Ok, I've got a tough one...need ideas.
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Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votesOk, I've got a tough one...need ideas.
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
2yQuote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Looking for some 'outside-the-box' ideas from you guys. Story: I was waiting until March to list a house for sale - a previous primary home, rural but really nice custom home, great neighborhood full of nice houses, incredible views, etc...
So a month ago, in moves a new neighbor, right across the street. And then in comes the junk....we're now at 20 cars, a bus, an RV or two, a tow truck, washers/dryers, and even an airplane fuselage...yes you read that right.
A bunch of us neighbors called the County of course and they sent out a Code Enforcement officer. The neighbor has 30 days to do something, and then another 30 days to do something else, and so on....eventually he will get $750 per day fines and a lien, but when? I'm considering seeing my County Supervisor, but will that just get in the way of the Code office?
I'm not even sure I should put the house on the market...a potential buyer will be turned off and either drive away or try to beat me down on price.....
Does anyone have any ideas I may not have thought of?
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- Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
Quote from @Steve K.:
It pains me to say it because I typically avoid HOAs, but what about teaming up with the neighbors and forming an HOA? The CCR's could include exterior aesthetics then go down the road of issuing warnings, fines, eventually lien and foreclosure if you need to (if your state allows that, mine recently limited the ability of HOAs to impose fines and place liens/ foreclose). Perhaps it's a health and safety issue? James had an interesting and savage idea to purchase the debt then start foreclosure action, but that would be a lot more expensive and take a lot longer than forming an HOA. Funny how we all love our property rights and the "free market" until it works against us right?
I get what your saying, and agree for most part, but only correct that we don't have nor have we ever had a "Free Market" in the exact detail of such.
If we are being exact in our language, a "Fee market" is anarchy. It is, that's the only "free" as in clear of any restriction, system there is. And I think we can all agree and see what a nightmare that would be.
This is why the U.S. is a Socialist representative Democracy. We have social constructs to create, protect and defend a system of society.
So I feel no guilt in exercising such when one person is impeding upon, creating harm to, others as in this case.
That is supposed to be the guiding foundation of "MERICA" is it not? To be free&clear to do what you want AS LONG AS your not causing harm to another.
Bacon for breakfast, lunch and dinner, yo go for it Bubba. Let that mullet fly as ride your bike down the interstate, high-5 Joe. But turn your front lawn into a junk-yard dumping toxic waste into soil, impacting entire neighborhood, no not cool.
There is no right to impose one's self choices onto others, and that's what's happening here, there imposing there choices and impacts of those ONTO the neighborhood and the neighbors.
Can there be "Karens" making childish arguments of this because one's lawn is 3" vs 2", sure, I have meet her and had this conversation, lol. I think we can all agree Bruce is dealing with the "real deal" here.
It speaks to why we have zoning and ordnance law's. And there is no freedom to impact others.
Buying mortgage is, in my opinion, most expedient straight line but yeah, $ impact up-front, hence why i said I'd get neighbors together, form LLP, and "we" buy it together and do it together. Fun neighborhood bonding. Neighbors who invest and evict together, grill together, right, lol.
But no, I don't see any way this is doing anything hypocritical. It's not impeding on there rights, because they don't have rights to cause harm to the neighborhood and neighbors. They can do it to selves, just not everyone else.
- Member since 2021 · 88 posts · 80 votes2y
Quote from @Steve K.:
It pains me to say it because I typically avoid HOAs, but what about teaming up with the neighbors and forming an HOA? The CCR's could include exterior aesthetics then go down the road of issuing warnings, fines, eventually lien and foreclosure if you need to (if your state allows that, mine recently limited the ability of HOAs to impose fines and place liens/ foreclose). Perhaps it's a health and safety issue? James had an interesting and savage idea to purchase the debt then start foreclosure action, but that would be a lot more expensive and take a lot longer than forming an HOA. Funny how we all love our property rights and the "free market" until it works against us right?
I've never heard of a situation where you can force an existing property owner to join a voluntary HOA if one was not in place and recorded at the point of sale. Don't see a plus side to that.
it’s hard to see a short term solution, sorry. I would build solidarity and agreement with surrounding property owners of an ongoing action plan that RELENTLESSLY contacts code enforcement. There is no statute of limitations on the amount of times you (and every neighbor) can report violations to the code enforcement officer ad nauseam. It’s legal harassment, no ifs or buts, but it seems an extreme situation every neighbor needs to get on board with.
@Bruce Woodruff You stated they were renters before, so this reads like they were “screw that landlord telling us what we can do, we’ll buy our own house and do what the hell we want”. My read is that they will dig in, likely feeling persecuted by the last living situation, so……uffda. Any chance any neighbor is getting along with them? Reason and diplomacy dead on arrival? Anyone make them understand real estate valuation and the damage they are doing? My reading above says probably not.This will be the long game imho, solidarity for a long haul with the other neighbors for 1-2 sold years of relentless code enforcement harassment. Or roll the dice with listing and see if you can catch a buyer who doesn’t care enough to ding you. You don’t have to accept crap offers, maybe you get out without the headache?
- 2yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Quote from @Steve K.:
It pains me to say it because I typically avoid HOAs, but what about teaming up with the neighbors and forming an HOA? The CCR's could include exterior aesthetics then go down the road of issuing warnings, fines, eventually lien and foreclosure if you need to (if your state allows that, mine recently limited the ability of HOAs to impose fines and place liens/ foreclose). Perhaps it's a health and safety issue? James had an interesting and savage idea to purchase the debt then start foreclosure action, but that would be a lot more expensive and take a lot longer than forming an HOA. Funny how we all love our property rights and the "free market" until it works against us right?
I think you would find it very hard to form an HOA after the plat has been recorded. - Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes2yYep, reason was DOA. This clown is apparently very entitled...I am going up there on Thursday to meet a prospective buyer form Oregon. a) I can possibly 'explain away' this situation by saying '"this just happened a month ago, and we've all complained, and the County is on this, don't worry, blah, blah..."
Quote from @Joel Forsythe:
This will be the long game imho, solidarity for a long haul with the other neighbors for 1-2 sold years of relentless code enforcement harassment. Or roll the dice with listing and see if you can catch a buyer who doesn’t care enough to ding you. You don’t have to accept crap offers, maybe you get out without the headache?
b) if the buyer says " we love the property but we're not going to make an offer (or make a much lower offer) because of that neighbor, then I can document that and use it if/when court comes around.
The timing on this is unbelievable...I'm just starting to get requests for showings the past week.
I really appreciate all of the help my friends..... - Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes2y
PS - I am selling this property myself, so I feel that it is some small advantage that I can meet buyers on site and if they bring it up, then I will have a chance to explain it away...kinda....we'll see.
PSS - There are only 3-4 neighbors that are seriously affected, so chance of getting a bunch of people a block away to get involved is slim. These are all 5 - 10 acre lots too, so if you're 3 houses down the road, you may not even know this is going on....
Ouch...I am sorry that is happening, but isn't that Murphy's law? Murphy will show up when you least expect it. Would you feel comfortable knocking on their door and have a conversation explaining the situation. Maybe thee is a happy medium that can be arranged. The waiting of the 30days for the city doesn't solve the issue as it prolongs the inevitable. If you choose to talk to them check your tone to ensure its set to the friends or family setting.
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Steve K.:
It pains me to say it because I typically avoid HOAs, but what about teaming up with the neighbors and forming an HOA? The CCR's could include exterior aesthetics then go down the road of issuing warnings, fines, eventually lien and foreclosure if you need to (if your state allows that, mine recently limited the ability of HOAs to impose fines and place liens/ foreclose). Perhaps it's a health and safety issue? James had an interesting and savage idea to purchase the debt then start foreclosure action, but that would be a lot more expensive and take a lot longer than forming an HOA. Funny how we all love our property rights and the "free market" until it works against us right?
I think you would find it very hard to form an HOA after the plat has been recorded.That makes sense, otherwise neighbors could just gang up and create an HOA every time they don't like something. Slippery slope. Just brainstorming possibilities!
Quote from @Jack Schwartz:
Forming a Homeowners Association is a good idea, but can a HOA legally enforce rules and regulations on neighbors who do not comply? Are HOAs legally binding entities that can involve building code enforcers or inspectors in issuing summonses to non-compliant neighbors?"
It depends on where you are, HOA laws are local. In Colorado, prior to HB22-1137 in 2022, we had a lot of problems with predatory and corrupt HOAs and their attorneys who actually foreclosed on hundreds of properties over what started as fines of less than $200. One attorney alone filed over 580 foreclosure actions on behalf of HOAs. Some of these homeowners weren't even notified of the original fine until the attorneys had already racked up significant legal fees and added 21% interest. HOAs and their attorneys had all the power and used that power to bully homeowners into compliance while simultaneously gouging them horribly with exorbitant fines and fees, then foreclosed on the property if the owners refused or weren't able to pay up. The law was entirely in favor of the HOAs and these corrupt attorneys.
HB22-1137 created new requirements for notifying homeowners of violations before issuing fines, set a maximum interest rate of 8% on past due fees and fines, limited the ability of HOAs to foreclose, and set the maximum fine amount for non public health and safety violations to $500.
Not sure if other states have similar HOA laws to HB22-1137 yet or not. But yes, in some places you'd probably be surprised how much power HOA's do have.
Quote from @Jack Schwartz:
Forming a Homeowners Association is a good idea, but can a HOA legally enforce rules and regulations on neighbors who do not comply? Are HOAs legally binding entities that can involve building code enforcers or inspectors in issuing summonses to non-compliant neighbors?"
It depends on where you are, HOA laws are local. In Colorado, prior to HB22-1137 in 2022, we had a lot of problems with predatory and corrupt HOAs and their attorneys who actually foreclosed on hundreds of properties over what started as fines of less than $200. One attorney alone filed over 580 foreclosure actions on behalf of HOAs. Some of these homeowners weren't even notified of the original fine until the attorneys had already racked up significant legal fees and added 21% interest. HOAs and their attorneys had all the power and used that power to bully homeowners into compliance while simultaneously gouging them horribly with exorbitant fines and fees, then foreclosed on the property if the owners refused or weren't able to pay up. The law was entirely in favor of the HOAs and these corrupt attorneys.
HB22-1137 created new requirements for notifying homeowners of violations before issuing fines, set a maximum interest rate of 8% on past due fees and fines, limited the ability of HOAs to foreclose, and set the maximum fine amount for non public health and safety violations to $500.
Not sure if other states have similar HOA laws to HB22-1137 yet or not. But yes, in some places you'd probably be surprised how much power HOA's do have.
- Member since 2021 · 88 posts · 80 votes2yNever underestimate the effectiveness of a good 20’ tall wall of Cyprus? I mean, if you wind up holding a while.
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
PS - I am selling this property myself, so I feel that it is some small advantage that I can meet buyers on site and if they bring it up, then I will have a chance to explain it away...kinda....we'll see.
PSS - There are only 3-4 neighbors that are seriously affected, so chance of getting a bunch of people a block away to get involved is slim. These are all 5 - 10 acre lots too, so if you're 3 houses down the road, you may not even know this is going on....
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Steve K.:
It pains me to say it because I typically avoid HOAs, but what about teaming up with the neighbors and forming an HOA? The CCR's could include exterior aesthetics then go down the road of issuing warnings, fines, eventually lien and foreclosure if you need to (if your state allows that, mine recently limited the ability of HOAs to impose fines and place liens/ foreclose). Perhaps it's a health and safety issue? James had an interesting and savage idea to purchase the debt then start foreclosure action, but that would be a lot more expensive and take a lot longer than forming an HOA. Funny how we all love our property rights and the "free market" until it works against us right?
I get what your saying, and agree for most part, but only correct that we don't have nor have we ever had a "Free Market" in the exact detail of such.
If we are being exact in our language, a "Fee market" is anarchy. It is, that's the only "free" as in clear of any restriction, system there is. And I think we can all agree and see what a nightmare that would be.
This is why the U.S. is a Socialist representative Democracy. We have social constructs to create, protect and defend a system of society.
So I feel no guilt in exercising such when one person is impeding upon, creating harm to, others as in this case.
That is supposed to be the guiding foundation of "MERICA" is it not? To be free&clear to do what you want AS LONG AS your not causing harm to another.
Bacon for breakfast, lunch and dinner, yo go for it Bubba. Let that mullet fly as ride your bike down the interstate, high-5 Joe. But turn your front lawn into a junk-yard dumping toxic waste into soil, impacting entire neighborhood, no not cool.
There is no right to impose one's self choices onto others, and that's what's happening here, there imposing there choices and impacts of those ONTO the neighborhood and the neighbors.
Can there be "Karens" making childish arguments of this because one's lawn is 3" vs 2", sure, I have meet her and had this conversation, lol. I think we can all agree Bruce is dealing with the "real deal" here.
It speaks to why we have zoning and ordnance law's. And there is no freedom to impact others.
Buying mortgage is, in my opinion, most expedient straight line but yeah, $ impact up-front, hence why i said I'd get neighbors together, form LLP, and "we" buy it together and do it together. Fun neighborhood bonding. Neighbors who invest and evict together, grill together, right, lol.
But no, I don't see any way this is doing anything hypocritical. It's not impeding on there rights, because they don't have rights to cause harm to the neighborhood and neighbors. They can do it to selves, just not everyone else.
We're in agreement that's why I put "free market" in quotation marks. The closest thing I have seen to that is in Belize where they don't have any zoning laws and wouldn't have much enforcement even if they did because they have very little law enforcement in general. It's great until your neighbor turns their property into a pig farm or a nightclub and you can't do anything about it. These situations get resolved with machetes there and like you said, it's anarchy. I just think it's funny how some people (not the OP or anyone in this thread specifically), like to romanticize the "free market" until it effects them in a negative way personally. Luckily in America we have a nice bundle of rights but only up until those rights begin to infringe upon the rights of others. That makes sense to me. That's why we can't have roosters in densely populated areas, they would infringe upon our neighbors right to quiet enjoyment of their own property. In this case the neighbor is clearly pushing the limits of exercising their personal property rights and how that relates to the rights of their neighbors. Tough one.
Buying the note and foreclosing could take several years and would probably cost hundreds of thousands between buying the note and paying for the foreclosure action. Plus it could also potentially backfire and make the situation worse. Inventive idea though!
Probably diplomacy, getting the neighbors together, trying to get the offending neighbor to see other points of view, and pestering the Powers That Be to enforce their local ordinances is the best approach here. If the initial attempt to reason and create rapport with the neighbor through neighborly conversation is unsuccessful, I'd consider sending a certified letter next so that it's on record, start the clock ticking on that if it does end up being an attorney situation, and make friends with the local code enforcement department officers. Good luck Bruce and keep us posted!
- Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
Quote from @Joel Forsythe:
Quote from @Steve K.:
It pains me to say it because I typically avoid HOAs, but what about teaming up with the neighbors and forming an HOA? The CCR's could include exterior aesthetics then go down the road of issuing warnings, fines, eventually lien and foreclosure if you need to (if your state allows that, mine recently limited the ability of HOAs to impose fines and place liens/ foreclose). Perhaps it's a health and safety issue? James had an interesting and savage idea to purchase the debt then start foreclosure action, but that would be a lot more expensive and take a lot longer than forming an HOA. Funny how we all love our property rights and the "free market" until it works against us right?
I've never heard of a situation where you can force an existing property owner to join a voluntary HOA if one was not in place and recorded at the point of sale. Don't see a plus side to that.
it’s hard to see a short term solution, sorry. I would build solidarity and agreement with surrounding property owners of an ongoing action plan that RELENTLESSLY contacts code enforcement. There is no statute of limitations on the amount of times you (and every neighbor) can report violations to the code enforcement officer ad nauseam. It’s legal harassment, no ifs or buts, but it seems an extreme situation every neighbor needs to get on board with.
@Bruce Woodruff You stated they were renters before, so this reads like they were “screw that landlord telling us what we can do, we’ll buy our own house and do what the hell we want”. My read is that they will dig in, likely feeling persecuted by the last living situation, so……uffda. Any chance any neighbor is getting along with them? Reason and diplomacy dead on arrival? Anyone make them understand real estate valuation and the damage they are doing? My reading above says probably not.This will be the long game imho, solidarity for a long haul with the other neighbors for 1-2 sold years of relentless code enforcement harassment. Or roll the dice with listing and see if you can catch a buyer who doesn’t care enough to ding you. You don’t have to accept crap offers, maybe you get out without the headache?
"...uffda"....
Oh hey der fellow Nord, lol.
Oh-yah funny running into ya here youbetchya.
- Lender · Nationwide · Member since 2018 · 571 posts · 310 votes2y
I have been involved in transactions involving buying a note to control foreclosure to great effect, it can work.
However for the most part gov't backed mortgages can't be purchased individually. For example if he's just finished renting, perhaps he got an FHA loan. If so, you can't purchase it.
Even if you could, it may not make sense. First there may be a period where he's allowed to cure the default, if he does you're now stuck with the loan. Or, let's say he got an FHA loan and put 5% down. Do you think you will be able to sell at a good value at a foreclosure sale in a rural area? More likely you will pay some legal fees and then just get the house back when nobody bids on it. Now you have to fight him and evict him and deal with cleaning out and selling his house, maybe at a loss.
It sounds like you are not perfectly clear on how code violations are handled. In some cities, if an owner has not cured a violation themselves in X days, the city can send a contractor out to take care of it and lien the property to pay for the work. It sounds like your town works differently?
My thought would be to put on legal pressure with the town and social pressure with the neighbors. Ask him nicely to clean up in a way that doesn't make him lose face. At the same time, have you and the neighbors talk to the town and hear your legal remedies, the town will be on your side, especially if you have written proof that it's decreasing property values, they'll probably be on his tail just like you are and can help you enforce in less than months probably.
And hey maybe Jay wants to add another plane to his private hanger and will buy that fuselage from him.
- 2yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Quote from @Shafi Noss:
I have been involved in transactions involving buying a note to control foreclosure to great effect, it can work.
However for the most part gov't backed mortgages can't be purchased individually. For example if he's just finished renting, perhaps he got an FHA loan. If so, you can't purchase it.
Even if you could, it may not make sense. First there may be a period where he's allowed to cure the default, if he does you're now stuck with the loan. Or, let's say he got an FHA loan and put 5% down. Do you think you will be able to sell at a good value at a foreclosure sale in a rural area? More likely you will pay some legal fees and then just get the house back when nobody bids on it. Now you have to fight him and evict him and deal with cleaning out and selling his house, maybe at a loss.
It sounds like you are not perfectly clear on how code violations are handled. In some cities, if an owner has not cured a violation themselves in X days, the city can send a contractor out to take care of it and lien the property to pay for the work. It sounds like your town works differently?
My thought would be to put on legal pressure with the town and social pressure with the neighbors. Ask him nicely to clean up in a way that doesn't make him lose face. At the same time, have you and the neighbors talk to the town and hear your legal remedies, they will be on your side, especially if you have written proof that it's decreasing property values, they'll probably be on his tail just like you are.
And hey maybe Jay wants to add another plane to his private hanger and will buy that fuselage from him.
Plane and Hanger are gone but thanks for the mention.. retired from aviation 3 years ago.. its a young mans game. - Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes2y
@Jay Hinrichs If I can manage it, I'll get you the fuselage as a trophy.....
- Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
@Jay Hinrichs If I can manage it, I'll get you the fuselage as a trophy.....
Ya know.... That fuselage would probably be some kids dream come true as a tree-house....
- Lender · Nationwide · Member since 2018 · 571 posts · 310 votes2y
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
@Jay Hinrichs If I can manage it, I'll get you the fuselage as a trophy.....
Ya know.... That fuselage would probably be some kids dream come true as a tree-house....
Actually sounds awesome
- 2yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
@Jay Hinrichs If I can manage it, I'll get you the fuselage as a trophy.....
Ya know.... That fuselage would probably be some kids dream come true as a tree-house....
there is a 727 in the foothills outside Oregon fully intact and some has made it into their house when i would fly over it you do a double take what is that jet doing down in the trees :) - Chicago Area, IL · Member since 2024 · 54 posts · 49 votes2yIf that is the one I saw in a YouTube video, the guy bought it and had it transported (disassembled and reassembled) just to live in it.
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
there is a 727 in the foothills outside Oregon fully intact and some has made it into their house when i would fly over it you do a double take what is that jet doing down in the trees :) - Chicago Area, IL · Member since 2024 · 54 posts · 49 votes2yIf they are doing repair work for hire, that might be against zoning. And if not, do they have paperwork that shows that they own everything? Some may have been acquired for cash or haul-away, without paperwork. Your LEO friends might be able to check that out.
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
The neighbors are on board and a couple of them are current and retired LEO...that might help...? - Chicago Area, IL · Member since 2024 · 54 posts · 49 votes2y
Quote from @Joe S.:
Another Property, the next-door neighbor had two Doberman pincher dogs that would come rushing up to the fence, barking and growling ferociously when we had a potential buyer.Sounds like you could have used this... Or at least a funny read.
- 2yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
If that is the one I saw in a YouTube video, the guy bought it and had it transported (disassembled and reassembled) just to live in it.Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
there is a 727 in the foothills outside Oregon fully intact and some has made it into their house when i would fly over it you do a double take what is that jet doing down in the trees :)
that be the one !!! if your coming into KHIO from the south west you can see it in the trees. - Chicago Area, IL · Member since 2024 · 54 posts · 49 votes2yUffda applies to many things in real estate. Some things you just can't change, so...
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Joel Forsythe:
@Bruce Woodruff You stated they were renters before, so this reads like they were “screw that landlord telling us what we can do, we’ll buy our own house and do what the hell we want”. My read is that they will dig in, likely feeling persecuted by the last living situation, so……uffda. Any chance any neighbor is getting along with them? Reason and diplomacy dead on arrival? Anyone make them understand real estate valuation and the damage they are doing? My reading above says probably not.
This will be the long game imho, solidarity for a long haul with the other neighbors for 1-2 sold years of relentless code enforcement harassment. Or roll the dice with listing and see if you can catch a buyer who doesn’t care enough to ding you. You don’t have to accept crap offers, maybe you get out without the headache?
"...uffda"....
Oh hey der fellow Nord, lol.
Oh-yah funny running into ya here youbetchya.
- Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes2y
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
Uffda applies to many things in real estate. Some things you just can't change, so...Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Joel Forsythe:
@Bruce Woodruff You stated they were renters before, so this reads like they were “screw that landlord telling us what we can do, we’ll buy our own house and do what the hell we want”. My read is that they will dig in, likely feeling persecuted by the last living situation, so……uffda. Any chance any neighbor is getting along with them? Reason and diplomacy dead on arrival? Anyone make them understand real estate valuation and the damage they are doing? My reading above says probably not.
This will be the long game imho, solidarity for a long haul with the other neighbors for 1-2 sold years of relentless code enforcement harassment. Or roll the dice with listing and see if you can catch a buyer who doesn’t care enough to ding you. You don’t have to accept crap offers, maybe you get out without the headache?
"...uffda"....
Oh hey der fellow Nord, lol.
Oh-yah funny running into ya here youbetchya.
Hae?
- Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes2y
Update - I got a return call from the Code Enforcement Officer himself....really great guy. Understands how we (the neighbors) feel. Kept me on the phone for 45 minutes with stories about his thankless job (note- I would not want his job for anything...:-)
So in less than 30 days, the offending neighbor has to have removed a sizable number of the cars and other junk. If he has not he will be taken to Court, where the CEO says he always wins. Then starts the $750 a day fines and the lien.
The only possible problem might be this - he says some people (the ones with a mental/hoarding disorder) will not surrender even with the fines. They just say they will keep the house forever and the heck with the fines. I thought the County could foreclose the way I used to as a GC, but he said no, they cannot.
So I am compiling an email list of all interested neighbors and will get started with organizing a group, we'll see who is interested in participating. The Officer says it's fine to go ahead and sue at the same time he pursues his actions, can't hurt.....
Thanks again to all for the suggestions!
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