Financing my first 4-plex.

Financing my first 4-plex.

Rental Property Investor · NH · Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 5 votes

Would appreciate advice on reserving capitol to buy additional investments. I am under contract for a 4 plex, no rehab needed and it's rented. Typically it's 25% down conventional with about $11k in cloisng costs/pre-paids plus the $70k down and this eats into a lot of my capitol.  I want to be able to acquire several more of these especially as my market goes into the winter and prices tend to drop.  Any advise or loan products I should be aware to lower my costs and preserve capitol?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to share with me your experience in lending.

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Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 224 posts · 50 votes
8y
Originally posted by @John Boychuk:

Is doing an owner occupy loan like FHA off the table for you? I know that's what everyone recommends, but it is a great tool to get into the game. Otherwise, you can get a conventional loan as low as 3% down, but 5% is easy to get with decent credit.

If you are in a position where you won't qualify for FHA or owner occupy, I would recommend looking into private money loans.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but you cannot get a conventional loan on a 4-plex rental below 25% unless you are owner occupying.   I've been speaking to several lenders for a few years on residential multifamily and 25% down is the minimum I've ever been told for non-owner occupying.  I have had agents and other investors shoot me figures that included 20% or lower, but then they are alway correcting themselves when I bring up the 25% rule.

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  • Real Estate Professional · Hilton, NY · Member since 2015 · 52 posts · 25 votes
    8y

    Is doing an owner occupy loan like FHA off the table for you? I know that's what everyone recommends, but it is a great tool to get into the game. Otherwise, you can get a conventional loan as low as 3% down, but 5% is easy to get with decent credit.

    If you are in a position where you won't qualify for FHA or owner occupy, I would recommend looking into private money loans.

  • General Contractor · Palm Desert, CA · Member since 2016 · 197 posts · 79 votes
    8y

    If you own a small business, you should check out SBA loans. The same owner occupied rules apply as John stated in his reply. I believe you would have to occupy at least 50% of the property but you could use one unit for an office and another as your residence.

    Good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 224 posts · 50 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @John Boychuk:

    Is doing an owner occupy loan like FHA off the table for you? I know that's what everyone recommends, but it is a great tool to get into the game. Otherwise, you can get a conventional loan as low as 3% down, but 5% is easy to get with decent credit.

    If you are in a position where you won't qualify for FHA or owner occupy, I would recommend looking into private money loans.

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but you cannot get a conventional loan on a 4-plex rental below 25% unless you are owner occupying.   I've been speaking to several lenders for a few years on residential multifamily and 25% down is the minimum I've ever been told for non-owner occupying.  I have had agents and other investors shoot me figures that included 20% or lower, but then they are alway correcting themselves when I bring up the 25% rule.

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    Lender · Nationwide Lender · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 814 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Ryan Moore:
    Originally posted by @John Boychuk:

    Is doing an owner occupy loan like FHA off the table for you? I know that's what everyone recommends, but it is a great tool to get into the game. Otherwise, you can get a conventional loan as low as 3% down, but 5% is easy to get with decent credit.

    If you are in a position where you won't qualify for FHA or owner occupy, I would recommend looking into private money loans.

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but you cannot get a conventional loan on a 4-plex rental below 25% unless you are owner occupying.   I've been speaking to several lenders for a few years on residential multifamily and 25% down is the minimum I've ever been told for non-owner occupying.  I have had agents and other investors shoot me figures that included 20% or lower, but then they are alway correcting themselves when I bring up the 25% rule.

     For multi-unit investment purchase with conventional loan, you have to do 25% down. No option. Anything else someone tells you is just wrong.

  • Rental Property Investor · NH · Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    Some great feedback here! As I don't want to move currently I think I'll just have to go with 25% down then. Thank you all for taking the time to comment!

  • Lender · Winlock, WA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    You can go with a Non-QM loan also known as a portfolio loan. These loans are designed for investors and have higher rates than a Fannie Mae loan. But you can go up to 85% LTV (15% down) on a 4 plex purchase with a min. of 680 credit score. Or you can go up to 80% LTV (20% down) with a min. of 620 credit score.

    If you go that route, I would plan to refinance them into a Fannie Mae loan as soon as you have 25% equity or more? You can use this loan as a stepping stone to buy as many as you can with the goals of refinancing to better rates within a few years from there?

  • Kansas City, MO · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 5 votes
    8y
    @Tara Daniels can you send me that info as well? A link or a phone number? I'm in Missouri so not sure of that makes a difference or not.
  • Kansas City, MO · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 5 votes
    8y
    @Kevin Romines great advice! How can I find a portfolio lender in my steam? ( Kansas City) besides google?
  • Lender · Winlock, WA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Account Closed I PM 'd you the info. you are looking for. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2008 · 784 posts · 528 votes
    8y

    I was just quoted 15% down with Cardinal if I owner Occupy....using Fannie Mae product. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Overland Park, KS · Member since 2016 · 205 posts · 85 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed I'm happy to share contacts here in KC.  Shoot me an email and I can link you up with who we use.  

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