Real Estate Wholesaling

What Comes First for Wholesalers: The Buyers List or the Deal?

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Which is more important to have a property or a buyers list? In wholesaling, this is the classic tale of what comes first, the chicken or the egg? I’ve decided to bring up this topic because I’ve been asked this question hundreds of times when speaking with newbies during my 30-minute free consultation. So I would like to explore the pros and cons of both, and you can make your own determination.

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So lets look at the position of building your buyers list first…

Finding the Buyers First

We can all agree that a buyers list is important. Now, how big you should build the list is a conversation for another day. Building a buyers list can afford you the ease and comfort of thinking you will always have a buyer for your deal(s). The concern with believing in this philosophy is that a buyers metrics can change. One month people may buy in a certain area, or buy a certain property type, or certain price points — and the next month it can all change due to market volatility.

Related: The Dirty Little Secret About a Buyer’s Lists

Having a buyers list can help you be super targeted on your property search. If you truly evaluate your buyer before adding him or her to your list, you’ll know what they want, where they want it, how much they are willing pay, and how much risk (rehab) they’re willing to take. By knowing this, you can target your marketing to those buying criteria.

Getting the buyers can be difficult because they are very limited with their time. They do not like to waste their time, and many newbies waste prospective buyers’ time. So they may not be as eager to talk with you.

Buyers are pitched too often by newbies. Someone called me the other day asking me commonly asked questions:

Are you still buying?

If so, what area are you buying in?

What exactly are you looking for?

I asked him, “Are you truly going to look for what I want or are you just trying to add me to your list?” He stumbled and stammered, answering the question knowing he was just trying to build a list. That is fine we all had to do it but make sure you’re truly looking for properties and not building a list you will do nothing with.

I would suggest that until you build your buyers list, work with a seasoned wholesaler who will do the disposition for you if you find a property.

Related: How to Reach the #1 Spot on Your Wholesaler’s Buyers List (& Score the BEST Deals)

Finding the Deal First

Now, let’s take a different approach to the same scenario I spoke of above: What if the newbie called and asked me if I was buying, and then said, “I have a property that you may be interested in.” I would then be all ears to see if the deal fit my criteria. A different approach, but you will reach the same results. Here are the results:

I would assume this person is out trying to hunt for deals, and if the current deal didn’t work, I would gladly give him what I’m looking for.

In markets everywhere, finding the deal maybe a lot harder than finding the buyers. Since it’s a sellers market across the nation, buyers are scrambling to be the first to a good deal.

I know, I know, finding the deal first is a little scarier. What if you don’t find a buyer? So what if you don’t find a buyer. Guess what you did find?

You found out how to have a conversation with a motivated seller.

You found out how to build your team (i.e. attorney or title company).

You found out how to write a contract.

Don’t just look at what you don’t have, you have to look at what you learned in the process.

Finding deals is more challenging, so it depends on what you want to do first. So what’s hard first (finding deals). or do what’s a little more easy (finding buyers). Either way, you gain something from both.

Why Not Both?

Everyone always says, Find the buyer first or the property. Here’s my suggestion now: Find both. While you’re working on finding the property, why not talk with sellers and try and find them simultaneously? It does not have to be either/or. By doing only one, you put self-imposed limitations on what you want to do. Our brains can handle the capacity of looking for both. So do both.

Although there are benefits to building a list and finding the deal independently, there’s a bigger upside if you work on doing both to speed up the process and help you build momentum.

I would really like to hear your thoughts; especially if you are just getting started.

What are some of the things that are stopping you from doing either/or or both?

Share below!

 

Marcus Maloney is a value investor and portfolio holder of residential and commercial units. He has completed over $3.3 million in wholesale transactions. Currently, Marcus is a licensed agent who wholesales virtually in multiple states while building his investment portfolio. He has also converted some of his deals into cash-flowing rentals. Marcus holds seven rentals, two of which are commercial units. He’s even purchased a school, which was converted into a daycare center. His overall goal is to turn what is a marginal profit into a significant equity position. He leverages the equity by using the BRRRR (buy, rehab, rent, refinance, repeat) strategy to increase his portfolio without any money out-of-pocket. Marcus has been featured in numerous podcast such as the Louisville Gal Podcast, The Best Deal Ever Podcast, The Flipping Junkie, and many others. He contributes content regularly to his YouTube channel and blog.

    Heath Ryans Specialist from Kingsport, TN
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Marcus, Great article. Im a new wholesaler, still hunting down my first deal but this is my experience so far. I started out without any buyers. I just started up a direct mail campaign with really the intention of buying and flipping myself. As people at my REI group saw my marketing getting hits, they became interested and i really just started marketing for one buyer in particular. From there, more people saw or heard about my campaign gaining traction and that i was actually out there doing it. Not just talking it up. Im more or less getting a new buyer per week. Basically, through the direct effort of starting a marketing campaign and just getting dirty, people decided to reach out. I don’t typically refer to quotes but i was sitting in an Air Force PACE Leadership course and our speaker gave us this one and its really stuck with me: “People buy into the leader before they buy into the vision.” -John Maxwell You have to do more than talk a good game if you want people to follow. Get down and dirty. People see effort.
    Marcus Maloney Rental Property Investor from Queen Creek, AZ
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Heath, I tell so many newbies that action is the most important tool you need everything else will come. I’ve provided so many free resources for newbies so they can start including contracts, assignment agreements, and consultations to minimize excuses. However, some people still don’t take action. Glad to here you’re making moves and getting things done.
    Mia Paschall
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Hello. I’m a newbie. Thanks for the article. Where can I find the freebies that you offer?
    Kurt Michaelson from Yukon, OK
    Replied about 1 year ago
    I recently read the book, “If You Can’t Wholesale After This: I’ve Got Nothing For You by Todd M. Fleming and one quote I highlighted said, “I am looking for properties for buyers, not looking for buyers for properties.” We can obtain lists of properties from various sources and even create our own direct mail campaign, but it helps tremendously to have a list of buyers first and to communicate clearly to them that your interest is to find properties that fit their criteria. It just doesn’t make sense to have a list of 500 people who are in either foreclosure, absentee-owner, or who are delinquent on their taxes and then only have 1 or 2 buyers. I’d rather have a list of 25 or more buyers where you know specifically what they’re looking for, so that it makes your search as a wholesaler more efficient and productive, while giving yourself a greater opportunity of a successful sale and assignment of contract. To help me with knowing a buyer’s criteria better, I created a Buyer-Investor Profile form using Google Forms – https://goo.gl/forms/AsOzpgkIXVPoJzTF3
    Marcus Maloney Rental Property Investor from Queen Creek, AZ
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Kurt, Good stuff man I love it when we have multiple perspectives. Either way is correct as long as you’re taking action. Remember this is the ultimate which comes first the chicken/egg conversation, so either way is correct. I love it I will have to check that book out. Hey man thanks again for reading and your input.
    Marilyn H.
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Thanks for the article. It is scary to have a deal without the buyer first. My first deal I had the buyer and seller pretty much simultaneously bc I worked with a real estate agent who found a buyer quickly and I knew what he was willing to pay. My second deal, the buyer fell through at the last minute. I posted the property on our local investors website and it was gone in a few hours. Plus, I got several investors who called bc of the post and now they’re on my buyers list. Now I have a third contract and it’s in a city about 90 miles away where my son lives. I didn’t have a buyers list at all, so I posted on BP and received about a half dozen interested investors. My direct mail marketing to local buyers went nowhere. So I’m hoping to find a buyer for this third property quickly. I have a couple more properties that are close to contracts, I hope. I market continuously. About 200 – 400 pieces a week. So far I’m not getting the response I would like, even though I’m following the advice of several pros and trying different techniques for different audiences. I know I’ll get better, but I wish I were there now. And I’m still marketing to buyers as well. Anyway, my goal is to close 3 – 4 properties a month by this time next year. I hope that’s not unreasonable.
    Marcus Maloney Rental Property Investor from Queen Creek, AZ
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Marilyn, That’s awesome you’re gaining some traction with your marketing and deal flow. Yes having that property first is a little frightening but as you have experienced due to it being a sellers market investors are looking for deals. Keep going and great things will continue to happen. “Enjoying the Journey”
    Olivia Hams-Preston
    Replied about 1 year ago
    How did you go about finding a mentor?
    Heath Ryans Specialist from Kingsport, TN
    Replied about 1 year ago
    From reading your profile, it sounds like you already have a foot in the investing door from your previous experience. Find someone in your network who knows a wholesaler. Or who knows and investor who knows a wholesaler. Work your network. Once you’ve found them. Ask what you can do for them. Don’t be weird and ask “will you be my mentor?” As a wholesaler, i am absolutely certain they have some data entry or marketing tasks they would love to pass on to someone. Ask about that. If you do that in exchange for someone just kind of showing you the ropes, im sure they would be happy to do so. Provide some sort of value to them and they will likely reciprocate.
    Marcus Maloney Rental Property Investor from Queen Creek, AZ
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Heath, thanks for responding to Olivia that was a very good response. That’s what I try and tell many newbies; bring something to the table.
    Shannon Baker
    Replied 11 months ago
    Hi Heath, What do you mean by, “find someone in your network who knows a wholesaler”? How do you find that??
    Heath Ryans Specialist from Kingsport, TN
    Replied 11 months ago
    Hey Shannon, If you know people who buy real estate, either for flipping or for rentals, there is a good chance they may know of a wholesaler. Just straight up ask them. “Hey, do you know of any wholesalers in the area?” They might and they might not but they may be able to point you in the direction of someone who does.
    Marcus Maloney Rental Property Investor from Queen Creek, AZ
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Olivia, I second everything Heath stated, that’s actually how I was able to get my foot in the door. Investors hate when newbies come along and ask to be mentored but will not offer anything first.
    Roseanne Tataipu from Hauula, HI
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Aloha Marcus! I appreciate this article a lot. I am brand new to real estate investing. I do have a network of cash buyers. I’m struggling with where I should search for deals. I saw Kurt M.’s comment, so I’ll look into the book he mentioned and create a Google Form to see what my network of cash buyers want. Heath’s comment about getting a mentor gave me an idea on how I can bring something to the table. My current situation is that I’m a stay-at-home mom with 3 kids. I know real estate investing is the vehicle that I want to use to provide for my family and being able to remain at home. Being home for a few years, I wasn’t sure what I could offer someone to mentor me. My investment niche and strategy is to wholesale single family residence. My next step is to find where I will find deals. Any suggestions or questions that you go through when trying to pick an area to find deals?
    Heath Ryans Specialist from Kingsport, TN
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Roseanne, That depends on what strategy are you using. Are you planning on driving for dollars, purchasing lists, or some other means?
    Account Closed
    Replied 11 months ago
    Loving the Buyer-Investor Profile, Kurt. I am a newbie and hungry for success in REI and I plan to do that by way of wholesaling. I am currently reading the book by Todd Fleming “If you can’t wholesale after this…” I have found it to be helpful. But I’m ready to implement my marketing strategies, not sure but was looking at purchasing lists. Any suggestions on the best place to purchase buyer & and seller lists?
    Michael Comhair from Chicago, IL
    Replied 11 months ago
    Very helpful this article and also worth reading the comments, thanks for sharing
    Luis Marquez
    Replied 10 months ago
    Very useful content. I’ve been reading nothing but your articles lately. Very informative as well as the comment section. Thanks for all that you do!
    Emmitt Brayboy
    Replied 10 months ago
    Hello. I am newbie in wholesaling, I just recently started to look into it about two weeks ago. I’ve been reading and researching on it everyday! I recently came across a house that was for sale by the owner, it was an older lady. I called her and we talked for a very long time. She is definitely willing to sale it, and from the conversation I feel as though I can get it under contract. My question to you guys is, since this is my very first time, and I have no buyers list at all, I don’t want to waste her time because I want to be a wholesaler people can trust and not just in it for the money. So should I just let it be or just try to work this deal out myself?
    Heath Ryans Specialist from Kingsport, TN
    Replied 10 months ago
    Emmit, Have you been to any of your local REI meetings so that you can actually meet buyers? Or Do you have an agent you can work with? They will be able to pull a list of all cash sales in the area. If you see repeat buyers, its a good indicator that theyre investors. Also, and most importantly, do you understand the numbers?
    Emmitt Brayboy
    Replied 10 months ago
    Thnx for getting back! I just started going to the REI Meetings. I will be going to my 2nd one today. I don’t have a Realtor Agent Personally, But I do know one through social media that I can ask about pulling the list for me. Far as the numbers goes are you referring to the formulas to get ARV’s
    Heath Ryans Specialist from Kingsport, TN
    Replied 10 months ago
    Great. Ask the buyers in the group where they buy and what their parameters are. Ie what do they need from a deal in order to jump on it. Im talking about coming up with your offer. Theres not really a formula for ARV. Thats just a fact based off what the comps show. Do you have a good grasp of estimate rehab costs? The formula im referring to is: ARV x 0.70 (or 0.65) – Repairs – Your profit = Offer
    Emmitt Brayboy
    Replied 10 months ago
    No I dnt have that yet because I only seen the outside of the house, she went out of town for a few days told me to call her back Monday so we can set up a date to look at the inside of the house.. I’m going to assume that it doesn’t need a lot of work being as though she was renting it out, but can’t make any assumptions until I actually see the house for myself..
    Heath Ryans Specialist from Kingsport, TN
    Replied 10 months ago
    I didn’t word that properly, my bad. What i meant was, do you have a good understanding of rehab costs? Do you feel comfortable in your ability to estimate that number? Ive seen plenty of horrible rentals that i, under no circumstance, would move in to. I wouldn’t bank on anything being nice.
    Emmitt Brayboy
    Replied 10 months ago
    Far as the numbers I’m still working on that everyday just trying to make sure they make sense, but that’s still kind of tough because I haven’t done it before so not sure if it makes all that sense. Get what I’m saying? But to answer your question no I don’t feel comfortable enough to estimate that number myself..
    Heath Ryans Specialist from Kingsport, TN
    Replied 10 months ago
    Hey just keep practicing. The more you look at, the more it starts to make sense. Dont be afraid to ask some local contractors or the cash buyers what things cost
    Emmitt Brayboy
    Replied 10 months ago
    Ok cool!!! Thnx for your help!!! Much needed!..