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Tenants not motivated to get vaccinated !

Peter Morgan
Rental Property Investor · West Des Moines, IA · Member since 2018 · 447 posts · 64 votes

Hello,

Covid vaccination is now currently available in my area for free and I myself wavered quite a bit before registering to get vaccinated. I initially wanted to play wait and watch but upon watching few YouTube videos and educating myself I decided to register to get vaccinated (actually I am still not too sure if getting vaccinated is the right decision at this point in time, I just want to keep the ball rolling) interestingly all of my tenants have an absolute stance to not take the vaccine.Anyone ran into this situation with tenants having a divided stance on getting vaccinated in multi-family or multiplex setup? I am trying to get a feel for what is the general notion about getting vaccinated, and how it might impact multi family occupancy especially with tenants having a different perspectives on getting vaccinated.Appreciate your inputs.

Thanks

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Matt Devincenzo
Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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I'm not sure I understand the question. People have chosen to get and not get the flu vaccine every year, and no one ever considered its impact on your tenant or housing at large. While this may not be 'the flu' neither is it 'ebola'...so I'm not going to even bother discussing with my tenants their stance on vaccinating for this, and unless asked don't plan to tell them what I am doing. Enough people will get the vaccinated to at least temper this and things will eventually be fine no matter whether your tenants get vaccinated or not. 

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  • Matt Devincenzo
    Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    I'm not sure I understand the question. People have chosen to get and not get the flu vaccine every year, and no one ever considered its impact on your tenant or housing at large. While this may not be 'the flu' neither is it 'ebola'...so I'm not going to even bother discussing with my tenants their stance on vaccinating for this, and unless asked don't plan to tell them what I am doing. Enough people will get the vaccinated to at least temper this and things will eventually be fine no matter whether your tenants get vaccinated or not. 

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  • Todd Rasmussen
    Rental Property Investor · Clarksville, TN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Peter Morgan

    The tenants that wanted to get vaccinated would be protected from contracting Covid from those that didn't get vaccinated and those that didn't want to get vaccinated would have a 99.6% chance of surviving it if they caught it and a decreased chance of catching it since some would get vaccinated. I think everyone gets to choose and it's still a win win.

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  • Taylor L.
    Rental Property Investor · RVA · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    I'm not sure that's a reasonable request for a property owner to have. If you want to help, that's all well and good. But if you're talking as a prerequisite to lease to someone, I do not think that's the right move. Best to stick to the old tried and true credit score, gross income, and rental history requirements.

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  • Jennifer PetrilloPro Member
    Investor · Asbury, NJ · Member since 2015 · 226 posts · 205 votes
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    Physician here. Vaccine is safe. mRNA technology has been around for more than a decade and has been used in other vaccines. Over 40K Americans received it during clinical trials. 8 million doses now administered with no surprises. The vaccine is a sequence of about a dozen base pairs of synthetically created genetic code in a lipid carrier base, your cells take up the sequence of code and make antibodies in response to it. What are they making antibodies to? The spike protein on the surface of the virus that allows COVID to gain entry into your cells! Then your body just clears the foreign material the way it does any foreign material, it is not being "incorporated" into your DNA in any way, just giving the message to your DNA of what to code for. How did get on the market so fast? (This is another common concern of those who are "vaccine hesitant") For the last year, every lab, every scientist, all the money has flowed to this one goal of vaccination so we can end this pandemic, a lot of red tape was removed and everything was fast tracked, allowing R&D and manufacture and distribution in record time. Freaking awesome. Not having to grow the virus in eggs (like the flu vaccine) also saved a ton of time (and a ton of eggs). Share with your tenants (if you care to) that you got vaccinated and were not afraid to, many people are just waiting to see if everyone around them starts dropping dead or twitching or speaking in tongues when they get vaccinated. When they realize that's not happening, they may reconsider. Overall, the risk of vaccination is much lower than the risk of COVID, as we are finding more and more long term damage from the virus that will have untold effects on many people for years to come (not to mention the high mortality rate in certain demographic groups). The risks don't even compare. Risk of contracting and spreading and becoming sick from COVID is much, much higher than any vaccine risk. You can also influence people with comments such as, "I sure can't wait until this pandemic is over and life can go back to normal, I missed some great concerts last summer and have my fingers crossed that none of the musicians I am holding tickets for drop dead before I can see them!"

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  • James Wise
    Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Peter Morgan:

    Hello,

    Covid vaccination is now currently available in my area for free and I myself wavered quite a bit before registering to get vaccinated. I initially wanted to play wait and watch but upon watching few YouTube videos and educating myself I decided to register to get vaccinated (actually I am still not too sure if getting vaccinated is the right decision at this point in time, I just want to keep the ball rolling) interestingly all of my tenants have an absolute stance to not take the vaccine.Anyone ran into this situation with tenants having a divided stance on getting vaccinated in multi-family or multiplex setup? I am trying to get a feel for what is the general notion about getting vaccinated, and how it might impact multi family occupancy especially with tenants having a different perspectives on getting vaccinated.Appreciate your inputs.

    Thanks

     Why do you know what your tenants stance on a vaccination is? This has nothing to do with the landlord tenant relationship. Eye on the prize man, you shouldn't be getting involved in your tenants lives.

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  • Peter Morgan
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    Rental Property Investor · West Des Moines, IA · Member since 2018 · 447 posts · 64 votes
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    @Matt Devincenzo

    In a multi family scenario there may be two groups of tenants those who will get vaccinated and those who will not. I as a landlord understand that I have no business to probe into who gets vaccinated or who doesn’t but I just wanted to know if this divided situation will make the vaccinated group want to move out, you answered no ,thank you!

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  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
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    It is a personal decision and if they don't want to get it, that is their choice. Same with what they want to drive or eat.

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  • Peter Morgan
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    Rental Property Investor · West Des Moines, IA · Member since 2018 · 447 posts · 64 votes
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    @Jennifer Petrillo

    Thank you very much your response is spot on and also addressed one of my major concerns, typically it takes over ten years to develop a vaccine, this one seemed like it was developed in a rush.

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  • Dennis Wayne
    Member since 2020 · 339 posts · 356 votes
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    Why do you care about your tenants medical choices and what business is it of yours ? Do you ask them if they have ever unprotected inter coarse or if they wash their hands after they poop or what political party they belong to ? Geez you don’t think that’s a bit intrusive ?? Look You are renting out a building to these people not acting as their parent !

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  • Andrew B.
    Rockaway, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    What?!?!? This is not real estate investing anymore. You're intruding on their lives. A landlord shouldn't even be in a position to learn the tenants perspective on vaccines. 

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  • Karl B.
    Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    It's their personal choice whether to get the vaccine or not. Though in the coming years I wouldn't be surprised if some weirdo landlords who were super pro-vaccine put something in their lease regarding vaccines. 

    I wouldn't tell my tenants to stop eating sugar and processed foods so as far as I'm concerned a tenant can do what they want with his or her body and whether or not they want the vaccine is none of my business. 

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  • Peter Morgan
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    Rental Property Investor · West Des Moines, IA · Member since 2018 · 447 posts · 64 votes
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    Originally posted by @Andrew B.:

    What?!?!? This is not real estate investing anymore. You're intruding on their lives. A landlord shouldn't even be in a position to learn the tenants perspective on vaccines. 

     looks like you haven't properly read all my posts and choose to come to your own conclusions to get trollish?

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  • Andrew B.
    Rockaway, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Peter Morgan:
    Originally posted by @Andrew B.:

    What?!?!? This is not real estate investing anymore. You're intruding on their lives. A landlord shouldn't even be in a position to learn the tenants perspective on vaccines. 

     looks like you haven't properly read all my posts and choose to come to your own conclusions to get trollish?

     I re-read your post and stand by what I said. Everyone else has said this is a non-issue as well.

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  • Dan Maciejewski
    Realtor · PInellas County Largo, FL · Member since 2016 · 902 posts · 810 votes
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    I came in here to say basically the same thing as everyone else. 

    Without judgement, I truly wondered why and how you know what their stance is?  I don't know many if any medical issues of my tenants and would prefer to keep it that way.  People can't seem to keep their politics to themselves lately, so I have an idea of some of my tenants political leaning, but I care even less about that.

    It was a good title to get some quick action, though!

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    Originally posted by @Peter Morgan:

    Hello,

    Covid vaccination is now currently available in my area for free and I myself wavered quite a bit before registering to get vaccinated. I initially wanted to play wait and watch but upon watching few YouTube videos and educating myself I decided to register to get vaccinated (actually I am still not too sure if getting vaccinated is the right decision at this point in time, I just want to keep the ball rolling) interestingly all of my tenants have an absolute stance to not take the vaccine.Anyone ran into this situation with tenants having a divided stance on getting vaccinated in multi-family or multiplex setup? I am trying to get a feel for what is the general notion about getting vaccinated, and how it might impact multi family occupancy especially with tenants having a different perspectives on getting vaccinated.Appreciate your inputs.

    Thanks

     Why do you know what your tenants stance on a vaccination is? This has nothing to do with the landlord tenant relationship. Eye on the prize man, you shouldn't be getting involved in your tenants lives.

    from a slightly different angle.  I think it depends on the property.. you have a building with common elevator and close spaces the chance of spread through your building would be greater.. now you have a bunch of folks claiming covid and they stop paying you..  so I do think you have some rights to ensure your cash flow.

    SFRs not as critical of course. 

    I get the anti vac folks..  but covid is real and it has affected a lot of landlords in a negative way.. I just lost a new construction sale B/C my buyers wife has a bad case..  and the long hauler syndrome is real..

    I agree with the doctor who posted above.. what the heck go get the shot.. just like we got the polio shot ( at least i did) and the shots we give our children so they dont get those other nasty things..

    Not saying you can demand it.. but it would be something to think about. 

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  • Peter Morgan
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    Rental Property Investor · West Des Moines, IA · Member since 2018 · 447 posts · 64 votes
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    Originally posted by @Andrew B.:
    Originally posted by @Peter Morgan:
    Originally posted by @Andrew B.:

    What?!?!? This is not real estate investing anymore. You're intruding on their lives. A landlord shouldn't even be in a position to learn the tenants perspective on vaccines. 

     looks like you haven't properly read all my posts and choose to come to your own conclusions to get trollish?

     I re-read your post and stand by what I said. Everyone else has said this is a non-issue as well.

     

    Ok I find "conveniently decoding the posts for a troll"  funny inspite of my reply to Matt's post where I clearly stated ,I as a landlord understand that I have no business to probe into who gets vaccinated or who doesn’t.....

    "In a multi family scenario there may be two groups of tenants those who will get vaccinated and those who will not. I as a landlord understand that I have no business to probe into who gets vaccinated or who doesn’t but I just wanted to know if this divided situation will make the vaccinated group want to move out, you answered no ,thank you!"

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  • James Wise
    Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    Originally posted by @Peter Morgan:

    Hello,

    Covid vaccination is now currently available in my area for free and I myself wavered quite a bit before registering to get vaccinated. I initially wanted to play wait and watch but upon watching few YouTube videos and educating myself I decided to register to get vaccinated (actually I am still not too sure if getting vaccinated is the right decision at this point in time, I just want to keep the ball rolling) interestingly all of my tenants have an absolute stance to not take the vaccine.Anyone ran into this situation with tenants having a divided stance on getting vaccinated in multi-family or multiplex setup? I am trying to get a feel for what is the general notion about getting vaccinated, and how it might impact multi family occupancy especially with tenants having a different perspectives on getting vaccinated.Appreciate your inputs.

    Thanks

     Why do you know what your tenants stance on a vaccination is? This has nothing to do with the landlord tenant relationship. Eye on the prize man, you shouldn't be getting involved in your tenants lives.

    from a slightly different angle.  I think it depends on the property.. you have a building with common elevator and close spaces the chance of spread through your building would be greater.. now you have a bunch of folks claiming covid and they stop paying you..  so I do think you have some rights to ensure your cash flow.

    SFRs not as critical of course. 

    I get the anti vac folks..  but covid is real and it has affected a lot of landlords in a negative way.. I just lost a new construction sale B/C my buyers wife has a bad case..  and the long hauler syndrome is real..

    I agree with the doctor who posted above.. what the heck go get the shot.. just like we got the polio shot ( at least i did) and the shots we give our children so they dont get those other nasty things..

    Not saying you can demand it.. but it would be something to think about. 

    Everyone in the building should proceed with proper PPE assuming everyone may have Covid. This I imagine is how these same people proceed when they go into any other public space like an elevator.

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  • Andrew B.
    Rockaway, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Peter Morgan:
    Originally posted by @Andrew B.:
    Originally posted by @Peter Morgan:
    Originally posted by @Andrew B.:

    What?!?!? This is not real estate investing anymore. You're intruding on their lives. A landlord shouldn't even be in a position to learn the tenants perspective on vaccines. 

     looks like you haven't properly read all my posts and choose to come to your own conclusions to get trollish?

     I re-read your post and stand by what I said. Everyone else has said this is a non-issue as well.

     

    Ok I find "conveniently decoding the posts for a troll"  funny inspite of my reply to Matt's post where I clearly stated ,I as a landlord understand that I have no business to probe into who gets vaccinated or who doesn’t.....

    "In a multi family scenario there may be two groups of tenants those who will get vaccinated and those who will not. I as a landlord understand that I have no business to probe into who gets vaccinated or who doesn’t but I just wanted to know if this divided situation will make the vaccinated group want to move out, you answered no ,thank you!"

     Its so odd that you keep calling me a troll when others have expressed the same sentiment. Either way, I have to focus on enterprises that make me money, so good luck. 

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  • Eric Bilderback
    Real Estate Agent · Sisters, OR · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    In Oregon they are voting on a bill to not let kids go to school unless they have been vaccinated, I can see the state pushing this on landlords or saying we may have liability if tenets are exposed.  It still seems like a stretch but they are pushing this vaccine hard.

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    If it is a common shared environment like a boarding house I would have a lot of concern. I am not sure if I would like to keep tenants who don't get vaccinated in that case but it would get iffy asking for that kind of documentation.  I would just try to make sure if it comes up they are not misinformed.  I know it comes up with tenants in passing when you ask how are you. I have encouraged a few who have health problems to talk to their doctor about the vaccine. No its not my business but its hard to turn off my medical background.

    @Eric Bilderback they already have many vaccine requirements for school children. I think you will see most states add Covid vaccine to those requirements.  That said the vaccine would have to be allowed to be administered to children for that law to go into effect and it is not. 

    Also everyone should keep in mind while this is thought to be once in a lifetime event we have no guarantee it can't happen again.

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  • Peter Morgan
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    Rental Property Investor · West Des Moines, IA · Member since 2018 · 447 posts · 64 votes
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    @Colleen F.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

    On the flip side any thoughts on this news story 23 die in Norway after getting vaccine.

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  • Morgan Nilsen
    Rental Property Investor · Sandefjord, Norway · Member since 2015 · 202 posts · 87 votes
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    @Peter Morgan

    Im Norwegian. This is not true. Noone has died in Norway from the vaccine.

    😑

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Peter Morgan  my first question would be why only Norway? Is is the same nursing home? Not to be callous but these people died within a few days of a vaccine as was stated in the article and many older people do die within days of getting a vaccine. It can be totally unrelated to the vaccine, it is required that deaths be reported to the health regulatory agencies including details of each case.  It can be that deaths were deemed not related to the drug by these agencies.  The FDA, EMEA, and individual country agencies are evaluating these vaccines on an ongoing basis, they did not just let companies put them on the market and forget about it. 

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  • Morgan Nilsen
    Rental Property Investor · Sandefjord, Norway · Member since 2015 · 202 posts · 87 votes
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    @Colleen F. Litteraly noone has died here from this 😂 look for this «fact» in any other media.

    Norway is such a small country that if even 1 person died from this it would be front page news.

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Morgan Nilsen yes, I know the population is small and maybe it is the US media but it is in several publications. What I tried to explain it that deaths occurring within 30 days of receiving the vaccine must be reported to regulatory agencies regardless of why they die. The cause and effect is not established and people die for lots of reasons. The media is picking this up and drawing their own conclusions.

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