Getting into out of state investing

Getting into out of state investing

Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 17 posts · 4 votes

Hello BP community !

This is my first post so apologies if I am asking questions that have been asked or posting in the wrong spot :/

I am 31 years old and looking to get in the market. I have some money saved up and work a full time job. I live in LA and the market is just too hard to enter here with the high prices and the insane amount of competition. All roads seem to lead me to out of state (Turnkey) investments. The whole idea of this makes me very nervous. You have to put a lot of faith in a company to buy a house unseen and then trust that it will be managed correctly. 

I understand that doing this will cut my profit margins significantly but it will also allow me the freedom to keep working and enter a market that would otherwise be very challenging. Any thoughts ? 

Does anyone have any Turnkey companies that they trust and recommend ? Any specific reading or resources I should be looking at before jumping in ?

I did notice a lot of posts from Ali Boone - http://www.biggerpockets.com/users/hipsterali & Chris Clothier http://www.biggerpockets.com/users/memphisinvest . Has anyone had experience working with them ? 

Thanks !

David 

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Eric FernwoodBusiness Member
Realtor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 999 posts · 1k+ votes
12y

Hello @David B. ,

Buying turnkey is only a purchase method, it does not assure you that you are getting a good property or that you are going to get good tenants. Also, a property is no better than the jobs around it so if the economy is going down in the location in which you buy, what is a good investment today could be a disaster in 6 months. I believe that the process should be:

1. Determine where and what kind of property will generate a sustained positive cash flow and is located in an area likely to appreciate over time. I call this a property profile. (I will elaborate on this later.)

2. Once you have determined the best property profile for you, then you need to consider all your purchase options in that specific location. Whether or not you buy a property turnkey or some other approach is a trade-off you can evaluate based on differences in money, time and risk.

Below is a diagram illustrating the process.

Below I will explain about each block in the illustration.

Property Profile

There are two parts to a property profile: where and what.

Where

• Choose a city which is experiencing sustained growth and is likely to have continued growth. See population changes by state here.

• A rental property is no more valuable than the jobs around it. The local chamber of commerce or university will likely have the information you need. Avoid boom towns where the jobs are here today and gone in 5 years. An example would be a town fueled by a major construction project (a dam, pipeline, high speed train, etc.). Once the project is complete all the construction jobs will vanish as will your renters and you will likely have a disaster on your hands. Job growth and population increase are the basis of long term appreciation.

• Check the landlord/evictions laws. For example, in Las Vegas the typical eviction takes less than 30 days and costs less than $500. I have heard from clients that evictions in California (and some other states) can take up to a year if the tenant actively resists and costs thousands of dollars in legal and other fees (not to mention the accumulated damage over the extended eviction period). No investor initially worries about evictions, until one happens to you. So, check the appropriate laws and regulations before you buy. Your simplest option would be to talk to local property managers. They deal with such issues every day.

• Remember that you need to have sufficient cash reserves so you can carry the property for several months if necessary. This dictates the price range of properties that you can afford. I would start by looking for rental properties in the cities you are considering and then looking for sales comps of similar properties.

• State/city/county income taxes. Most states have a personal income tax. This can significantly impact your return. For example, a property with a 5% return in Nevada, Texas, Washington or Wyoming will actually earn you 5% (subject to your own state income tax and the ability to deduct from your state/federal taxes paid in other states). If the same property was located in areas with taxes you would also have to adjust down the return based on these taxes.

• A city where climate is not a major factor. For example, people rarely move during heavy snowfall seasons in the North East. Or, if the population swells and contracts rapidly with the season as in south Florida where rentals tend to be seasonal.

• A location where annual maintenance costs are reasonable. Higher costs are sometimes due to climate or how the homes were constructed. For example, in heavy snow country you will have to include snow removal costs and more physical damage to driveways and the structure in your annual maintenance cost provision.

What

Now that you have a location that may be profitable, you need to know what to buy. And, what is a good type of property in Cleveland will not necessarily be a good type of property in Phoenix. So, you need to determine four criteria for each specific local, which are listed below. Your best source will be interviewing three or four local property managers. Tell them you are staring out and that you are looking for a property manager to work with.

• Type: Condo, high rise, single family, duplex, single story, two story, etc.

• Configuration: Two bedroom, three car garage, mud room, etc.

• Location: Usually a very specific area. For example, west of 23rd St and south of the river, etc.

• Rent Range: If the majority of the population to which you want to rent are willing and able to pay $1,000/Mo to $1,300/Mo. you should only be looking at properties that you can purchase, rehab and profitably rent in the same rent range.

I have a set of property manager interview questions which I use (I am a Realtor in Las Vegas and my practice is almost exclusively remote investors and I occasionally have to move my clients to a different property manager when the current one starts to go bad.), and I will be happy to send to you (or anyone else who want it). Just drop me an email.

Profitability

After talking to a few property managers you will have a very good idea of what properties rent best. The next step is to determine whether you can make money with these properties. Look on Zillow (or similar sites) for recent sales of such properties. Once you know the sale price of such properties and know what they will rent for (from talking to the property managers) you can use a tool I created to determine if you can make money. (Break-Even Calculator - see here for more information.)

Using this tool and data from Zillow, I looked at properties in three cities: Austin, TX; Cupertino, CA and Las Vegas, NV.

If the Break-Even Price is lower than the Actual Sold Price it is unlikely that properties in that city will generate a positive cash flow. As you can see in the table above the prices of properties in Cupertino (and possibly Austin) are too high relative to the rent to generate a positive cash flow. 

If you cannot make an acceptable level of profit, look somewhere else. 

Acquisition Method

At this point you are ready to consider your acquisition options. I believe this decision can be made through a spread sheet and a thorough evaluation of the property manager involved if you are considering turnkey. Even though you buy a property that has the potential to be profitable, only a good property manager can make it happen. Be very careful on choosing the right property manager. Once you evaluate this and you are satisfied, it is time to buy.

Remote Investing Considerations

• Choose a location where you would like to spend some time. When I was setting up manufacturing for a certain item (past life) I chose India as opposed to Vietnam or China. I like spending time in India. I find the other two places more challenging. Almost all of my clients are remote investors and they like to come to Las Vegas to "inspect" their properties once or twice a year. It is actually a vacation for them but they can deduct a portion of the trip cost from their taxes (in most countries). During winter, I find that Canadians are especially interested in "inspecting" their properties!

• As I mentioned before, be VERY aware of issues like: landlord laws (eviction process and costs), climate factors, population trends, job stability and rent stability.

David, I hope the above helps.

Eric Fernwood

FERNWOOD Team, KW VIP Realty520 Reviews
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  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 31k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    12y

    @David B. 

    welcome to the site.

  • Investor · Somerville, MA · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    Welcome,

    I close on my first property with MemphisInvest sometime this upcoming week.  I can only review them up to this point - from the perspective of a prospective buyer who has decided on a property, has financing all set, and is ready to sign the paperwork.  

    They returned my initial call nearly instantly, asked me what I was looking for, and tailored suggestions to my requests.  I received at least three properties to review per day, and a weekly check-in to see what I thought.  Once I decided on a property, I was advised that MemphisInvest only accepts financing from a short list of mortgage brokers.  I am not thrilled with this, but the rates I was quoted from their short-list were on par with what I could have done elsewhere, so it wasn't a deal breaker.  Once I got financing squared away, I started receiving a weekly call from a new person at MemphisInvest who updated me on the status of the rehab and any details regarding what was needed to complete the deal - I believe this person will be my personal account manager.

    I can update after I close re: whether rents turn out to be as advertised, and if expenses turn out to be as advertised.  I can also update about communication.  Part of their sales pitch was that I'd get a monthly check-in and online access to all documentation regarding management of the property.  So, consider this a review in progress.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 17 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    Thanks for the reply Ben. I look forward to seeing how everything progresses and hope it turns out to be a lucrative deal for you. 

    A few questions ;

    Do you feel the price paid for the property was fair or a little bit above market ? Did you have to pay the rehab costs or was the property ready to go for you ? If this goes well do you plan to get a handful of "Turnkey" properties ? That is my idea, if everything runs as smooth as I'd hope, getting 10-20 of these over the next few years would be awesome. 

    I'll definitely touch base with you down the line. 

  • Investor · Somerville, MA · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    Based on Trulia.com and Zillow.com (i.e., speculation), the purchase price of this house ($129k) was approx. $4k above the market rate in the immediate area.  I found this to be acceptable given that the comparable properties in the immediate area do not come fully rehabbed.  I possibly could have done more negotiating, but am satisfied with the outcome of the final price.  

    I'm buying the property ready to go, rehab is already completed.

    Assuming this goes well, then yeah, my plan long term is to get a handful of properties in a few markets.  I'm planning on getting #2 by the end of the year, so if this one goes well, I'll probably be right back with MemphisInvest in a few months.  If not, I'll revisit some of the other folks on BP who deal with turnkey properties.

  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    12y

    @David B. - Welcome to BP.  I always suggest someone buying out of state to hire a person from the local market you are investing in to be present during the inspection.  It can be a real estate agent or investor but someone who has no ties to the deal.  

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 17 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    Hi Brie, 


    Great advice. I think I will definitely look into getting my own inspection done by a 3rd party. Hopefully someone savvy that will be able to give me a solid interpretation of what I am getting myself into. 

    Thanks, 

    David 

  • Memphis, TN · Member since 2013 · 969 posts · 524 votes
    12y

    @David B. 

    Welcome to BP!! Only advice I have is due your own due diligence on any company or market you invest in.. Good Luck and happy investing.

    Derrick

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    12y

    @David B. @Brie Schmidt 

    good point Brie... Also consult with an independent RE broker or your OWN appraiser. Along with your own home inspection once the property is completed.. make sure they are independent of the seller and are hired by you  ask an receive the scope of work for the rehab.. did they do a fluff and buff or did they actually replace major components like HVAC water heater new pex plumbing New electric mast and junction box.. those will be your bugaboos moving forward and if you buying a 20 year old home and these are not done your going to end up doing all of this over time.. And be sure to Scope the Sewer line.. Sewer lines in these areas are notorious for backing up.. You want the seller to replace that if they are bad before you close.. Those are the things one can do to make sure your getting what you paid for.. And for turn key at the price Ben is paying I would think all components are new.. don't get fooled by new paint and nice phone follow up.

    Lastly Zillow and Truila are the worse places to go to look at values.. they are all over the map either way to low or way to high. A good RE broker and MLS is were you should be getting your values.

  • Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    I would say both are solid contacts for out of state. Chris is opening up Houston now. There could be some good timing there.

    thanks,

    matt

  • Hingham, MA · Member since 2014 · 73 posts · 29 votes
    12y

    Get local knowledge, call a local full-time appraiser or a veteran broker...pay them for their time, it will save you ten fold in the long run.

    Bill

  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Ben Howard:

    Based on Trulia.com and Zillow.com (i.e., speculation), the purchase price of this house ($129k) was approx. $4k above the market rate in the immediate area.  I found this to be acceptable given that the comparable properties in the immediate area do not come fully rehabbed.  I possibly could have done more negotiating, but am satisfied with the outcome of the final price.  

    I'm buying the property ready to go, rehab is already completed.

    Assuming this goes well, then yeah, my plan long term is to get a handful of properties in a few markets.  I'm planning on getting #2 by the end of the year, so if this one goes well, I'll probably be right back with MemphisInvest in a few months.  If not, I'll revisit some of the other folks on BP who deal with turnkey properties.

     $129,000 for how much in monthly rent?

    What area is the property in -- A, B, C, or D?

    What rehab was done on the property?

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 17 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    Again, thanks you all for the advice and tips here. Can anyone share any recommended reading so I can gather the basics of Turnkey investing and make sure I am avoiding any pitfalls ? 

    I also here it is all about the math and numbers. So I clearly need to do my homework there. Is there a place where I can find all the needed calculations to make sure my investment is sounds ? 

    Thanks, 


    David 

  • Andrew SyriosPro Member
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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    12y

    Be very, very careful investing out-of-state. Do some research on the area before making any decisions and vet the turnkey company and property management company thoroughly. I've seen a number of people taken advantage of, although there are some good companies out there.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 17 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    Thanks Andrew. Are there any common pitfalls I should be avoiding ? Any specifics I should be asking these companies to help determine if they are honest and legit ? 

    Also, any place I can pick up all the necessary information to analyze the deal ? I have heard terms like Caprate, Cash on return, ect..

  • Chris ClothierBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    @David B. 

    I'll list some very specific questions to ask TK providers before you buy.  A lot of the advice on here is very critical because the company may be the most important factor of all.  Do they know how to make money?  Are they going o be in business 5 years form now?  Do they value the customer relationship and do they know how to communicate?  Make sure you know who you are dealing with and don't be in a hurry.  Take your time and take nothing on faith.  Not even with my company.  Make companies earn the right to do business with you by earning your respect and doing what they say they do.

    "A good management company can make a mediocre investment perform great.  A bad investment company can make a great investment perform very poorly".  That saying applies so much to passive investments.  The property management piece and their ability and willingness to communicate with you are very, very important.  

    I am attaching a link to a slideshare presentation.  Pay attention to slides 24-28 for a list of more great questions to ask a turnkey provider as well as what to look for in a company.

    Due Diligence for 2014

    - How long have they been in business?
    - Are you an investor?  Do you invest in the same neighborhoods as you sell?
    - Do you own all facets of the company? (purchasing, renovation, management, etc..)
    - How long have you been in business?
    - Do you offer guarantees ? (this CAN be a major red flag - not always though)
    - What has been your biggest mistake as an investor? 
    - What are your management fees?
    - What are the average # of months of occupancy?

    There are about 15 more along with some specific things to look for in a good company.  

    If you have any questions on the slide share be sure and ask.  Hopefully it helps you to start narrowing your focus on what you need to be looking for right now before starting down the path of investing out of area.

  • Lender · Nat'l Commercial Mtg Lender - Round Rock, TX · Member since 2014 · 916 posts · 235 votes
    12y

    @David B.

    It is easier to manage a property in the same area but it's not impossible.  Just make sure that the property cash flows with the cost of a property manager.  And also understand that you will be managing the property manager to evict tenants in a timely manner...5 days from the due date of rent.

    Good Luck,

  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    The reality is, there is nothing about a turnkey property that you can't verify ahead of time. A turnkey provider can tell you whatever they want all day long, but at the end of the day you can truly check up on everything they say yourself. It is of course helpful to work with a really good turnkey provider who saves you a lot of headache about having to double-check everything they say, but regardless of who sells you the property, you can check up on everything. 

    The difference between a good turnkey provider and a bad one is that the good one will provide you with a property that lives up to the returns and little-hassle that it is advertised to give you. A bad turnkey provider may try to sell you something that has a lot of quirks and/or reasons that it may not live up to what is advertised.

    I've always bought out-of-state turnkeys myself, and especially the first one will be nerve-wracking but once you get a feel for the process and what you need to check up on and verify about a property, and you get referrals for the good turnkey providers, things get a lot easier then (and less nerve-wracking).

  • Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 29 votes
    12y

    @David B. 

    Welcome!!!  The property management is KEY to out of state investing.  You want a company that is great at communication and has good software in place that keeps track of your investment.  I would also resource craigslist to make sure the rental rates are correct for the areas.  If you are looking at the Indianapolis market be careful to not just look at zip codes.  There are good and bad pockets in every zip code here.

    Good Luck!

  • Engelo RumoraBusiness Member
    Investor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @David B.:

    Hello BP community !

    This is my first post so apologies if I am asking questions that have been asked or posting in the wrong spot :/

    I am 31 years old and looking to get in the market. I have some money saved up and work a full time job. I live in LA and the market is just too hard to enter here with the high prices and the insane amount of competition. All roads seem to lead me to out of state (Turnkey) investments. The whole idea of this makes me very nervous. You have to put a lot of faith in a company to buy a house unseen and then trust that it will be managed correctly. 

    I understand that doing this will cut my profit margins significantly but it will also allow me the freedom to keep working and enter a market that would otherwise be very challenging. Any thoughts ? 

    Does anyone have any Turnkey companies that they trust and recommend ? Any specific reading or resources I should be looking at before jumping in ?

    I did notice a lot of posts from Ali Boone - http://www.biggerpockets.com/users/hipsterali & Chris Clothier http://www.biggerpockets.com/users/memphisinvest . Has anyone had experience working with them ? 

    Thanks !

    David 

    Hi David,

    Thanks for your post.

    Please see a link that I wrote for Bigger Pockets about out of state investing.

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2014/07/26/sight-mind-real-estate-investing-afar/

    I hope you find it useful. 

    Thanks and have a great day.

  • Andrew SyriosPro Member
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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @David B.:

    Thanks Andrew. Are there any common pitfalls I should be avoiding ? Any specifics I should be asking these companies to help determine if they are honest and legit ? 

    Also, any place I can pick up all the necessary information to analyze the deal ? I have heard terms like Caprate, Cash on return, ect..

     Hi David, I wrote a blog post about it here: http://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/4837/blog_posts/35033-the-dangers-of-investing-out-of-state. I hope that helps.

  • montgomery, AL · Member since 2014 · 99 posts · 18 votes
    12y

    You have to be smart with out of state  investing. If you don't have the time to go and check out the deal yourself I wouldn't do it. That's with 20 plus years in the business. No one is going to watch your money like you will watch your money. People will tell you anything to sell you a property. You should find a city and focus on that city, go visit the area your interested in. 

    Jay

  • Eric FernwoodBusiness Member
    Realtor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 999 posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Hello @David B. ,

    Buying turnkey is only a purchase method, it does not assure you that you are getting a good property or that you are going to get good tenants. Also, a property is no better than the jobs around it so if the economy is going down in the location in which you buy, what is a good investment today could be a disaster in 6 months. I believe that the process should be:

    1. Determine where and what kind of property will generate a sustained positive cash flow and is located in an area likely to appreciate over time. I call this a property profile. (I will elaborate on this later.)

    2. Once you have determined the best property profile for you, then you need to consider all your purchase options in that specific location. Whether or not you buy a property turnkey or some other approach is a trade-off you can evaluate based on differences in money, time and risk.

    Below is a diagram illustrating the process.

    Below I will explain about each block in the illustration.

    Property Profile

    There are two parts to a property profile: where and what.

    Where

    • Choose a city which is experiencing sustained growth and is likely to have continued growth. See population changes by state here.

    • A rental property is no more valuable than the jobs around it. The local chamber of commerce or university will likely have the information you need. Avoid boom towns where the jobs are here today and gone in 5 years. An example would be a town fueled by a major construction project (a dam, pipeline, high speed train, etc.). Once the project is complete all the construction jobs will vanish as will your renters and you will likely have a disaster on your hands. Job growth and population increase are the basis of long term appreciation.

    • Check the landlord/evictions laws. For example, in Las Vegas the typical eviction takes less than 30 days and costs less than $500. I have heard from clients that evictions in California (and some other states) can take up to a year if the tenant actively resists and costs thousands of dollars in legal and other fees (not to mention the accumulated damage over the extended eviction period). No investor initially worries about evictions, until one happens to you. So, check the appropriate laws and regulations before you buy. Your simplest option would be to talk to local property managers. They deal with such issues every day.

    • Remember that you need to have sufficient cash reserves so you can carry the property for several months if necessary. This dictates the price range of properties that you can afford. I would start by looking for rental properties in the cities you are considering and then looking for sales comps of similar properties.

    • State/city/county income taxes. Most states have a personal income tax. This can significantly impact your return. For example, a property with a 5% return in Nevada, Texas, Washington or Wyoming will actually earn you 5% (subject to your own state income tax and the ability to deduct from your state/federal taxes paid in other states). If the same property was located in areas with taxes you would also have to adjust down the return based on these taxes.

    • A city where climate is not a major factor. For example, people rarely move during heavy snowfall seasons in the North East. Or, if the population swells and contracts rapidly with the season as in south Florida where rentals tend to be seasonal.

    • A location where annual maintenance costs are reasonable. Higher costs are sometimes due to climate or how the homes were constructed. For example, in heavy snow country you will have to include snow removal costs and more physical damage to driveways and the structure in your annual maintenance cost provision.

    What

    Now that you have a location that may be profitable, you need to know what to buy. And, what is a good type of property in Cleveland will not necessarily be a good type of property in Phoenix. So, you need to determine four criteria for each specific local, which are listed below. Your best source will be interviewing three or four local property managers. Tell them you are staring out and that you are looking for a property manager to work with.

    • Type: Condo, high rise, single family, duplex, single story, two story, etc.

    • Configuration: Two bedroom, three car garage, mud room, etc.

    • Location: Usually a very specific area. For example, west of 23rd St and south of the river, etc.

    • Rent Range: If the majority of the population to which you want to rent are willing and able to pay $1,000/Mo to $1,300/Mo. you should only be looking at properties that you can purchase, rehab and profitably rent in the same rent range.

    I have a set of property manager interview questions which I use (I am a Realtor in Las Vegas and my practice is almost exclusively remote investors and I occasionally have to move my clients to a different property manager when the current one starts to go bad.), and I will be happy to send to you (or anyone else who want it). Just drop me an email.

    Profitability

    After talking to a few property managers you will have a very good idea of what properties rent best. The next step is to determine whether you can make money with these properties. Look on Zillow (or similar sites) for recent sales of such properties. Once you know the sale price of such properties and know what they will rent for (from talking to the property managers) you can use a tool I created to determine if you can make money. (Break-Even Calculator - see here for more information.)

    Using this tool and data from Zillow, I looked at properties in three cities: Austin, TX; Cupertino, CA and Las Vegas, NV.

    If the Break-Even Price is lower than the Actual Sold Price it is unlikely that properties in that city will generate a positive cash flow. As you can see in the table above the prices of properties in Cupertino (and possibly Austin) are too high relative to the rent to generate a positive cash flow. 

    If you cannot make an acceptable level of profit, look somewhere else. 

    Acquisition Method

    At this point you are ready to consider your acquisition options. I believe this decision can be made through a spread sheet and a thorough evaluation of the property manager involved if you are considering turnkey. Even though you buy a property that has the potential to be profitable, only a good property manager can make it happen. Be very careful on choosing the right property manager. Once you evaluate this and you are satisfied, it is time to buy.

    Remote Investing Considerations

    • Choose a location where you would like to spend some time. When I was setting up manufacturing for a certain item (past life) I chose India as opposed to Vietnam or China. I like spending time in India. I find the other two places more challenging. Almost all of my clients are remote investors and they like to come to Las Vegas to "inspect" their properties once or twice a year. It is actually a vacation for them but they can deduct a portion of the trip cost from their taxes (in most countries). During winter, I find that Canadians are especially interested in "inspecting" their properties!

    • As I mentioned before, be VERY aware of issues like: landlord laws (eviction process and costs), climate factors, population trends, job stability and rent stability.

    David, I hope the above helps.

    Eric Fernwood

    FERNWOOD Team, KW VIP Realty520 Reviews
  • Real Estate Investor · Bethlehem, PA · Member since 2013 · 14 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    Hi David,

    I'd like to answer your initial question with my personal experience, despite my age.

    I am a wholesaler in Bethlehem, PA, and came across a great short sale property that I had exclusive access to as a wholesaler. I had an interested party with the cash, but he was in Colorado. 

    He trusted my partner and I to make sure closing goes well, and also project management for his flip deal. At this moment we are getting everything cleaned out, as wholesalers mind you, to earn a little more than the wholesale fee.

    My suggestion is to find that Motivated person who will work for you for a piece of the profit and nothing up front, because I'm not bothered by it. More money is more money.

    Hope that helps.

    -Bijanh 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    12y

    @Eric Fernwood 

      very nice reply... I would add that folks should either buy direct from the TK operator and by pass NON licensed agents that are just hawking for the TK guys... Or buy through a licensed agent so you have the protection of E and O... buying through the non licensed hawkers there is absolutely no recourse if a deal goes pear shaped. and RE broker has a fiduciary. And if you go direct to the TK company you can potentially save some because they don't have a marketing fee they need to pay.

    Ask for Scope of work one of my clients that I fund acquisitions for takes EACH and every property to the studs.. and his TK product has all new. plumbing , electrical , hvac, windows, Kitchen is torn out and a brand new kitchen is put in with new cabinets and Slab granite with under mount sinks designer tile work... Flooring of course is all new or if its hardwood its completely redone. New insulation and sheet rock along with roof and paint. In my 35 years of funding rehabbers and TK guys these guys do the best I have ever seen... The danger I saw and experienced with TK guys was the fluff and buff not changing out these things and selling 20 to 40 year old homes that will just be maintenance hogs down the line.

  • Chris ClothierBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    @Eric Fernwood - I voted for your reply because of its detail and out of appreciation for people sharing real data and not just opinion or facts....with no real facts shared!  So thank for the post.

    I disagreed with one part of it toward the end talking about cities in general.  When researching markets, I do not take the housing itself into consideration before moving forward and investigating a market.  It generalizes too much.  Markets are very broad and often times smart investing require zip, neighborhood and street data.  That cannot be found by simply visiting a market and does require having a the best team possible partnering with you in that market.

    So I'm not a big fan of "Austin is not a good investment market" or "Dallas IS a good investment market" simply because of housing data.  Austin is a fantastic market for real estate investors that know how to patiently look for the right deals - including passive deals.  But they are not abundant and it takes good partners.  

    I am in total agreement with your economic take on markets and think economic outlook is extremely important.  After that I think the partner(s) you choose to work with becomes the most important factor.  If you communicate well with them and they provide the type of housing opportunity you are looking for, then the properties you want with the returns you want will be there.  If thy can't, you look for a new partner and if the properties you desire are not there, you look for a different market.

    Anyway, I did want to compliment you on your post and say thanks for the detail while also providing a bit of feedback on how I view the same approach.

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