**JUST BOUGHT A 10 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING NOW WHAT???

**JUST BOUGHT A 10 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING NOW WHAT???

Mil SanghviPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 10 votes

Hi BP,

I JUST BOUGHT A 10 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING!! NOW WHAT DO I DO TO TRANSITION??

I am closing on my biggest property yet (10 units) on October 15th. I am uncertain as to the exact steps to follow when you transition. My LLC will own the property and another of my LLC will manage the property. It cash flows well with the numbers below. Expenses are verified. 6 of 10 units are on section 8 with long term tenants and is 100% occupied. I only accept direct deposit, pay online or pay through pay pal. No mailed check or pick ups.

Purchase price 300k and owner is giving 20k towards upgrades/repairs etc  Plan is to install surveillance cameras, lights, paint doors and shutters, 2 water heaters and new signage and minor fixes etc. Pocket the rest ;) :P

What are the steps to follow to transition into new management.

What should I expect from the tenants?

Are my numbers realistic?

Step by step guide would be very helpful.

What do you wish you would have known when you were in my place?

Property Management software recommendations? I'll have 15 units total. 

.................................................Monthly               Annual             % of Income

Gross Income                           5250                   63000               100

Vacancy 5%                             262.50                3150                  5

Gross Scheduled Income         4987.50              59850                95

Expenses

Property Taxes                          275                     3300                  5  

Property Insurance                   275                     3300                  5

Electricity                                  150                     1800                  2.85

Water                                        150                     1800                  2.85

Waste Management                 100                      1200                 1.9

Lawn Care                                250                      3000                 4.76

Repairs/Maintenance               250                      3000                 4.76

Property Software                    200                      2400                 3.8

Property Management             262.50                 3150                 5

Total Expenses                       1862.50              22350               35.5%

NOI                                          3125                    37500               64.5%

Debt Service                          1466                    17596               27.9%

Cash Flow Before Taxes       1659                    19904               31.59%

Debt Service Ratio    2.13,        Cash on Cash return 26.5%    

At 10% cap the property is worth 375k

Thank you in advance.

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Real Estate Investor/Developer · Seattle, WA · Member since 2015 · 96 posts · 75 votes
10y

Milan,

Congratulations on being a multifamily owner and closing on a deal! It means you are playing on the court, not sitting in the stands.

On the surface your numbers look great, but when I looked at your per unit cost your expenses seem very light. Our best run property in GA operates at $2,500/unit and we are using our leverage of managing over 1000 apartments in the same area to get great deals with vendors etc.. Your number is $1,490 which is very, very low. That said your expenses as a % of net revenue  is at 37% so not all too bad.

Vacancy seems low if this is a C asset, in a C location. More likely it will be 8-10%. If your 2 non section 8 units are vacant you are already at 86% occupancy!!

I would also factor in concessions, and bad debt. (there is a reason the property is cheap, and that's because you will probably put in a lot of sweat equity collecting rents and dealing with residents)

On to the actual management and what to expect .

As you are discovering that closing on the deal is just the beginning, now starts the real work: Getting the property to perform consistently and provide you with cash flow!

Since you are self-managing I will answer your question from there.

Here is what I would do after taking over a new property (not in any particular order):

0. Join the local landlord association (this is invaluable with access to their documents and services like legal advice etc.)

1. Re-key the office or common areas

2. Conduct lease audit and make sure all documents are there (application, lease, proof of income, proof of payments for security deposit etc.) Make sure that documents are signed by both parties. 

3. Market Research (you may have done this already before the purchase, but time to update your information!)

- what are market rents from your comps (call them, use craigslist and whatever other resource you have to get this)

- what is the condition of units for your competitors (shop them!)

- what amenities doe your comps have

- what floor plans does your comps have (size, number of bedrooms and bathrooms)

- do they offer concessions/move in specials

- what term leases do they offer (just 12 months, shorter or longer)

4. Create a Budget with actual numbers not just estimates

- 12 months (plan your work and work your plan!)

- CAPEX (what will be your needs 1,2,3,4,5 years down the road). Get prices now so you know.

- get actual bids from your vendors

5. Accounting

- Complete your acquisition accounting

- setup accounting in quickbooks or apt managment software

- bank accounts (separate for operations and security deposits)

6. Switching Master Utilities (meters) account to new owner 

- Will they notify you when residents switch over to their name

7. Establish list of critical vendors/services with summarized contract info and contact details:

- Pest control (termite bonds?)

- Trash Collection (did you assume a contract or will you start a new contract?)

- Insurance company (are you shopping for best rates and coverage)

- Unit Turn Vendors (Paint, Cleaning, Flooring, again are you shopping for best rates and quality?)

- Emergency Maintenance (Plumber, Electrician etc.)

- Lawyer specializing in landlord tenant law (again you can use your landlord association and get familiar with local laws for bad debt collection, evictions etc)

- Police department, do they have community outreach programs that you can join to decrease chances of crime (Cameras and lights are great, but prevention is best!)

- Accountant for tax filings

- Tax appeal lawyer (?)

8. Remove old management information 

- Signs, phone numbers, website etc.

9. Establish critical documents for operation:

- what lease agreements you will use 

- leasing/screening criteria you will have in place. You can get this from your local landlord association.  DO NOT  DISCRIMINATE! Have fair standards that you apply to all renters and applicants (income requirements, criminal background checks, identification and document needs, etc.). Charge an application fee if needed to cover your expenses for this.

- rental application

- promise to pay notice for residents that pay late

- notice letters

- eviction letters and legal documentation

- unit inventory sheets

- unit inspection forms

10. Letter to residents for change in management (your landlord association may have a template with information they will need like phone numbers, mailing addresses etc.)

11. Meet and greet all of your residents, (if you haven't done this already, combine it with a complete unit inspection to assess capex needs/maintenance needs/ smoke detector/ leaks etc). (You should walk your units at least twice every year. Or whenever you go to replace filters for HVAC.)

Im sure there is much more you could do, but this is just the basic things that I can think about when taking over the property. 

As for management software we use ResMan and we are extremely happy with their software and their customer service. (we use them on everything from duplexes to several hundred unit properties). I cant remember what we pay per unit now, but can find out if you are interested. 

I hope this helps.

Please let me know if I have missed something.

Christian

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  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 172 posts · 64 votes
    11y

    Mil!

    Congrats! I'm pretty close to doing the same thing. Let's talk soon. I will follow this discussion fo sho! 

    Phil

  • Hvac · North Haven, CT · Member since 2015 · 298 posts · 79 votes
    11y

    You are where I want to be. Congrats!

    Tony V

  • Mil SanghviPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 10 votes
    11y

    @Philip Bashaw You are addicted to BP!!! Then again, being addicted to success is a good thing. Let's get some lunch. 

  • Developer · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    Hi @Mil Sanghvi, congratulations on your purchase. It looks like it should cash flow very well for you. I did have a question regarding your numbers. You have repairs/maintenance at below 5%. Most of the conservative estimates I see are usually higher than that. On top of that, I don't see anything for capital expenditures. At $30k/door I'm assuming it's an older property in perhaps a C area. Do you have contingencies for the older roof, older HVAC, older water heaters, etc?

  • Wholesaler, Rehabber and Landlord · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    11y

    expenses seems a bit low. Water for 10units is only 150?? And electricity also is 150 per month?? Insurance can not be 275 for 10 units. Maintenance, utilities, etc. usually run about 50 to 60% of income on 10 units.

    If these are C units or in a C area, exp are going to be even higher. 

  • Mil SanghviPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 10 votes
    11y

    @Michael Le Thank you.

    I believe it is a C+ property with rent raise potential by 50/unit per month. The property is older but the current owner has taken really good care of it. The 20k the seller is contributing towards repairs/upgrades will be used for immediate repairs (replacing 2-3 water heaters, 3 hvac outside units etc) and sprucing up the property (CCTV, Lights etc). 

    50% of year 1 cash flow may also be put towards capex. 

    What's more realistic? 

    What transition steps have you taken when acquiring a property? Which ones worked?

    Exit Strategy

    1. Buy and hold forever

    2. Increase NOI and sell it at 10 cap

    3. Sell 2 duplexes (4 units) at 90k a piece and almost pay off the debt and hold 6 units.

  • Mil SanghviPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 10 votes
    11y

    @Rick Pozos 9 out of the 10 tenants pay their own utilities. Owner only pays utilities for one tenant in exchange for a much higher fixed rent. Taxes and insurance in the area run about 1% each of the purchase price. I numbers are exact. I would say they are in a B-/C+ area.

    Any steps on transition and getting my lease signed with the take over? Getting them trained to pay online instead of mailing checks?

  • Developer · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 732 posts · 490 votes
    11y

    Great job. Love the title of this post. This is how I feel on a routine basis. You know what though, at the end of the day you are putting yourself out there, accomplishing goals, learning a hell of a lot, and hopefully having the time of your life.

    I would definitely recommend a property management software. Checkout AppFolio or Buildium.

    Good luck!

  • Investor · Lake Nebagamon, WI · Member since 2011 · 76 posts · 32 votes
    11y

    Congratulations on your purchase, I'm closing on a 8 unit next week for 200k. So we are very similar in numbers, but the difference is the owners will not be giving me any cash. We have agreed to pay 100k per 4 x plex, and bank has valued them at 145k, each. So get them appraised, who knows, you may have made a chunk of money already.

  • Mil SanghviPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 10 votes
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    @Mario Alexandrou  Congrats on your 8 plex. The bank valued them at 350k which is a lot lower than expected but they are using a combination of price/sq ft, replacement cost, and income approach. That's why it comes out lower.

    How are you managing your units? I'm worried about the transition because I also have a full time job.

    @Neal Collins It has come down to either Buildium or Appfolio. I personally prefer appfolio for its features and ease of use. The only con is its price at $200/month and $400 set up fee. At 12 units, that a lot per unit.

    Buildium is $40/ month for upto 40 units but it's not feature rich. Which one do you have?

  • Developer · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 732 posts · 490 votes
    11y

    We use Buildium for exactly the reason you mentioned. It's a nice software and will do for now. One day we will make the uograde.

  • Real Estate Agent · Greenbelt, MD · Member since 2014 · 10 posts · 4 votes
    11y

    Congrats, prepare to buy another. Repeat the process!

    Best Regards,

    Brian 

  • Investor · Lake Nebagamon, WI · Member since 2011 · 76 posts · 32 votes
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    @Mil Sanghvi I have a PM company that is handling management, I'll take that step once I've stabalized the units.

  • Investor · Lake Nebagamon, WI · Member since 2011 · 76 posts · 32 votes
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    @Mil Sanghvi sorry forgot to add that our PM is using Builduim and handling over 100 units. Hopefully that could work well for you in these early stages.

  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2015 · 243 posts · 70 votes
    11y
    Milan: Not sure where your property is located. I do have good property management coverage in several Texas markets, and property management is crucial to success, so let me know if I can help. Kathy
  • Real Estate Investor/Developer · Seattle, WA · Member since 2015 · 96 posts · 75 votes
    10y

    Milan,

    Congratulations on being a multifamily owner and closing on a deal! It means you are playing on the court, not sitting in the stands.

    On the surface your numbers look great, but when I looked at your per unit cost your expenses seem very light. Our best run property in GA operates at $2,500/unit and we are using our leverage of managing over 1000 apartments in the same area to get great deals with vendors etc.. Your number is $1,490 which is very, very low. That said your expenses as a % of net revenue  is at 37% so not all too bad.

    Vacancy seems low if this is a C asset, in a C location. More likely it will be 8-10%. If your 2 non section 8 units are vacant you are already at 86% occupancy!!

    I would also factor in concessions, and bad debt. (there is a reason the property is cheap, and that's because you will probably put in a lot of sweat equity collecting rents and dealing with residents)

    On to the actual management and what to expect .

    As you are discovering that closing on the deal is just the beginning, now starts the real work: Getting the property to perform consistently and provide you with cash flow!

    Since you are self-managing I will answer your question from there.

    Here is what I would do after taking over a new property (not in any particular order):

    0. Join the local landlord association (this is invaluable with access to their documents and services like legal advice etc.)

    1. Re-key the office or common areas

    2. Conduct lease audit and make sure all documents are there (application, lease, proof of income, proof of payments for security deposit etc.) Make sure that documents are signed by both parties. 

    3. Market Research (you may have done this already before the purchase, but time to update your information!)

    - what are market rents from your comps (call them, use craigslist and whatever other resource you have to get this)

    - what is the condition of units for your competitors (shop them!)

    - what amenities doe your comps have

    - what floor plans does your comps have (size, number of bedrooms and bathrooms)

    - do they offer concessions/move in specials

    - what term leases do they offer (just 12 months, shorter or longer)

    4. Create a Budget with actual numbers not just estimates

    - 12 months (plan your work and work your plan!)

    - CAPEX (what will be your needs 1,2,3,4,5 years down the road). Get prices now so you know.

    - get actual bids from your vendors

    5. Accounting

    - Complete your acquisition accounting

    - setup accounting in quickbooks or apt managment software

    - bank accounts (separate for operations and security deposits)

    6. Switching Master Utilities (meters) account to new owner 

    - Will they notify you when residents switch over to their name

    7. Establish list of critical vendors/services with summarized contract info and contact details:

    - Pest control (termite bonds?)

    - Trash Collection (did you assume a contract or will you start a new contract?)

    - Insurance company (are you shopping for best rates and coverage)

    - Unit Turn Vendors (Paint, Cleaning, Flooring, again are you shopping for best rates and quality?)

    - Emergency Maintenance (Plumber, Electrician etc.)

    - Lawyer specializing in landlord tenant law (again you can use your landlord association and get familiar with local laws for bad debt collection, evictions etc)

    - Police department, do they have community outreach programs that you can join to decrease chances of crime (Cameras and lights are great, but prevention is best!)

    - Accountant for tax filings

    - Tax appeal lawyer (?)

    8. Remove old management information 

    - Signs, phone numbers, website etc.

    9. Establish critical documents for operation:

    - what lease agreements you will use 

    - leasing/screening criteria you will have in place. You can get this from your local landlord association.  DO NOT  DISCRIMINATE! Have fair standards that you apply to all renters and applicants (income requirements, criminal background checks, identification and document needs, etc.). Charge an application fee if needed to cover your expenses for this.

    - rental application

    - promise to pay notice for residents that pay late

    - notice letters

    - eviction letters and legal documentation

    - unit inventory sheets

    - unit inspection forms

    10. Letter to residents for change in management (your landlord association may have a template with information they will need like phone numbers, mailing addresses etc.)

    11. Meet and greet all of your residents, (if you haven't done this already, combine it with a complete unit inspection to assess capex needs/maintenance needs/ smoke detector/ leaks etc). (You should walk your units at least twice every year. Or whenever you go to replace filters for HVAC.)

    Im sure there is much more you could do, but this is just the basic things that I can think about when taking over the property. 

    As for management software we use ResMan and we are extremely happy with their software and their customer service. (we use them on everything from duplexes to several hundred unit properties). I cant remember what we pay per unit now, but can find out if you are interested. 

    I hope this helps.

    Please let me know if I have missed something.

    Christian

  • Real Estate Investor/Developer · Seattle, WA · Member since 2015 · 96 posts · 75 votes
    10y

    Milan, I just noticed that you said 10 units and not 15. so occupancy drops to 80% if two people move out.

    Also you expenses are then $2,200 per unit. Much more realistic, but still light if this is the only deal you manage. only 3000 for management might be unrealistic as a property management company would charge you 8% vs your 5%.

    Christian 

  • Accountant, Enrolled Agent · Grayslake, IL · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y
  • Hvac · North Haven, CT · Member since 2015 · 298 posts · 79 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Christian Brodin:

    Milan,

    Congratulations on being a multifamily owner and closing on a deal! It means you are playing on the court, not sitting in the stands.

    On the surface your numbers look great, but when I looked at your per unit cost your expenses seem very light. Our best run property in GA operates at $2,500/unit and we are using our leverage of managing over 1000 apartments in the same area to get great deals with vendors etc.. Your number is $1,490 which is very, very low. That said your expenses as a % of net revenue  is at 37% so not all too bad.

    Vacancy seems low if this is a C asset, in a C location. More likely it will be 8-10%. If your 2 non section 8 units are vacant you are already at 86% occupancy!!

    I would also factor in concessions, and bad debt. (there is a reason the property is cheap, and that's because you will probably put in a lot of sweat equity collecting rents and dealing with residents)

    On to the actual management and what to expect .

    As you are discovering that closing on the deal is just the beginning, now starts the real work: Getting the property to perform consistently and provide you with cash flow!

    Since you are self-managing I will answer your question from there.

    Here is what I would do after taking over a new property (not in any particular order):

    0. Join the local landlord association (this is invaluable with access to their documents and services like legal advice etc.)

    1. Re-key the office or common areas

    2. Conduct lease audit and make sure all documents are there (application, lease, proof of income, proof of payments for security deposit etc.) Make sure that documents are signed by both parties. 

    3. Market Research (you may have done this already before the purchase, but time to update your information!)

    - what are market rents from your comps (call them, use craigslist and whatever other resource you have to get this)

    - what is the condition of units for your competitors (shop them!)

    - what amenities doe your comps have

    - what floor plans does your comps have (size, number of bedrooms and bathrooms)

    - do they offer concessions/move in specials

    - what term leases do they offer (just 12 months, shorter or longer)

    4. Create a Budget with actual numbers not just estimates

    - 12 months (plan your work and work your plan!)

    - CAPEX (what will be your needs 1,2,3,4,5 years down the road). Get prices now so you know.

    - get actual bids from your vendors

    5. Accounting

    - Complete your acquisition accounting

    - setup accounting in quickbooks or apt managment software

    - bank accounts (separate for operations and security deposits)

    6. Switching Master Utilities (meters) account to new owner 

    - Will they notify you when residents switch over to their name

    7. Establish list of critical vendors/services with summarized contract info and contact details:

    - Pest control (termite bonds?)

    - Trash Collection (did you assume a contract or will you start a new contract?)

    - Insurance company (are you shopping for best rates and coverage)

    - Unit Turn Vendors (Paint, Cleaning, Flooring, again are you shopping for best rates and quality?)

    - Emergency Maintenance (Plumber, Electrician etc.)

    - Lawyer specializing in landlord tenant law (again you can use your landlord association and get familiar with local laws for bad debt collection, evictions etc)

    - Police department, do they have community outreach programs that you can join to decrease chances of crime (Cameras and lights are great, but prevention is best!)

    - Accountant for tax filings

    - Tax appeal lawyer (?)

    8. Remove old management information 

    - Signs, phone numbers, website etc.

    9. Establish critical documents for operation:

    - what lease agreements you will use 

    - leasing/screening criteria you will have in place. You can get this from your local landlord association.  DO NOT  DISCRIMINATE! Have fair standards that you apply to all renters and applicants (income requirements, criminal background checks, identification and document needs, etc.). Charge an application fee if needed to cover your expenses for this.

    - rental application

    - promise to pay notice for residents that pay late

    - notice letters

    - eviction letters and legal documentation

    - unit inventory sheets

    - unit inspection forms

    10. Letter to residents for change in management (your landlord association may have a template with information they will need like phone numbers, mailing addresses etc.)

    11. Meet and greet all of your residents, (if you haven't done this already, combine it with a complete unit inspection to assess capex needs/maintenance needs/ smoke detector/ leaks etc). (You should walk your units at least twice every year. Or whenever you go to replace filters for HVAC.)

    Im sure there is much more you could do, but this is just the basic things that I can think about when taking over the property. 

    As for management software we use ResMan and we are extremely happy with their software and their customer service. (we use them on everything from duplexes to several hundred unit properties). I cant remember what we pay per unit now, but can find out if you are interested. 

    I hope this helps.

    Please let me know if I have missed something.

    Christian

    Awesome post here. Very detailed

  • Holly Springs, NC · Member since 2015 · 14 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    congrat Milan, 

    hopefully I will post something like that as well. Way to go!!! Make sure you follow all the advises.

  • Duluth, GA · Member since 2014 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    Hi Milan,

    That sounds like a nice deal and I assume this building is in the Atlanta area. Can you give me an idea of where it is located?

  • Lynnwood, WA · Member since 2015 · 221 posts · 157 votes
    10y

    @Mil Sanghvi

    Congratulations on your purchase. I do have some questions for you :)

    First of all, I notice that it's five duplexes, and not a 10 unit apartment complex. Are you of the opinion that this increases your capex (which is not a line item in your numbers), and perhaps some other expenses as well?

    Do you feel property management software is a reasonable expense for the number of units you have? Over just four years, your SAS costs are almost $10k - is this something you can do in Excel or Docs?

    How did you calculated your projected expenses? Are your numbers based on historical data or seller estimates, or other?

    @Christian Brodin nice list! I am shamelessly copying it for my wiki!

  • Plano, TX · Member since 2013 · 226 posts · 156 votes
    10y

    I may be a little late on this, as your post is a few weeks old, but I HIGHLY recommend ResMan for your software.  Very user friendly, very open to user requests (updates every month based on feedback), and best of all it's very inexpensive.  I'm paying $1/unit /month on a 32 unit, but not sure what it would be for 10.  I think it's still $1??

    On your other questions, vacancy and expenses seem low to me.  Even in great areas I use total economic loss of 10%.  We stay full ALL the time, but unit turns taking longer than expected, evictions, bad debt, all creep in occasionally.  

    Someone else mentioned replacement reserves.  Your lender probably doesn't require it, but you absolutely want to be setting aside for repairs.  They WILL happen.

    As far as strategy, completely depends on your goals.  I thought we'd keep the 32 for five years, but just this week we decided we're looking into selling and it's only been 18 months.  It's not for negative reasons, such as too much trouble, just hit our 5 yr goals already so why not?

    Hope some of that's helpful.  Definitely look at ResMan before spending hundreds on the others.

  • Mil SanghviPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    @warren 

    @Warren Spahn The property is located in Phenix City, AL

    @Doug N. The property consists of 1 4plex and 3 duplexes plus a lot. The plan is to use the 20k that a seller is giving for future capex plus building a reserve. The software is more than just excel. Potential tenants can apply, sign leases, get automated emails, submit maintenance requests etc. It reduces a lot of administrative work. 

    @Tom Lafferty I decided to go with Buildium at $40/month up to 40 units which was way better than AppFolio's $200/month plus $400 one time set up fee. However I did include $200/month in the expenses. 

  • Cerritos, CA · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    Awesome. Looking for a commercial lender for a 10units 

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