Investor · Ottawa, Ontario · Member since 2017 · 35 posts · 16 votes
Looking for markets with: 5+ unit buildings Cap rates of 10% or higher Low vacancy Low taxes Good Property Management (several companies to chose from) Landlord Friendly
Looking to invest long distance from Canada- we will consider any area as all purchases will be considered long distance investing and its all about the numbers. Hoping we can narrow down which states/markets to start researching more. Right now we are a bit overwhelmed with where to start.
@Michala Vander Ploeg, if you are looking for 10%+ cap rates, you would be looking for the worst multifamily markets. The reason cap rates would be in the 10% range is because the market is horrible and no one wants to buy there. The best markets have a lot of buyers, and that activity forces cap rates down.
In response to your question about where to find the best markets: You want to buy in places where people are moving TO, and avoid markets where people are moving FROM. Las Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson, Boise, Salt Lake City, DFW, Austin, Atlanta, Tampa, Raleigh/Cary and several other southeastern US markets. There are other good markets where people are moving to, but have had too much new construction, which is placing a damper on rent growth. Great markets if you're willing to wait, or maybe buy in a couple of years: Nashville, Orlando, Jacksonville are just a couple of examples.
Looking for markets with: 5+ unit buildings Cap rates of 10% or higher Low vacancy Low taxes Good Property Management (several companies to chose from) Landlord Friendly
Looking to invest long distance from Canada- we will consider any area as all purchases will be considered long distance investing and its all about the numbers. Hoping we can narrow down which states/markets to start researching more. Right now we are a bit overwhelmed with where to start.
Cap rates 10+. I am not sure that can happen trouble free. Good luck
Respectfully, I don’t believe you will find anything that meets your criteria in a US growth market. I just bought a 43 unit deal in Greenville SC an excellent market at a 5.2% cap and feel fortunate to find it.
Thank you for your responses this is good information, I was under the impression that there are still markets in the US that provide higher cap rates.
Based on the other criteria, where would you suggest the healthy multi-family markets are currently?
10+ caps are definitely hard to find. In most markets that we are looking in we re lucky to find 5-6 caps- not to say it is impossible but sticking to that criteria will make it very difficult for you find a deal. Have you found any states/areas you are interested in? Southeast/Midwest are great areas to look in right now if you have not considered those.
10+ caps are definitely hard to find. In most markets that we are looking in we re lucky to find 5-6 caps- not to say it is impossible but sticking to that criteria will make it very difficult for you find a deal. Have you found any states/areas you are interested in? Southeast/Midwest are great areas to look in right now if you have not considered those.
Hi Jeffrey,
We've considered Indiana more specifically Indianapolis and Ohio, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus
10+ caps are definitely hard to find. In most markets that we are looking in we re lucky to find 5-6 caps- not to say it is impossible but sticking to that criteria will make it very difficult for you find a deal. Have you found any states/areas you are interested in? Southeast/Midwest are great areas to look in right now if you have not considered those.
Hi Jeffrey,
We've considered Indiana more specifically Indianapolis and Ohio, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus
Awesome! I have heard great things about all of those however none are near me/I have looked in before. If you ever need any incite on the Southeast feel free to reach out! Wish you the best of luck :)
10+ caps are definitely hard to find. In most markets that we are looking in we re lucky to find 5-6 caps- not to say it is impossible but sticking to that criteria will make it very difficult for you find a deal. Have you found any states/areas you are interested in? Southeast/Midwest are great areas to look in right now if you have not considered those.
Hi Jeffrey,
We've considered Indiana more specifically Indianapolis and Ohio, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus
Ohio, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus are the best markets
@Michala Vander Ploeg, if you are looking for 10%+ cap rates, you would be looking for the worst multifamily markets. The reason cap rates would be in the 10% range is because the market is horrible and no one wants to buy there. The best markets have a lot of buyers, and that activity forces cap rates down.
In response to your question about where to find the best markets: You want to buy in places where people are moving TO, and avoid markets where people are moving FROM. Las Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson, Boise, Salt Lake City, DFW, Austin, Atlanta, Tampa, Raleigh/Cary and several other southeastern US markets. There are other good markets where people are moving to, but have had too much new construction, which is placing a damper on rent growth. Great markets if you're willing to wait, or maybe buy in a couple of years: Nashville, Orlando, Jacksonville are just a couple of examples.
As some of the others said, there is a lot of opportunity in Ohio. It really just comes down to how well of a team you build out when investing in another market. @Michala Vander Ploeg
@Michala Vander Ploeg be incredibly careful when looking into the Ohio market. Lots of people will try to talk you into that market… (mostly realtors from that area) from my own initial analysis into Cleveland, the population of the city has been declining every year for the last 50 years and has over 35% of the population under the poverty line. Definitely metrics that scare me. Perhaps you have a different strategy.
@Corey Frank thank you! This information is invaluable. I need to narrow down my list of a few different cities and then start digging deeper into these types of details. Trying to build my list, and hopefully save myself some time by having other experienced investors direct me to the areas they are drawn to (or try to avoid!).
@Harish Verma yeah I was thinking the same thing, if I was you I would base my numbers on my COC and not really cap rate unless you buying a property in cash then that would be a different story lol usually The higher the cap rate the higher the risk in the area the property is in
@Michala Vander Ploeg That is exactly what I am doing now =) when trying to make your list, it helps me by having pre determined metrics that I am looking for. Population growth, job growth, ect. That way I quickly see if an area will not work out or I need to do more research on the area. This also shows me quickly if an area that someone is trying to sell me is actually a good market or someone trying to make a dollar. Hope this helps! =)
Cleveland is a good market to get into because it's an undeveloped version of Columbus that kinda sucks now but will eventually be worth it. No matter what Columbus still takes the cake when talking about Ohio no way around it the population growth, job opportunities and, and rise in prices are astronomical in Columbus compared to Cleveland.
Cleveland is a good market to get into because it's an undeveloped version of Columbus that kinda sucks now but will eventually be worth it. No matter what Columbus still takes the cake when talking about Ohio no way around it the population growth, job opportunities and, and rise in prices are astronomical in Columbus compared to Cleveland.
That could defiantly be but from the population stats and the employment stats, for me personally, Cleveland looks pretty sketchy. cC
The sunbelt/southeast continues to be a strong market for the multi-family space. Metros like Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Tampa and Jacksonville have seen employment growth (both in terms of job numbers and industry diversification) and rent growth. Additionally, the pandemic accelerated growth in relocation from northern cities to southern/southeast metros and the continuing trend of work from home looks likely to only continue those demo shifts.
Looking for markets with: 5+ unit buildings Cap rates of 10% or higher Low vacancy Low taxes Good Property Management (several companies to chose from) Landlord Friendly
Looking to invest long distance from Canada- we will consider any area as all purchases will be considered long distance investing and its all about the numbers. Hoping we can narrow down which states/markets to start researching more. Right now we are a bit overwhelmed with where to start.
Have you considered the Charlotte, NC market? incredibly high population growth rates, great demand for MF specially in the mid range and small to medium size unit counts. You will not find the cap rate specified, but certain investment strategies more than make up for that in this area. Charlotte is one of the top, if not the #1 market, for certain real estate sectors in the country.
I've specialized in small to medium off-market MF and the potential is very rewarding if you know where you are looking.
Have you considered the Charlotte, NC market? incredibly high population growth rates, great demand for MF specially in the mid range and small to medium size unit counts. You will not find the cap rate specified, but certain investment strategies more than make up for that in this area. Charlotte is one of the top, if not the #1 market, for certain real estate sectors in the country.
I've specialized in small to medium off-market MF and the potential is very rewarding if you know where you are looking.
Hi Janos,
Which tertiary markets of Charlotte do you currently favor over others?