Case Study: Finding the "Tipping Point" Between STR and LTR

Case Study: Finding the "Tipping Point" Between STR and LTR

Member since 2025 · 17 posts · 5 votes

When evaluating a property for Short-Term Rental (STR) vs. Long-Term Rental (LTR), many investors focus on gross nightly rates. However, the real decision should be based on the "Tipping Point", which is the exact occupancy rate where the STR's higher overhead is actually justified by the net profit.

I recently modeled this for a 3,436 sqft property in the Inland Empire to see where that line is drawn in today's market.

The Financial Model:

- LTR Baseline: Based on 146 local 5BR comps, the median market rent is $4,100/month, netting roughly $3,854 after management fees.

- STR Crossover: To match that $3,854 net, this property requires a 71% occupancy rate at a base price of $343/night.

- The "Hidden" Friction: For a house this size, the operational costs are significant. We factored in about $200 in cleaning fees per stay, 15.5% for platform fees, and roughly $250 in utilities.

The 3-Year Outlook: Stability often wins over long horizons. Even at a "moderate" 70% occupancy, the 3-year cumulative income for the STR was $1,684 lower than the LTR ($141,242 vs. $142,906). This is due to the higher management intensity, estimated at 12 hours/month for STR vs. 2 hours for LTR as well as the consistent cash flow of a long-term lease.

The Takeaway: STR offers a great "Best-Case" upside (+$515/month at 80% occupancy), but the margin for error is thinner than most realize.

I'm looking for your feedback on this approach:

1. Do you use a similar "Break-Even Occupancy" metric when pitching a strategy to partners or clients?

2. What "hidden costs" (like specialized insurance or deep cleaning) do you feel are most often missed in these comparisons?

3. Would you find an analysis like this helpful for determining which strategy to use when deciding whether to list a property as a short-term or long-term rental?

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John UnderwoodPro Member
Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
7mo

You also have to look at seasonality for nightly rates and occupancy. 

Then all your expenses. 

There are specialized STR spreadsheets that help you analyze a potential property.

Several of these spreadsheets have already been posted on this forum so that people can search for and find these.

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  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    7mo

    You also have to look at seasonality for nightly rates and occupancy. 

    Then all your expenses. 

    There are specialized STR spreadsheets that help you analyze a potential property.

    Several of these spreadsheets have already been posted on this forum so that people can search for and find these.

  • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7mo

    With a LTR you aren’t paying for the power, cable/wifi, toilet paper, coffee etc. so that’s several hundred on top of your LTR overhead. You certainly aren’t furnishing it, so you have to account for that somehow as well. 

    Maintenance can also be more expensive because you don't have time to shop around for vendors. You end up paying $2k more for the HVAC unit to the company that can get it done tomorrow because you lose more than that in bookings if you wait until next week with the more economical vendor. With a LTR your tenants can live with some degree of disruption, while th STR guest will ding you for a refund for every minor fix.

    There's lots of hidden ways that STR costs you more. no matter how you estimate the revenue, I think you need at least $1500/month spread over LTR rent to make STR worthwhile.

  • Andrew SteffensBusiness Member
    Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7mo

    Usually if it gets that close between STR and LTR, LTR is the winner unless there is a personal use factor involved. Usually the best STR's are very clearly STR's from the start.

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    7mo

    @Leo Liyour analysis uses several fallacies that are not true.

    A short term vacation rental does not need to have management fees when self managed. A STVR can generate all bookings without any 15% platform fees. At the very most there are STVR marketing companies that charge only 6% for direct booking reservations. 

    You assume 100% occupancy for the LTR when that is not a reasonable assumption. You don t factor in any maintenance costs, they should be included.

    Your analysis does not take into consideration the value of the property. Example, you can t compare a $550k STVR duplex to a $750k home used as a LTR. To calculate a ConC return you need to know amount of cash invested in analysis.

    • Member since 2025 · 17 posts · 5 votes
      7mo

       @Todd Goedeke Great points and you’re right that several of these assumptions can change materially depending on how the asset is operated.

      A few clarifications on how I approached this model:

      1. Management & Platform Fees
        I agree that a self-managed STVR with direct bookings can materially reduce costs. The model intentionally used a market-average, outsourced operating structure (platform distribution + standard fees) to create a conservative, repeatable baseline, especially for investors who value time or operate at scale.That said, removing or reducing platform fees absolutely shifts the STR tipping point lower, and that's a meaningful advantage for hands-on operators.

      2. LTR Occupancy Assumption
        Fair call. The LTR side assumes stabilized occupancy, which in practice still includes turnover and vacancy risk. A more complete version would haircut LTR income for vacancy and include leasing costs which would narrow (or reverse) the gap in some scenarios.

      3. Maintenance & Reserves
        Agreed this should be included on both sides. In this case, I treated maintenance as roughly equivalent across strategies given the same asset, but you’re right that usage intensity differs and a reserve line item would improve precision.

      4. Asset Value & Return Metrics
        Completely agree you can’t compare strategies without anchoring to capital invested. This analysis was not meant to be a full return-on-equity or CoC comparison, but rather an operational income crossover on a single property.
        A full underwriting would absolutely include purchase price, furnishing costs, and leverage assumptions.

      The intent of the post wasn't to declare STRs inferior, it was to highlight that the STR advantage depends heavily on execution and occupancy, and that the margin for error is often underestimated.

      If you self-manage, drive direct bookings, and optimize operations, the numbers can look very different and often much better. This was simply one conservative lens to frame the decision.

      Appreciate you pushing on the assumptions, it’s exactly how better models get built!

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    7mo

    @ Jon Martin property owners who are passive investors have none of the costs you referred with their STVR.

    Passive owner/ investors lease their property to management companies. Those management companies pay a fixed lease payment. The management company provides furnishings and is responsible for all interior maintenance and grounds maintenance.

    • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      7mo
      Quote from @Todd Goedeke:

      @ Jon Martin property owners who are passive investors have none of the costs you referred with their STVR.

      Passive owner/ investors lease their property to management companies. Those management companies pay a fixed lease payment. The management company provides furnishings and is responsible for all interior maintenance and grounds maintenance.

      @Todd Goedeke Sounds like you are describing arbitrage, which I have no interest in as either an owner or a manager. Those who make it work, good for them, but it's not for me. 

      My guess is that more owners than not furnish their own properties and pay all of the costs above, even if they sub out the actual management part.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    7mo

    @Todd Goedeke is right. The maintenance is obviously MUCH higher on the STR, and you can't shop around so that more maintenance is done at a more expensive rate. And you certainly don't need a PM for LTR if you think for one second you can do a STR without a PM. It would be easier to manage 10 LTR than 1 STR. And certainly the time freedom of LTR'is worth nothing to STR operators. And let's not forget the financial disaster if your market decides to outlaw STR's.

    I use to think there were "a lot" of scammers in LTR, but it has to be 5X, maybe 10x in STR. And certainly there's a lot more liability at STR. And don't forget you're not going to get that max room rate during the summer at your ski STR or the winter at your beach get away. In fact "the Google" says…

    Average Airbnb occupancy rates in the U.S. typically range between 50% and 60%, with 54–55% being a common benchmark for 2024-2025.

    Certainly talk to the STR owners in the smokies. Anyway. Cut his example STR income by 10-20%. I don't think I'd do it if the income was double, I might do MTR for double. MAYBE. Depending on the vacancy length between tenants. And the amount of additional work.

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    7mo

    @Bill B.a truly passive investor owning a STVR has no management costs or labor. He triple net leases the property on a long term lease to a hospitality management company. The only labor involved is checking the bank account for lease payments. 

    As to risk of local governments changing policy, that does not happen. Vacation areas government services depend on STVR income hospitality taxes. Building in areas zoned for STVRs solves any regulation problem.

    There are masses of investors that will accept fixed ConC returns of 14%+ via RE investing in STVR properties with no labor involved.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    7mo

    @Todd Goedeke

    It happened in Vegas. We aren’t a vacation area? 

    This happened July 2022… seems like a pretty big change.

    Yes, for the City of Las Vegas, you generally must live in the property as your primary residence and be present during the rental period to operate a short-term rental (STR) legally. The strict "owner-occupied" rule requires the owner to reside on-site, meaning you can typically only rent out rooms or a casita, not an entire vacant house.


    What percent of STR are rented out to business that then do STR? 1% 2%. (Which means YOU are basically running a LTR, not a STR.) You could do the same comparison with LTR by renting it to a sober home or Senior living home and double the rent with zero management. Then LTR wins again. But that wasn't the OP's point. He was talking basic LTR vs basic STR.

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    7mo

    @Bill B. It defys logic Saying that STVR vacation areas can be compared to Las Vegas. Just because Las Vegas STVR regulations are controlled by the casino industry does not mean any other vacation areas can is controlled by casinos.

    No, vacation areas that cater to STVRs and depend on hospitality taxes as they have for years will not be stripped of their business niche.

  • Contractor · Sheboygan, WI · Member since 2016 · 917 posts · 266 votes
    7mo

    @Jon Martin using words like " sounds if" and " guess" reveals you don't know anything about triple net leasing involving RE. No, long term NNN leases where a management company pays for all furnishings is not arbitrage.

    Don’t make comments on something you know nothing about if you want to be credible.

    • Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      7mo
      Quote from @Todd Goedeke:

      @Jon Martin using words like " sounds if" and " guess" reveals you don't know anything about triple net leasing involving RE. No, long term NNN leases where a management company pays for all furnishings is not arbitrage.

      Don’t make comments on something you know nothing about if you want to be credible.

      @Todd Goedeke
      I never claimed to know much of anything about NNN or commercial lease agreements. What I said is that arbitrage is not of interest to me.

      What I do know is that if it’s worth someone’s effort and capital to rent my property and then arbitrage it, that there is more profitability that I can capture if I do it myself.

      There’s a reason why your vote to post count ratio is the among the lowest of regular posters here. I can’t think of anything less important than proving my credibility (or lack thereof) to you. 

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