Landlording & Rental Properties

How to Avoid Renovation Mistakes on Your Rental Properties

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If read thoroughly, this article should offer immense value at my expense. I’m wrapping up a renovation in which I just made plenty of mistakes. The rental looks great, but in turning over the unit, I upgraded unnecessary components that simply won’t add to cash flow. I went a bit too far with additional costs in order to modernize things. My future tenant(s) will be lucky as a result. Allow me to explain how the situation arose. I’ll be sure to include pictures along the way.

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The Tenants Move Out

My former tenants rented the unit for nearly three years. In my past article, I referenced an REO – this is the one for $85,500. It has been a great investment, but the husband had offered me a deal that ultimately led to a money drain. He was a handy guy and was doing a renovation in an affluent neighborhood, and mentioned that the granite and cabinetry being pulled out of the kitchen were in great condition. My ears perked up. I love upgrades. He offered to pull out the old cabinetry in my unit and place the “new” stuff in there in exchange for one month’s rent.

Ummmm, new kitchen for that? Deal.

This Wasn’t the Bargain

The cabinets looked terrific in pictures once installed, but for some reason, the granite simply didn’t look right. I hadn’t gone to the unit yet. Instead, I was being sent progress pictures on my phone. Big mistake. Lesson learned? Trust, but verify.

The cuts of the granite weren’t the same width (they must have come from different sections). They were pieced off, leaving seams everywhere. It looked terrible. The contractors I brought in refused to touch or fix it. The original formica had already been damaged in removal, so going back to the original countertop was out. I can see the cash flow riding off in the sunset in my mind.

As a result of this charade, the tenants and I mutually agreed to go our separate ways. They had two dogs, so the carpets in both bedrooms had to go. Let this be a lesson that if a deal sounds too good to be true, it usually is. I had to buy new granite for a new tenant. This isn’t how to operate a self-managed rental properly.

Remodel Time

For some strange reason, I find satisfaction in doing some of the work myself. The unit was now vacant, with the original laminate floors and worn baseboards. My thought process churned: I’m already redoing the bedrooms, might as well go all the way and tile it all.

The condition was pretty much original from when I had purchased the unit from the bank. It was about to change drastically. The carpets had been been torn out. There were holes everywhere from paintings and artwork. It was time to get to repair work and my arch nemesis … popcorn on the ceilings. I single-handedly scraped the popcorn off of the entire unit and patched all of the walls and prepped for paint. I consumed two full audiobooks in the process, so it was a win-win.

Getting Out of Hand

The decision to put porcelain tile down in the whole unit wasn't a mistake. I love the durability of tile and the maintenance savings for landlords. But don't fret, the mistakes are coming. I found a gorgeous cost-effective porcelain tile at Home Depot and ordered it for delivery. I called in a contractor to lay the tile. He agreed on the labor costs of $2.25 per square foot (a pretty good price, FYI). The conversation unraveled into disaster:

Contractor: We are putting in all new tile. Would you like to replace the vanity in the guest bathroom?

Me: Yeah; no point in having an old vanity on beautiful new tile. (Mistake)

Contractor: Would you like to put in a new toilet, too?

Me: Yeah, might as well. It will look more polished. (Mistake. So unnecessary.)

Contractor: The guest bathroom vanity looks a bit old too. Want to just do that and the master toilet as well?

Me: If I’m doing everything else, let’s just go ahead. (More cash flow just evaporated.)

Contractor:  The base boards… do you want standard, or the nice tall ones?

Me: That sounds like a personal challenge. Get me the nice ones. (OK that’s not what I said, but you get the point.)

The Finish Line

The chandelier was almost required at this point. In turn, replacing the rest of the fixtures became necessary from fear of an eye sore. The granite was a choice I found at a steep discount from a past business, so that was a score for me. Overall, the baseboards, the vanities, the toilets, and the fixtures were completely unneccessary and didn’t add enough value to produce the same amount of cash that I put into it.

The cabinets and countertop were a judgement mistake I made when presented with a deal from a tenant. In the end the unit looks great, but now runs the risk of being damaged by new tenants. The lesson here is that rental units are not a landlord’s home, and shouldn’t be renovated as such. Cost mitigation is crucial to a fruitful cash-flow venture.

A tenant is ready to move in at $1,450 per month, and neighbors have offered to purchase the unit, but now I need to make back the cash I just spent. Do not make the mistakes I made. Analyze and simply fix and repair units for maximum cash flow. Aesthetics can get landlords in trouble. Lesson learned.

Have you ever gotten carried away with a renovation?

Share your experience in the comments below!

Gus Ross is a managing member of Ownup Capital. An accredited investor with goals of expansion, Gus is always evolving strategies for acquisition and analysis of properties throughout the country. An avid reader and seeking to learn and grow everyday, he has ultimate goals of philanthropy, business, and personal growth. A visitor at local REIA meetings, he is always seeking to network and meet investors and align goals and interests. Ownup Capital

    The German
    Replied about 11 years ago
    I believe that the best real estate sales happen in the country side. It is a win-win situation and that is a market that can never slow down. In an area like rural Germany or France, the vistas are so beautiful that people can’t resist it. And the price is also pretty realistic. Nice article and all the 4 points make sense. Thanks 🙂
    Crystal Tost
    Replied about 9 years ago
    I find the advertising in other countries and in mediums that are not real estate related a waster of money and time. I think targeted advertising coupled with good pricing and proper presentation will get the house sold to a local buyer that is likely out there as we speak. Why focus on an audience that you are not even sure exists in mediums that are not targeted?
    David Grbich
    Replied over 8 years ago
    Setting a realistic list price at 10% below market may lead to a very lonely existence as a realtor – not many sellers in the California market have the equity to price 10% below market – but yes that should get the home sold. Great point overall – thanks.
    Alex Abanto Investor from Boca Raton, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    great article same dilemna im gonna have in the very near future..Original kitchen particle board. Original bath,,vanity tub etc…I have a price point in general and want to get my money back i guess in 2 years with increased rent, I have a hard time figuring out how much i should spend dollar wise..is it 5k can i get away with 3k?. definately dont want to spend 7k problem is once we stat these costs add up..any advice would appreciate it
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Thanks for the comments Alex, ya it certainly is a tough call. It’s something called the House Money effect and tends to effect our decisions. The best route in my opinion is to form a strategy prior to starting and stick to it.
    Angelou Masters Investor from Oakland, California
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Use tile or durable laminate when possible and stay away from carpet. With tile or laminate if a piece goes bad or breaks you can just replace that part and move on to the next tenant. I use a charcoal grout for tile the neutral colors look nice but always end up black anyway. Paint everything the same color with a semi gloss sheen that way you can just touch up the paint when the tenant moves because semi gloss paint is very durable and can be wiped clean in most cases .And by painting all the rooms the same color you will always have paint that you can use instead of a storage room full of miscellaneous colors. Buy cost effective name brand faucets and tub valves not the cheapest generic brands. With the brand name at least you can find replacement parts and the will not break as easily. If you can afford granite or quartz for your kitchen and bathroom counters go for it, the cheaper stuff will suffice here and is just as durable plus you can always buy remnants or search the bone yards at your local supplier. Durable materials can be found for very good prices and will decrease your turnover cost and keep money in your pocket!
    David Roberts from Brownstown, Michigan
    Replied over 1 year ago
    I just do not agree. There are some amazing investors that have been on BP podcasts that rehab to flip level and rent it, be all in at 75% of arv, then cash it all out. Not only do you get all of your money back, but if you screen for the best tenants that want a wonderful place like you now have, then over time they hopefully stay for many many yearrs and take care of it. So that 10% vacancy that every investor accounts for yearly will go right in your pocket. Because things are new, the chance of beinf calledover there is drastically reduced (time save for you). We have adopted the model of other investors that do it this way, and we have absolutely amazing tenants that never bug us and keep the houses in great shape. What market are you in? I wish you the best!
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Thanks for your thoughts David. My main goal is to provide value by giving current and future investors insight into potential problems and help avoid them. Your route can certainly be a correct one. Thanks again for your insights.
    Ryan Schroeder Rental Property Investor from Saint Paul, MN
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Certainly mistakes were made in your renovation…we all make them; however I have a different take. In my early years I did things quick and cheap…had to as cash was tight. However, I wish I had found some way to do things right! Now, when I’m doing a renovation I make sure I take care of all future problems. That often means new plumbing, new electrical (I now run only 20 amp circuits instead of 15 in the old days); I tear out any carpet and put in tile or wood flooring, all new cabinets and stainless appliances (5 burner stainless gas stoves aren’t that much more expensive than cheap 4 burner Hotpoints over the long haul). All new light fixtures and the like. As a result I have acquired much better and much longer term tenants. Of course I wouldn’t do this in a C or D neighborhood.
    Nora Davila
    Replied 8 months ago
    Thanks for the feedback.
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Great take Ryan. Thank you very much for your thoughts.
    Anna M. Investor from Denver, Colorado
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Thanks Gus for sharing. I have saved this article as a reminder to myself for doing the same thing. I since know better and try not to get caught up in the whole trying to “modernize” everything that I will in the end not see a ROI. “rental units are not a landlord’s home, and shouldn’t be renovated as such.” Very, very valuable lesson learned on my part too. “Aesthetics can get landlords in trouble” You can say that again, because of it I am still working to pay down what is left of the debt incurred and I will not make that mistake again.
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    I’m glad I can offer some value Anna. Best of luck!
    Cindy Larsen Rental Property Investor from Lakewood, WA
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Gus, In My Humble Opinion, the amount of rennovation and quality of materials used to make cost effective decision depends on your investment strategy. If you are a long term buy and hold investor, then using high quality materials will pay off over time in increased rents, decreased wear and tear (good tile vs good carpet for example), decreased labor costs (it costs the same to install cheap materials as to install quality materials, and, if chosen carefully, they will last longer, and not have to be replaced as often). If you are flipping a property, it makes more sense to use materials that look nice, have a medium price range, and are not necessarily durable: as long as it looks good enough to make a nice profit, it is good enough. This is why I prefer to buy properties that need renovation vs already renovated properties where I will receive the results of someone else’s renovating decisions, and pay more for those renovations than if I did them. For me, the key points in your article are that you made decisions based on emotion, without thinking through each decision and doing good due dilligence. I have done that too, and have found it to result in costly mistakes. I try to take the time to sanity check my decisions: why do I want or need a particular rennovation? What is the cost/benefit? How long will it take to pay for it out of my capex budget? Will it increase rents? Why do I think so? Will it decrease maintenance expenses or decrease future capex expenses? Why? I try to qualtify everything I can in order to see if what I want to do makes sense. One thing that makes sense to me is to compare the cost of each item with the number of months of current cash flow it represents, and also with the increase in cash flow it will result in times the number of months you intend to hold the property. For example if it costs 6 months worth of cash flow, and will result a in 2% rent increase (which could be a 10% cash flow increase), and you plan to hold the property for 5 to 10 more years, then it is obviously a good thing to do. That rent increase, of course, also increases your cap rate, which increases the value of your property when you eventually sell it. The capex expense is a one time hit that will not appear on future income/expense statements. I also like to take advantage of accelerated depreciation to help offset the capex expense. If you can get your contractors to break up the work into seperate work orders of labor/materials that are less than $2,500 each you can depreciate all of them in full in the year they are purchased. in addition to that, I like to pay with a 2% cashback credit card (and the pay it off immediately, of course). That cashback is not regaurded as income by the IRS: it is a discount. Disclaimer: I am not a financial advisor nor a tax professional, so check everything I say, especially with the tax law changes. CJ
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Terrific insights Cindy! Thank you
    Laura Verderber from Fairhope, AL
    Replied 8 months ago
    I do the same thing with my cash back business credit cards too. 🙂 Could you explain in more detail about breaking up renovation costs for depreciation? My tax advisor said I couldn’t because they count as improvements, not repairs.
    Cindy Larsen Rental Property Investor from Lakewood, WA
    Replied 8 months ago
    Laura, I am not a tax accountant, just someone who reads the stuf the irs publishes, because, alhough that is painfully dull, it helps to know the rules. our acountant should know about IRS publication 535. Snce they obviously do not, you might want to consider getting a better accountant. Th keynword to look for is “safe harbor”. Read it and you should understand the rules. Did you know that you can no longer deduct your accountant’s fees? I Read everything on bigger pockets by Amanda Han and Brandon Hall. Thet are real real estate accountnts. Then I read the IRS website looking for the info that Brandon or Amanda were talking about. Good Luck. Cindy
    Karen Rittenhouse Flipper/Rehabber from Greensboro, NC
    Replied over 1 year ago
    It’s a business. Never get emotionally attached.
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Nailed the core of the article. Very hard to detach but generally the best route. Create a plan, and stick to the plan.
    David Boroughes Rental Property Investor from Newport, RI
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Turn it into a flip! 1031 it and buy another rental or two with the profit!!
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    This would be a great strategy.
    Justin R. Developer from San Diego, CA
    Replied over 1 year ago
    The big problem, in my experience is that, “I can’t have an old ugly X with a brand new Y” dilemma. In many ways it’s true – tenants notice the old vanity when the floor is new … and they would have no objection if the entire bathroom was equally dated. At this point, I pretty much always renovate whole rooms for exactly that reason. Median income, but high rent market on the coast.
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    We think similarly Justin. Thanks
    Hunter Fitch from Mesa, Arizona
    Replied over 1 year ago
    I wholeheartedly disagree with this article. I didn’t get into this business to be a slumlord. Go above and beyond expectations with your repairs and you’ll get tenants that go above and beyond to take care of your property while paying the renovation costs via raised rents.
    Mary E Copas
    Replied 8 months ago
    Not in my experience. When you are an out-of-state landlord and renting a property in a depressed area, increasing rents only means vacancy. If you have good tenants, things go smoothly, but eventually people do move on. You would not believe how ridiculous some prospective tenants can be: one guy wanted to swap cement (for a driveway) for rent. Finally, we sold the property after the last tenant was quite irresponsible. We repaired a good deal of weather damage that was preventable — or at least should have been reported. In any case, upgrades to a property need to be put into the perspective of the local market, or you will go broke!
    Mary E Copas
    Replied 8 months ago
    Not in my experience. When you are an out-of-state landlord and renting a property in a depressed area, increasing rents only means vacancy. If you have good tenants, things go smoothly, but eventually people do move on. You would not believe how ridiculous some prospective tenants can be: one guy wanted to swap cement (for a driveway) for rent. Finally, we sold the property after the last tenant was quite irresponsible. We repaired a good deal of weather damage that was preventable — or at least should have been reported. In any case, upgrades to a property need to be put into the perspective of the local market, or you will go broke!
    Karen Rittenhouse Flipper/Rehabber from Greensboro, NC
    Replied over 1 year ago
    I must say, Hunter, this comment could only come from someone with very little landlording experience. Nice sentiment, however.
    TIM
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Karen I think it might be possible that you work in a different segment of the rental industry than Hunter (or myself) and have a different business model and experiences. Things can vary drastically with different community characteristics and business models. ie: California vs midwest vs New York; rural vs suburbia vs satellite small towns vs downtown areas; laws, ethnicity, ideology, age of population, general family size and structure, community values, employment, income, education, etc, etc, etc . . . Per my experience I have to agree with Hunter 100% Perhaps Hunter has found, as I have over my 15 years of landlording, that in his area if you provide nice homes (not necessarily the latest or greatest, but truly nice), screen thoroughly and select high quality tenants from a highly filtered pool of applicants you really CAN end up with rents paid a week early every month, tenants that take care of your property like it was their own and very few calls for problems. In my world, good tenants are hard-working, usually very particular people and want nice places in nice neighborhoods with good schools and other things that interest them nearby. There are also some who want NOTHING and NOBODY nearby. They’re all different individually but also seem to have a common theme. They have usually worked hard to get where they are in life and realize others are trying to do the same so they are far less prone to neglect or destroy other people’s property. They don’t have the ‘entitlement’ mentality. Better than 90% of my tenants in my particular case (rural small town properties) since I switched from renting minimally rehabbed, dated or generic, junky properties to nicely rehabbed homes have actually left my homes in – at the very least – the same condition in which they moved in. Carpets clean, windows washed, stoves/fridges/sinks and cabinets clean, bathrooms sparkling, minimal nail holes in walls, toilet paper on the roller and bulbs in the sockets, yards taken care of, etc…. Late and unpaid rent are long-ago memories and the police don’t have any idea where my properties are anymore because they never have to go to one. I’m not a big player by any stretch of the imagination. 10 properties, all SFH. My homes do NOT have all new cabinets, granite, plumbing fixtures, appliances or other stuff. They’re just VERY NICELY fixed up – usually keep most of whatever was there already with high attention to every detail when prepped to rent. I do almost everything by myself or an occasional assist from a handyman friend. ALWAYS fresh paint (some have wallpaper here and there because it fits their period theme), electrical up-to-date and lots of circuits/outlets, plumbing as perfect as I can make it, EVERYTHING CLEAN and ALL broken or questionable things repaired or replaced – 100% – EVERY time. I rehab with a ‘theme’ (like you might find in houses featured in magazines like BH&G, Cottage Living or Old House, etc.) – usually pick the most prominent and expensive thing I’d have to redo if I tore it out, see if I can upgrade it to meet today’s standards and expectations for that style of ‘whatever-it-is’ (usually a kitchen or bath but not always) and then work from there to make the rest of the house all ‘fit’ together period-wise/style-wise/etc. Make it nice as I can but watch the $$$, usually would do my own home with higher quality stuff, but NEVER use cheapo crap. You have to remember, some folks like the very latest things out there, some like ’50’s-60’s style, others like Victorian, etc. but ALL like clean and sparkly! And if they find they can rent a home whose style fits their tastes and fulfills a dream today instead of having to wait until they can buy instead of renting another generic white walled, tile, laminate, OSB and granite box that looks just like the one next to it while they wait these folks go wild! That’s who I rehab my rentals for and who I market to. I don’t like everything I do. I don’t like everything I see in those magazines neither! I don’t have to as long as somebody does. In a Nut: Be particular when I acquire. Evaluate what’s there and what I could do with it. Target rehab to a theme and evaluate costs and market for that type property. Run the cashflow numbers to make sure it makes sense. Get it Ready as best I can with the $ that make sense for that property. Then Aim & FIRE! Learn to AIM your ADVERTISING for each particular home to people interested in that THEME STYLE, learn to SCREEN and BE SELECTIVE, PROVIDE the BEST you can reasonably do with the cashflow you’ll have to work with on that property, Learn to SCREEN and BE SELECTIVE, have a clear strong LEASE AGREEMENT and SYSTEM to manage, learn to SCREEN and BE SELECTIVE! Did I mention you need to learn to SCREEN and BE SELECTIVE? Don’t be afraid to leave a property sit empty for a month or two or even more while you screen. If you choose the right Tenant they’ll be there for several years or more so you end up with less actual vacancy time overall, less time lost in tenant screenings, your property will be better cared for so fewer repairs over the long-term, and best of all, less drama in your life! In my world, I think being particular has usually more than made up for any lost rent while finding my best tenant. I will sell a property instead of rent it if the right person comes along, either outright or with a Lease/Option (might be something to consider here Gus). So far only a very rare event but always a consideration. You never know until you actually get there what can happen so you just have to be ready and do whatever seems best at the time. There were some things I gave up when I switched from minimally maintained and cheaply decorated ‘generic’ rentals filled with irresponsible, judgement-proof, entitlement-minded tenants who often were one flat tire or ticket away from not being able to pay the rent with their accompanying drama that sucked every minute and drop of energy out of my life. You too might miss having turn overs and vacant units every year (or less), always with repairs required and the stench from the trash left behind or the rotting food in the freezer that thawed when the power was shut off a month before you got possession making you gag as you drag it out to the dumpster you had to rent. You might miss scraping the maggots out from under the fridge or sink. Then there’s the bathroom stuff. I worry sometimes that my skills at quickly repairing holes the size of adult human silhouettes in walls are fading. You might also miss being on a first-name basis with the local police and child protection agency caseworkers, the thrill of hearing the latest excuse for not paying rent when due, late notices, evictions, lawyers and their fees – and court dates. I was afraid I’d miss all that too, but relax, eventually the memories will fade and you’ll get over it and find other things to do with the time. Best part is you’ll suddenly seem to have extra cash to do those things with! Did I mention you need to learn to SCREEN and BE SELECTIVE? I learned – but it was painful and expensive!!!! : 0 : ) Just some reflections on my experiences in rural mid-America. Yours will be unique to you and will probably be different, perhaps far different, depending on your setting, experience, education, financial situation and lots of other things. Hope someone out there at least gets a little something to reflect on from my experiences and maybe even to improve their business model with. HAPPY & SUCCESSFUL 2018 EVERYONE!
    Cindy Larsen Rental Property Investor from Lakewood, WA
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Tim, I love your well thought out approach. And I agree about being very selective with you tenants. I have inherited the kind of bad tenants you describe later in your post, and rennovated to gain better tenants and better rents. Remodel8ng with nice durable materials is worth it, if your market will support the increased rents, which is always something I determine before I buy. You are also right that different tenants have different tastes. How do you go about marketing your themed properties to the tenants who will be charmed by them?
    Account Closed Investor from Seattle, Washington
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Not necessarily Karen. Hunter may or may not realize this but the most successful multi-genational private enterprises, over the long-term, share Hunter’s idea of shrugging off scoter-term pennies for longterm dollars.
    Account Closed Investor from Seattle, Washington
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Not necessarily Karen. Hunter may or may not realize this but the most successful multi-genational private enterprises, over the long-term, share Hunter’s idea of shrugging off short-term pennies for long-term dollars.
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    The best solutions come from when good minds disagree. I appreciate your thoughts very much.
    Mary E Copas
    Replied 8 months ago
    Not in my experience. When you are an out-of-state landlord and renting a property in a depressed area, increasing rents only means vacancy. If you have good tenants, things go smoothly, but eventually people do move on. You would not believe how ridiculous some prospective tenants can be: one guy wanted to swap cement (for a driveway) for rent. Finally, we sold the property after the last tenant was quite irresponsible. We repaired a good deal of weather damage that was preventable — or at least should have been reported. In any case, upgrades to a property need to be put into the perspective of the local market, or you will go broke!
    Account Closed Investor from Seattle, Washington
    Replied over 1 year ago
    It’s your money. Who am I to comment or judge how you utilize it?
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    I appreciate all insights Kyle so feel free to give me your thoughts anytime. I’m a firm believer in listening to people with differing perspectives. Thanks for posting!
    Al Ball from Madison, WI
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Two toilets, two vanities, and a bit of baseboard…what’s that, like $900? Boring.
    Gus Ross Investor from Delray Beach, FL
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Next time I’ll put more meat on the bone Al. Thanks for posting
    John Murray from Portland, Oregon
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Newbie renovators will make mistakes. I’m a journey level trades guy and have skills beyond most flippers and BRRRR people. If you want to make maximum money use vinyl plank flooring, rough sand hardwoods and re-coat with oil base polyurethane. Replace toilets, faucets fixtures, P-Traps, lighting fixtures and re-coat laminate counter tops. make sure there are GFIC receptacles and understand how they work, if you cant fit all the conductors in a single gang box replace with a 2 gang. Install CO and smoke alarms were required and make money. If you do this you and complete all the work yourself you will become a multimillionaire.
    Luis N. Professional from Los Angeles, California
    Replied 12 months ago
    What about harvesting receipts? I usually set a back time time frame of 4-12 months. My biggest take away is everything is replaceable. Do it once do it right.
    John Barnette Investor from San Francisco, California
    Replied over 1 year ago
    Surprised nobody has discussed what really matters a lot IMHO. How does the competition stack up? Potential renters are likely shopping online as much as possible and are comparing available alternatives that match key needs. Namely location, bedroom count, price. Then the “other stuff” comes into place for attracting the tenant you want. I always shop like a perspective tenant and view other similar type listings for lease. Online and in person. Always prior to an actual vacant unit but also to stay on top of the market and rental rates. I am a Realtor by day job..so likely a function of that “hat I wear”. You want to offer a place “appropriate” to the location, price range, and the competition. Overly fixed up and remodeled may not maximize cashflow in the current market if the big three criteria don’t support a higher price. But also don’t want to be the laggard as you will be stuck with the laggard tenants. There is always that balance of material quality. You get what you pay for. But maybe not cash flow what you pay for. Durability and longevity though. I tend to use high quality paint for even budget starter type places. Why? Better quality paint needs fewer coats, less labor, and holds up better. Satin finish or higher luster too. Over time it ends up being cost saving. Does a place rent for more with better quality paint. No. But watching the expense side over time. I have also found a difference in my mixed portfolio of SFR and apartments. Sfr tenants tend to stay much longer and be higher caliber tenant. Even in less fancy zip codes. So can budget accordingly for upgrades and rent ready maintenance. My apartments turn much more and seems like tenants are most drawn to price and clean. Does not need to be fancy. So I guess you can say I budget more for style and amenities for sfr and durability and cost minimization of known turnover for apartments.
    Irwan Japardi
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Great article. We must treat the investment as if investment not like our home. So let it be, just fix whatever needed. Thanks for the reminder.
    Jason Barnett Flipper/Rehabber from Memphis TN
    Replied 12 months ago
    This is incredibly timely advice considering the fact that I’m about to renovate my first rental. 🙂 Thanks for the education, Jason
    Maria Teo
    Replied 8 months ago
    Just completed a unit renovation and in the process of a second. In both cases more work was discovered once work started – not a surprise given both building’s age (100+ yrs). In the second project, plumber discovered not to code pipes and rusty galvanized pipes throughout unit and linking to other units. Plumber advises that timing wise the walls are open and now is the easiest time to make the change, plus out of date plumbing won’t damage newly renovated unit. But the cost of plumbing is now doubled! I think this is a bite the bullet situation and do it now. Does anyone have other suggestions? Am I rationalizing that the all copper plumbing upgrade will be more cost effective in the future and a possible bonus to a future buyer 5-10 yrs from now?
    Joanna Dennis from Louisville, Kentucky
    Replied 8 months ago
    I hate plumbing. If the walls are open, the plumbing is questionable and the house is 100 years old, your plumber is right. Close up the walls without doing the work and you’ll be back with a bigger, although delayed, plumbing bill. Run PEX not copper. It’s less expensive and more resistant to freezing/cracking.
    Jake Casper Real Estate Broker from Mount Prospect, IL
    Replied 8 months ago
    Update the plumbing to PEX or copper w/ propress fittings. If your plumber only does traditional copper soldering, I suggest you find one who is experienced with PEX or propress copper as you will save a LOT of money on labor while enjoying the same long life copper durability. I had to make this same decision on a vacant, 50yr old 3 flat I am currently rehabbing (kitchens & baths) to owner occupy and hold long term. The galvanized plumbing wasn’t in terrible shape and the pressure/flow was actually good, but there was a consistent rusty discharge when turning on fixtures. Had 6 plumbers come thru to bid, many suggested to simply swap fixtures & (shared) water heater to save money. It was tempting to “cut that corner”…but I was sure to budget for this just in case. However, the plumbers who stick to old school soldering were MUCH more expensive due to the amount of extra time/labor required. Since the building is vacant and walls are open, I decided NOW is the time to make the switch and be (fingers crossed) worry free in that department for life with copper. I’m very glad I did once I saw the level of corrosion throughout the old galvanized pipes when they took them out. I definitely would have had issues in the next 5-10 years if I simply swapped fixtures. Tenants will notice and appreciate the upgrade vs others in my area who are keeping their old corroding pipes until they break. Long story short, with due diligence I found a licensed plumber who is experienced in the trade with some good reviews, but just starting his business and quoted me far less than others for propress copper. The fittings are a little more expensive, but it is more than offset by the fact that he was able to repipe the entire 3 flat in just a few full days by HIMSELF, saving so much $ in labor. 3 kitchens, 5 baths & laundry room. All to code since I had to pull permits where I’m at. The other factors that made the decision easier is that I am targeting middle class/millennial/commuter market in a major metro area near a train station. The investment will pay for itself with better tenants, less repairs, and will even help increase the ARV whenever it’s time to sell.
    Maria Teo
    Replied 8 months ago
    Thanks to you both. I haven’t heard of PEX and need to see if that is applicable in California. Same with the ProPress fittings – I hadn’t thought to ask what approach he plans to use. Very helpful.
    Justin R. Developer from San Diego, CA
    Replied 8 months ago
    I don’t think I’ve ever said: “Man, I wish I hadn’t put in that new tub.” I have, however – multiple times – said, “Stupid me. Why didn’t I just do that when I was doing everything else?” I don’t try to save vanities or toilets or mirrors or light fixtures or cabinets any more. If it’s getting a new bath or new kitchen or new plumbing, it gets ALL new. Labor is too expensive and future headaches take too much of a toll. In my high-priced market, at least, I’m convinced that’s the way to go.