What Does Real Cash Flow Look Like in 2025?

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What Does Real Cash Flow Look Like in 2025?

Joseph Snyder
Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 10 votes

Kicking off my first post here with a question I’ve been reflecting on lately:
What does actual cash flow look like in 2025?

I've been in real estate for nearly 10 years—flips, STR, MTR, by-the-room, and LTR. I'm now based in Columbus, Ohio, but I still own and operate 6 rentals in Norfolk, VA, which bring in around $3,500–$4,500/month net.

At one point I had 16 units, clearing about $8K/month, but I trimmed down for simplicity and efficiency.

I also ran a profitable Airbnb in New Orleans via rental arbitrage, which gave me great insight into short-term rental operations without owning the asset.

The market’s different in 2025—rates are higher, prices are sticky, and cash flow is tighter—but I still believe there’s opportunity if you:
✅ Buy with intention
✅ Use the right strategy (STR/MTR/LTR/etc.)
✅ Self-manage or add value yourself
✅ Focus on net, not hype

I’d love to hear from other investors:
→ Are you still seeing cash flow?
→ What’s working in your market (and what’s not)?

Let’s keep it real — no guru math.

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Dan H.Pro Member
Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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My view is if you pay retail without a value add, the cash flow on a traditional LTR using conventional financing cannot justify the work and risk of residential RE in the near term.  With patience virtually all RE purchases look good.   I am not that patient.

So how do you purchase RE to achieve a decent return sooner than holding 10 or more years. One or ideally more of the above must not be the case.

- buy below retail.  This implies off market purchase.  In general off market purchases have elevated risk levels.

- have a value add.  Create some sweat equity.  Realize value adds typically require work and have risk   

- use a rent model other than traditional LTR. STR, MTR, rent by room. Each of these require more effort than a traditional LTR.

- alternate financing: assumable, owner financing, sub to, NACA, lease to own, etc.

- be very patient.  Wait for the cash flow to improve and the appreciation to add up.


good luck

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  • Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Joseph Snyder great question, and I think like with anything it really depends.  I'm finding the best "rent to price to quality" ratios in and around downtown cbus personally.  You can generally still find small multis that are around maybe just under $300K perhaps a bit more.  The trick I tell all my people is it really matters what product you bring to market to rent.  Premium products and homes, that standout and are separated from the others in the area will always rent to the best and at the highest price.

    For example we just rented a 3 bed 3 bath home in franklinton for 2200, pretty high if you look at comps, but there was also no other 3 full bath, with off street parking, and a washer and dryer included on the 1st floor.  so it was a premium rental and we got top of market.  Big believer in the self manager myself, even if you are out of state you can be involved and you always care more than any manager will.

    [email protected]614-362-2231
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  • Joseph Snyder
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    Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 10 votes
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    Franklinton** is an area I’ve seen some small multi family that’s certainly affordable for today’s market and 2200 ain’t bad, nice work! I appreciate you sharing!

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  • Jimmy Rojas
    Member since 2020 · 168 posts · 50 votes
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    Are things that bad in Va, you are netting $4.5k a month from 6 rentals?, here in Phx,Az my bro gets $10k a month for just one 1acre comerical property.

    He paid cash for the property.

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    • Joseph Snyder
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      Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 10 votes
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      Quote from @Jimmy Rojas:

      Are things that bad in Va, you are netting $4.5k a month from 6 rentals?, here in Phx,Az my bro gets $10k a month for just one 1acre comerical property.

      He paid cash for the property.

      thats pretty awesome! i will upload my pnls in the near future. I alwaysfigured that was pretty good based on the bp podcast. do you have more info on his property id love to learn more about where others are seeing success!
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  • Joseph TadresPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2025 · 184 posts · 179 votes
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    Hey @Joseph Snyder I'm in Columbus too, and you're spot on. Real cash flow in 2025 feels like $200–$400/month per unit after all expenses. Deals still work, but only if you buy right, add value, or get creative with financing. For me, small multis in C/B- areas with strong rental demand (like Section 8 or MTR near hospitals) are still solid. Always happy to connect if you’re looking local.

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  • Arman AhmedPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2024 · 2k+ posts · 972 votes
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    @Joseph Snyder

    Love this post — appreciate the real numbers and experience backing it. I’m still seeing cash flow, but it’s tighter than before, especially with debt service eating into margins. I’m finding 70–80 cents on the dollar deals in markets like Dayton and Cleveland, and making them work through value-adds and self-management.

    Biggest wins lately come from being selective and staying local with contractors and PMs. Are you leaning more toward scaling again or keeping it lean and optimized?

    [email protected]614-418-6081
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    • Joseph Snyder
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      Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 10 votes
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      Quote from @Arman Ahmed:

      @Joseph Snyder

      Love this post — appreciate the real numbers and experience backing it. I’m still seeing cash flow, but it’s tighter than before, especially with debt service eating into margins. I’m finding 70–80 cents on the dollar deals in markets like Dayton and Cleveland, and making them work through value-adds and self-management.

      Biggest wins lately come from being selective and staying local with contractors and PMs. Are you leaning more toward scaling again or keeping it lean and optimized?


      This is exactly the same dispostion as myself I will be sacaling in 2026. I havent fully decided which model I will use but leaning towards aquiring maybe 4 section 8s over 2026/partnering up on a STR/buying commercial and starting a gym.(still RE investing in my eyes) How about yourself?

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  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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    My view is if you pay retail without a value add, the cash flow on a traditional LTR using conventional financing cannot justify the work and risk of residential RE in the near term.  With patience virtually all RE purchases look good.   I am not that patient.

    So how do you purchase RE to achieve a decent return sooner than holding 10 or more years. One or ideally more of the above must not be the case.

    - buy below retail.  This implies off market purchase.  In general off market purchases have elevated risk levels.

    - have a value add.  Create some sweat equity.  Realize value adds typically require work and have risk   

    - use a rent model other than traditional LTR. STR, MTR, rent by room. Each of these require more effort than a traditional LTR.

    - alternate financing: assumable, owner financing, sub to, NACA, lease to own, etc.

    - be very patient.  Wait for the cash flow to improve and the appreciation to add up.


    good luck

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    • Damon Aniton
      New Orleans, LA · Member since 2017 · 80 posts · 35 votes
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      Quote from @Dan H.:

      My view is if you pay retail without a value add, the cash flow on a traditional LTR using conventional financing cannot justify the work and risk of residential RE in the near term.  With patience virtually all RE purchases look good.   I am not that patient.

      So how do you purchase RE to achieve a decent return sooner than holding 10 or more years. One or ideally more of the above must not be the case.

      - buy below retail.  This implies off market purchase.  In general off market purchases have elevated risk levels.

      - have a value add.  Create some sweat equity.  Realize value adds typically require work and have risk   

      - use a rent model other than traditional LTR. STR, MTR, rent by room. Each of these require more effort than a traditional LTR.

      - alternate financing: assumable, owner financing, sub to, NACA, lease to own, etc.

      - be very patient.  Wait for the cash flow to improve and the appreciation to add up.


      good luck


       I am not so sure about that first statement.  I think it is more market dependent.  I am looking into several properties in Kansas City and Cleveland on nothing but Redfin that will turn a decent profit.  

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    • Dan H.Pro Member
      Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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      Quote from @Damon Aniton:
      Quote from @Dan H.:

      My view is if you pay retail without a value add, the cash flow on a traditional LTR using conventional financing cannot justify the work and risk of residential RE in the near term.  With patience virtually all RE purchases look good.   I am not that patient.

      So how do you purchase RE to achieve a decent return sooner than holding 10 or more years. One or ideally more of the above must not be the case.

      - buy below retail.  This implies off market purchase.  In general off market purchases have elevated risk levels.

      - have a value add.  Create some sweat equity.  Realize value adds typically require work and have risk   

      - use a rent model other than traditional LTR. STR, MTR, rent by room. Each of these require more effort than a traditional LTR.

      - alternate financing: assumable, owner financing, sub to, NACA, lease to own, etc.

      - be very patient.  Wait for the cash flow to improve and the appreciation to add up.


      good luck


       I am not so sure about that first statement.  I think it is more market dependent.  I am looking into several properties in Kansas City and Cleveland on nothing but Redfin that will turn a decent profit.  

       I suspect you and I use very different underwriting.  What does the 50% rule show?   Note I would consider 50% rule aggressive to very aggressive in Cleveland.   Also how did you determine your maintenance and cap ex estimates?  Is your estimate intended to be full sustained maintenance/cap ex?   Hopefully you did not use some calculator’s default percentage of the rent.

      Be leery of underwriting by anyone that occupation relies on RE sales.  Also be leery of underwriting by anyone that has not been in the market long enough to have long life cap ex failures unless they indicate their cap ex is derived by cost and expected lifetime.   Actuals will not suffice until 30 or 40 years because some cap ex items last that long.

      I do not know much about KC except someone from this market (@Lee Ripma) has made it her primary market.  She knows her stuff.  Because she knows her stuff, I suspect she is acquiring either below market or value add and probably both.

      I stand by my post. Post the underwriting for one of these Cleveland or KC rent ready MLS properties.

      Good luck

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    • Joseph Snyder
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      Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 10 votes
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      Quote from @Dan H.:

      My view is if you pay retail without a value add, the cash flow on a traditional LTR using conventional financing cannot justify the work and risk of residential RE in the near term.  With patience virtually all RE purchases look good.   I am not that patient.

      So how do you purchase RE to achieve a decent return sooner than holding 10 or more years. One or ideally more of the above must not be the case.

      - buy below retail.  This implies off market purchase.  In general off market purchases have elevated risk levels.

      - have a value add.  Create some sweat equity.  Realize value adds typically require work and have risk   

      - use a rent model other than traditional LTR. STR, MTR, rent by room. Each of these require more effort than a traditional LTR.

      - alternate financing: assumable, owner financing, sub to, NACA, lease to own, etc.

      - be very patient.  Wait for the cash flow to improve and the appreciation to add up.


      good luck


       Excellent points! Appreciate you sharing. My next post will touch on exactly what you shared! 

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  • Damon Aniton
    New Orleans, LA · Member since 2017 · 80 posts · 35 votes
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    I purchased my first property in January 2023.  A duplex in New Orleans.  Brand new 6 bed 6 bath up and down layout.  I have both units rented on section 8 which has been fine.  The only real problem I ran into was it being a poor build by the builder in ways that dont show in an inspection.

    This in the long run is more of an inconvenience than anything as the state has home warranty mandates that is covering all this long term.

    Since then I have completely revamped my buy box with my little more than 2 years of experience.  Pushing me to mid west cities with single family and multifamily homes in that 50-120k range.  Now that I know how to better and more efficiently navigate the section 8 landlord process and work within their rent price guidelines.  It makes finding properties and still turning a profit easy'er.

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    • Joseph Snyder
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      Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 10 votes
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      Quote from @Damon Aniton:

      I purchased my first property in January 2023.  A duplex in New Orleans.  Brand new 6 bed 6 bath up and down layout.  I have both units rented on section 8 which has been fine.  The only real problem I ran into was it being a poor build by the builder in ways that dont show in an inspection.

      This in the long run is more of an inconvenience than anything as the state has home warranty mandates that is covering all this long term.

      Since then I have completely revamped my buy box with my little more than 2 years of experience.  Pushing me to mid west cities with single family and multifamily homes in that 50-120k range.  Now that I know how to better and more efficiently navigate the section 8 landlord process and work within their rent price guidelines.  It makes finding properties and still turning a profit easy'er.


      Thats really cool you're doing section 8. That is where i will be pivoting in 2026. Are you looking in different markets? I used to have a arbritrage str in Nola, but shut it down due to STR becoming very stringent there. Nola has go to be top 3 cities for me in US because of the culture out there!

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  • Jeremy Horton
    Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    There's 2 avenues to invest (to me personally at least):

    1) Equity capture at the buy 

    2) Favorable financing that allows you to cashflow

    Regardless you'd have to buy well under market (that's what investing is anyway, right?). So you can cashflow with traditional financing if you buy at a cheap enough price or if you get some below market financing terms (seller financing fixed at 4-5% and negotiate a balloon payment or IO for a period)

    If you can't cashflow enough then you need to capture enough equity to be able to flip relatively soon or break even with cashflow. The equity capture at the buy would essentially be your return as opposed to a CoC return. So your net worth increases but you don't cashflow much.

    My equity capture scenario - I bought a house for 160k, put ~7k into it, and it's easily a 200k house. It cashflows after property management about $150/month. New roof/hw heater/AC/flooring/paint so low CapEx for the next 10-15 years.

    My cashflow scenario - bought a duplex in 2021 - total mortgage was $616/month. Rented for a total of $1350/mo. Mortgage has increased over the past few years (primarily due to insurance) to 889.96. Still rents for $1350/month. So nearly a 50% increase in the mortgage payment over the last 4 years. Has a good bit of deferred CapEx coming up in the next few years as well. It's tough

    Also labor has gotten A LOT more expensive - borderline unaffordable. Plumbers used to be $85/hour and I'd get a discount down to $65/hour. Now? $135/hr with one company and $175/hr with the other. Insane. So rehabs have gotten more expensive? What does this mean? That you have to buy at an even further discount 

    That's the two sides of the spectrum for me anyway - I've been able to increase rent on one house from 1200 to 1350. Although I suspect the $1200 was a little low to begin with. Mortgage there is ~750/mo. 

    Small multifamily are really the way to go - ideally 4 units. The cashflow is higher overall, it's affordable so there will always be demand, when there's vacancy it's only 1/4 of the property as opposed to a house that is 100% etc etc 

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    • Joseph Snyder
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      Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 10 votes
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      Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

      There's 2 avenues to invest (to me personally at least):

      1) Equity capture at the buy 

      2) Favorable financing that allows you to cashflow

      Regardless you'd have to buy well under market (that's what investing is anyway, right?). So you can cashflow with traditional financing if you buy at a cheap enough price or if you get some below market financing terms (seller financing fixed at 4-5% and negotiate a balloon payment or IO for a period)

      If you can't cashflow enough then you need to capture enough equity to be able to flip relatively soon or break even with cashflow. The equity capture at the buy would essentially be your return as opposed to a CoC return. So your net worth increases but you don't cashflow much.

      My equity capture scenario - I bought a house for 160k, put ~7k into it, and it's easily a 200k house. It cashflows after property management about $150/month. New roof/hw heater/AC/flooring/paint so low CapEx for the next 10-15 years.

      My cashflow scenario - bought a duplex in 2021 - total mortgage was $616/month. Rented for a total of $1350/mo. Mortgage has increased over the past few years (primarily due to insurance) to 889.96. Still rents for $1350/month. So nearly a 50% increase in the mortgage payment over the last 4 years. Has a good bit of deferred CapEx coming up in the next few years as well. It's tough

      Also labor has gotten A LOT more expensive - borderline unaffordable. Plumbers used to be $85/hour and I'd get a discount down to $65/hour. Now? $135/hr with one company and $175/hr with the other. Insane. So rehabs have gotten more expensive? What does this mean? That you have to buy at an even further discount 

      That's the two sides of the spectrum for me anyway - I've been able to increase rent on one house from 1200 to 1350. Although I suspect the $1200 was a little low to begin with. Mortgage there is ~750/mo. 

      Small multifamily are really the way to go - ideally 4 units. The cashflow is higher overall, it's affordable so there will always be demand, when there's vacancy it's only 1/4 of the property as opposed to a house that is 100% etc etc

      That’s super insightful! Finding those below-market deals really is the key. How do you go about finding them? Driving for dollars, networking, off-market leads? Are you actively acquiring right now or more focused on stabilizing what you’ve already got?





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    • Jeremy Horton
      Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      Quote from @Joseph Snyder:
      Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

      There's 2 avenues to invest (to me personally at least):

      1) Equity capture at the buy 

      2) Favorable financing that allows you to cashflow

      Regardless you'd have to buy well under market (that's what investing is anyway, right?). So you can cashflow with traditional financing if you buy at a cheap enough price or if you get some below market financing terms (seller financing fixed at 4-5% and negotiate a balloon payment or IO for a period)

      If you can't cashflow enough then you need to capture enough equity to be able to flip relatively soon or break even with cashflow. The equity capture at the buy would essentially be your return as opposed to a CoC return. So your net worth increases but you don't cashflow much.

      My equity capture scenario - I bought a house for 160k, put ~7k into it, and it's easily a 200k house. It cashflows after property management about $150/month. New roof/hw heater/AC/flooring/paint so low CapEx for the next 10-15 years.

      My cashflow scenario - bought a duplex in 2021 - total mortgage was $616/month. Rented for a total of $1350/mo. Mortgage has increased over the past few years (primarily due to insurance) to 889.96. Still rents for $1350/month. So nearly a 50% increase in the mortgage payment over the last 4 years. Has a good bit of deferred CapEx coming up in the next few years as well. It's tough

      Also labor has gotten A LOT more expensive - borderline unaffordable. Plumbers used to be $85/hour and I'd get a discount down to $65/hour. Now? $135/hr with one company and $175/hr with the other. Insane. So rehabs have gotten more expensive? What does this mean? That you have to buy at an even further discount 

      That's the two sides of the spectrum for me anyway - I've been able to increase rent on one house from 1200 to 1350. Although I suspect the $1200 was a little low to begin with. Mortgage there is ~750/mo. 

      Small multifamily are really the way to go - ideally 4 units. The cashflow is higher overall, it's affordable so there will always be demand, when there's vacancy it's only 1/4 of the property as opposed to a house that is 100% etc etc

      That’s super insightful! Finding those below-market deals really is the key. How do you go about finding them? Driving for dollars, networking, off-market leads? Are you actively acquiring right now or more focused on stabilizing what you’ve already got?





      There are a ton of ways to find off-market properties - personally my route would be farming a specific area by sending flyers, utilizing propstream, skiptracing then contacting the owners. Secondly having a website so that motivated sellers come to you is always a good lead generation route - from here you would funnel the leads into what fits your buy-box, then reach out to owners to get the condition of the house (so you can valuate it) then make an offer at <75% of what the ARV value is. That's what my next step would be if I continued the LTR route.

      That being said I am not actively acquiring right now. Stabilizing what I have now. 

      I'm trying to figure out what makes the most sense right now - RE is more work for the same or less returns of the past. The stock market is on absolute fire and there is an AI boom coming. I believe it in. Bitcoin has gotten too big to fail - it has plenty of issues sure, but I think the long-term outlook is looking really good. Institutional  investment in BTC is increasing rapidly. Running/Developing a business is also interesting - the business is valued on the income as opposed to what my neighbors house sold for (comps). The business cashflows more than RE. 

      So I am trying to figure out exactly where RE investing fits in all of this - if I can't legally steal it, I'm not sure it makes sense right now. I think there are other opportunities that may make more sense at this moment. 

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