2 years ago
    I’ve read this post a few times. I enjoy it more and more every time .