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John Sides
  • St. Louis, MO
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I think I'm ready to buy my first property. Seasoned advice please

John Sides
  • St. Louis, MO
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I think I’m finally ready to buy my first investment property.

I’ve been working with a lender who is very familiar with working with real estate investors, and he also works with a few agents who regularly help other investors. I’m thinking it would make sense to reach out to one of those agents and have them help me start looking for properties in the areas I’m interested in investing.

My wife is definitely nervous about this whole adventure 😂, but she understands my goals and has given me the green light to go for it. So now I’m trying to make sure I approach this the right way and learn as much as I can before pulling the trigger.

For those of you who are smaller investors and self-manage your properties, I’d love to hear what you use for the day-to-day management side of things.

Specifically:

  • What apps or software do you use to screen tenants?

  • How do you handle rent collection?

  • How do you handle work orders and maintenance requests?

  • Do you use one platform that handles most of this, or a combination of different apps?

  • What do you wish you had known before buying your first property?

I’m also very open to sitting down with someone who has been through this process and is willing to share some knowledge. I’m not looking for someone to hold my hand, but I’d definitely appreciate learning from someone who has already made the mistakes and figured out what works. If anyone in the area is willing to grab a coffee or sit down and talk real estate, I’d be happy to listen and learn.

I’m not looking to build some huge portfolio overnight. I’d rather start with one good property, learn the process, and build from there.

Would love to hear what other small investors are using and what has worked (or hasn’t worked) for you.

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Drew Sygit
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  • Royal Oak, MI
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Drew Sygit
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Going to address issues you did NOT ask about, that are more important.

How much do you know about Property Classes?

Recommend you spend some time learning about them, so you don’t mistakenly buy a property that will NEVER meet your expectations!

A common issue, so Copy & Paste info below:

You’re ALWAYS better off investing locally, where it’s easier to:

·         Learn the market

·         Network to find deals

·         Network to find contractors

·         Be more hands-on

·         Driveby property to keep tabs on it

·         Network to find a decent Property Management Company (PMC)

Next best location is somewhere else you lived, where you have an existing network of family & friends to help you as accomplish the above list as needed.

If you invest OOS, your biggest challenge won't be finding properties to meet your goals on paper, it’ll be successfully building a knowledgeable & trustworthy local team.

The biggest mistake we see OOS investors making in our market, over and over again, is not fully understanding Neighborhood/Property/Tenant Classes and how they impact your probability of success!

They all run their ROI numbers assuming Class A results – when buying Class B, C & even D rentals.

Then they’re shocked when their performance expectations aren't met😞

If you choose to invest OOS, and have little to no landlord experience, we highly recommend targeting Class B Neighborhoods/Properties/Tenants. If you target Class C, you better be prepared emotionally & financially for plenty of challenges.

You can find Class B properties in the Midwest to BRRRR, but it will take more digging and YOU will need to understand how to analyze & identify them - because a lot of agents, wholesalers, PMCs, etc. will try to sell you Class C or D misrepresented as Class B:

·         Many of them don't know/care what Class the properties are, so they're incompetent.

·         Others know exactly what they are doing, so should be labeled as crooks!
EITHER WAY YOU LOSE!

Why is Property Class so important for investors to understand and apply in their investing strategies?

Because the Property Class dictates the Class of the tenant pool that the property will attract.

The Tenant Class greatly impacts rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

Both Property Class and Tenant Class will affect what type of contractors, handymen and property management companies you should target and be willing to deal with a property.

The Property Class will also impact the maintenance & renovations you do to, “Maintain to the Neighborhood/Market”.

Why is that important?

Well, if you buy & renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what Tenant Class will actually rent it?

Or, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A four-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

What do you think will happen if you rehab a Class D rental to Class A standards?

So, if you fail to apply the correct assumptions to a property, your expectations won’t be met, and it may even be a financial disaster.

We use the following to rank Property Classes, in order of importance:

  • Property Tenant Pool: closely linked to location, but not always.

  • Property Location: closely linked to tenant pool, but not always.

  • Property Condition & Amenities: it’s important to, “Maintain to the Neighborhood/Market.”

Key metrics for each Property Class:

Class A Properties:
Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 680+, no convictions/evictions in last 7 years.
Tenant Default: 0-5% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
Section 8: Class A rents are too high and won’t be approved.
Vacancies: 5-10%, depending on market conditions.
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.

Class B Properties:
Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 620-680, some blemishes, no convictions/evictions in last 5 years.
Tenant Default
: 5-10% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
Vacancies
: 10-15%, depending on market conditions.
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 1-3 years for positive cashflow, balanced amounts of relative rent & value appreciation.
Section 8: Class B rents are usually too high for the Section 8 program.

Class C Properties:
Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores 560-620, many blemishes, but should have no convictions/evictions in last 3 years. Verifying recent 2-years of rental history very important! Same for 2-years of job/income stability.
Tenant Default: 10-20% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
Section 8: Class C rents usually meet program requirements, proper screening still recommended.
Vacancies: 10-20%, depending on market conditions and tenant screening.
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Should cashflow immediately, at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation.

Class D Properties:
Tenant Pool: Majority of FICO scores under 560, little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, but should have no convictions/evictions in last 12 months. Verifying last 2-years of rental history and income/employment extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.
Tenant Default: 20-30% probability of eviction or early lease termination.
Section 8: Class D rents meet program requirements, often challenges to pass Section 8 inspection.
Vacancies: 20%+, depending on market conditions and tenant screening.
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation.

Where did we get our FICO credit score information from?

Check out this chart:

FICO Score

Pct of Population

Default Probability

800 or more

13.00%

1.00%

750-799

27.00%

1.00%

700-749

18.00%

4.40%

650-699

15.00%

8.90%

600-649

12.00%

15.80%

550-599

8.00%

22.50%

500-549

5.00%

28.40%

Less than 499

2.00%

41.00%

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

For example, Metro Detroit has 132 cities and the City of Detroit 183 Neighborhoods, which we’re analyzing and classifying to make better investing decisions.

Horror Stories from those that did NOT Understand What they were Buying:

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