When a Flip Goes Bad, Is Holding It as a Rental Actually Smart?

When a Flip Goes Bad, Is Holding It as a Rental Actually Smart?

Lender · Member since 2025 · 41 posts · 13 votes

I’m seeing this a lot lately and wanted to get some real-world opinions.

When a flip doesn’t go as planned, longer DOM, thinner margins, higher holding costs, a lot of investors decide to keep the property as a rental instead of selling at a loss. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it feels like the only option.

But I keep wondering where the line is between being flexible and just not wanting to take the loss.

I’ve seen deals where the rental only works if everything goes perfectly. Full occupancy, no big repairs, rent projections that feel a little optimistic. In those cases, the deal didn’t really improve, the strategy just changed because selling would hurt.

At the same time, I know investors who always underwrite flips with a rental exit from day one. For them, holding isn’t emotional, it’s just part of the plan if the market shifts. So I’m curious how others here think about it.

When a flip starts going sideways, do you usually hold and ride it out, or do you cut losses and move on?
What makes you decide one way or the other?
And looking back, were you happy with that decision?

Would love to hear how others are handling this in today’s market.

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Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
8mo

The answer like most answers is, it depends. As as there is mentioned, some underwrite these deals as a flip or holding long-term. If the numbers work and it can cash flow as a rental, then it can be a lot more lucrative to build wealth as overtime real estate has appreciated. You typically should also avoid any major cost expenditures since you just renovated the property. 
some people are financially stable to hold the asset and others or not. I believe that is important to take into consideration,

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  • Realtor · Oklahoma City · Member since 2020 · 258 posts · 139 votes
    8mo

    I feel like this is more and more common today with people that are just getting into real estate investing, buying at top dollar, and in general underestimate the construction costs in the scope of work. 

    With all that said, determining a good scope of work is one part of the entire process when analyzing deals, but many do not factor in increased holding costs, don't actually know how much some things will cost, miss things and causes many to freak out a little more than need.

    When analyzing deals, one should factor in their profit and the entire scope of work (plus extra, to include holding costs for how long the project will be) from the ARV before coming to their max allowable offer. You can possibly sacrifice some of the profit or cut corners on the remodeling side of things (cheaper materials, cheaper labor, etc. both have their pros and cons). Investors that do have experience will have great crews, get things at more economies of scale (because of volume and efficiency), and operate on a tight schedule with rigid standards of quality control. Risk reduction is often overlooked by most people starting out.

    For your questions, I really think it depends on the experience, situation, and resources of the investor that will ultimately decide the options on riding it out or fire selling it.

    Having enough money in reserves, or lines of credit can help smooth the ride (but one should not rob Peter to pay Paul all the time), access to credit cards can help pay some materials/labor, ensuring if starting out one is still making money elsewhere (job, business, other investments, etc.), do you have people you can lean on to for help (coaches, mentors, team, skilled professionals, partners, etc.). There are so many creative ways to save things if one has perspective, but there can be situations where cutting ones losses may be best before further damages.

  • Investor · Member since 2024 · 79 posts · 32 votes
    8mo

    If the property will cash flow and you have Capital to move on to the next deal there is no reason to sell it

  • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8mo
    Quote from @Doug Clark:

    I’m seeing this a lot lately and wanted to get some real-world opinions.

    When a flip doesn’t go as planned, longer DOM, thinner margins, higher holding costs, a lot of investors decide to keep the property as a rental instead of selling at a loss. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it feels like the only option.

    But I keep wondering where the line is between being flexible and just not wanting to take the loss.

    I’ve seen deals where the rental only works if everything goes perfectly. Full occupancy, no big repairs, rent projections that feel a little optimistic. In those cases, the deal didn’t really improve, the strategy just changed because selling would hurt.

    At the same time, I know investors who always underwrite flips with a rental exit from day one. For them, holding isn’t emotional, it’s just part of the plan if the market shifts. So I’m curious how others here think about it.

    When a flip starts going sideways, do you usually hold and ride it out, or do you cut losses and move on?
    What makes you decide one way or the other?
    And looking back, were you happy with that decision?

    Would love to hear how others are handling this in today’s market.

    Have you compared the tax you pay on a flip against the tax you after selling as a rental?
  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    8mo

    The answer like most answers is, it depends. As as there is mentioned, some underwrite these deals as a flip or holding long-term. If the numbers work and it can cash flow as a rental, then it can be a lot more lucrative to build wealth as overtime real estate has appreciated. You typically should also avoid any major cost expenditures since you just renovated the property. 
    some people are financially stable to hold the asset and others or not. I believe that is important to take into consideration,

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  • Stacy RaskinBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 508 votes
    8mo

    There are clients who were fine to convert their flip to a rental and others who really don't like being a landlord. If you're ok with being a landlord, then it can be a good way to not lose money on the deal if you aren't getting what you're interested in for the sales price. It will depend on if you live in the area of the rental or if you have property management that will handle the screening process. I hear complaints about property management when investors/landlords are out of state so that seems to be an important factor in the decision making process. Also, what kind of area is it and what kind of potential tenant issues will the investor possibly dealing with long term. Some factors to consider as to what would be the best best exit plan from a flip. 

  • Ryan IrwinPro Member
    Investor · Ankeny, IA · Member since 2022 · 159 posts · 129 votes
    8mo

    This is a great discussion and finding multiple exit strategies is always a prudent part of the underwriting process when it comes to flipping.  

    Another exit scenario is looking at converting a flip to an STR. Usually the finishes on a flip are higher quality than perhaps most would do or need to have for a LTR, which is conducive for a STR. Of course, additional capital has to be brought in to furnish, along with determining if it would even be a good STR in the market.

    To @Stacy Raskin's point, if an investor doesn't want to be an STR operator (or has the experience) another strategy could be having another STR operator either co-host or do an STR arbitrage scenario.

    Again, like @Chris Seveney said, the answer is "it depends" and let the numbers (and experience) guide the decisions.  

  • Peter MckernanBusiness Member
    Residential Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8mo

    This all depends on the situation... If you want to hold out to the full offer, or profit to make you whole that is one thing. Typically there is a breaking point as people have posted on here. There will come a time on the holding costs and leverage that it does not make sense to hold on anymore and start to drop the price more, take the loss and move on. This is something we are seeing more and more today. It is true because more areas have higher days on market and selling timeframes/pricing is not working out for the first numbers.

    You need to take it case-by-case. One example.. I did a partnership last year, and we did a deal with higher holding costs along with pricing the home at a price we felt good with, and after a couple months we had to aggressively price the home lower due to the holding costs and get to a point where we broke even. This is typical for many deals across the board. 

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  • Frank PyleBusiness Member
    Specialist · USA · Member since 2024 · 279 posts · 130 votes
    8mo

    Hold it only if it underwrites as a rental on today’s real numbers, not because selling hurts.

    Quick check is rent minus PITI minus property management minus maintenance and capex, and you still want a cushion plus reserves for vacancy and repairs. If the rental only works with perfect occupancy and top end rent guesses, you are just delaying the loss and taking on more risk.

    The actionable move is rerun the deal like a clean rental today using conservative rent, 8 to 10 percent vacancy, and real insurance and taxes, then compare that to the loss you take by selling now.

    What are the actual monthly PITI and the realistic rent you are seeing today, and how much cash would you have left after closing if you sold it now?

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  • Investor · Member since 2024 · 79 posts · 32 votes
    8mo

    Single family has low vacancy and it's just remodeled so low maintenance

  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    8mo

    I do my underwriting in the opposite direction.  Plan A is a brrrr.  If the rental market falls, Plan b is to flip.   Fortunately I have never had to exercise plan b.  However, I think it is safe to have alternate exit plans to reduce risk.  Underwriting multiple scenarios with multiple exits is being thorough and reducing risk.

    I believe my statements are true even if plan A is to flip and plan B is to rent.  It is never bad to have multiple exits.

    Good luck

    • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      8mo
      Quote from @Dan H.:

      I do my underwriting in the opposite direction.  Plan A is a brrrr.  If the rental market falls, Plan b is to flip.   Fortunately I have never had to exercise plan b.  However, I think it is safe to have alternate exit plans to reduce risk.  Underwriting multiple scenarios with multiple exits is being thorough and reducing risk.

      I believe my statements are true even if plan A is to flip and plan B is to rent.  It is never bad to have multiple exits.

      Good luck

      @Dan H.: Agreed.

      A wise investor ALWAYS has a back up plan going into a purchase.
  • Investor · Member since 2024 · 79 posts · 32 votes
    8mo

    The thing is that usually in high class neighborhoods is it harder to cash flow but it's safer for flipping because people valued more renovated houses than outdated and also the prices are enough High to stay with profit and on the other hand the class C neighborhoods if it's go wrong you can keep it as a rental and sometimes even cash out refinance because even the market shift appraisal still looks on the old comps

  • Sean GrahamBusiness Member
    Investor , CPA · Detroit, MI · Member since 2016 · 584 posts · 248 votes
    8mo

    Hi Doug, if holding as a rental becomes a viable option, remember to consider a cost segregation study immediately. Converting from a flip to a rental property makes it eligible for accelerated depreciation. A study can identify and reclassify components, often accounting for 20-30% of the property's basis, into shorter depreciation schedules (5, 7, or 15 years), and often includes 100% bonus depreciation. This generates substantial upfront tax deductions, significantly improving cash flow, and can help offset the unexpected hold.
    Hope that helps!

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  • Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
    CPA, CFP®, PFS · FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8mo

    @Doug Clark

    This is such a good question, and from a tax perspective, it really depends on your overall situation. Sometimes taking the loss makes sense, especially if you have other income or businesses it can offset. Other times, holding it as a rental makes sense.

    I like what Chase mentioned about how much it depends on your "experience, bandwidth, and resources." If it’s in a strong area you believe in and managing the property won’t stretch you thin, holding it makes a lot of sense. Of course, it might not have been your original plan, but there are plenty of situations today, our clients included, where renting it actually worked out just as well for them.

    You'll also want to think about the tax side. Flips are taxed as ordinary income, but holding the property as a rental and selling later can qualify for long-term capital gains and give you depreciation benefits, which can make a big difference. I saw someone above mention considering an STR - turning it into a short-term rental can make sense if you're looking to offset higher W-2 income, and even if it is an LTR adding it to your portfolio can help work toward REP status since management time counts toward material participation hours. I also agree with Sean on cost segregation. If the rental does work out, you could consider getting a cost seg, accelerate depreciation, and create early losses to offset other income. Like I said at the beginning and others mentioned in the thread, it really depends on your goals and overall picture.

    I am glad someone brought these questions up because it is a good reminder as we head into this year to think through your exits before you buy and see how each outcome fits with your overall financial and tax picture. Good luck and happy to connect.

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