BiggerPockets Crooks, Scammers, Deviants, Fake Identities & Con Artists

BiggerPockets Crooks, Scammers, Deviants, Fake Identities & Con Artists

Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes

BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

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Marco Santarelli

Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

Norada Capital Management suspending payments

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Clayton Morris

Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

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Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

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Matt Motil

Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

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Wendell de Guzman

Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

Be careful who you invest with

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Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
11mo
Quote from @James Hamling:

How do we get @Moderators to pin this thread to top of forums like BP notices? 

Because this is the MOST needed PSA of all! 


 Ask and ye shall receive

See this reply in the discussion

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    11mo

    Add Jerry and Sean Cohen  they got in big trouble in Chicago from what I have read and other investors have said. 

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

      Add Jerry and Sean Cohen  they got in big trouble in Chicago from what I have read and other investors have said. 


       Is it this Sean Cohen, or another one? What'd they do?

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

      Add Jerry and Sean Cohen  they got in big trouble in Chicago from what I have read and other investors have said. 


       Is it this Sean Cohen, or another one? What'd they do?


      nope not him..  they are from florida.
    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

      Add Jerry and Sean Cohen  they got in big trouble in Chicago from what I have read and other investors have said. 


       Is it this Sean Cohen, or another one? What'd they do?


      nope not him..  they are from florida.

       What'd they do?

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

      Add Jerry and Sean Cohen  they got in big trouble in Chicago from what I have read and other investors have said. 


       Is it this Sean Cohen, or another one? What'd they do?


      nope not him..  they are from florida.

       What'd they do?


      bought old chicago south side plex's and apartments  did  fractional ownerships through assignments that were not recorded.. I had a client in CA reach out and show me what he had . and then the buildings got lost in foreclosurse and feds shut them down not sure what happened after that.. I had a long history with Jerry dating back to mid 2000s in Jackson MS when he was selling turnkey and some of that turned into a mess he then moved on to Chicago and his son got into the bizz with him as the face of the company.. his son posted on BP.. and these were BP member's that were investors that claimed they lost money
  • Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    11mo

    How do we get mods to pin this thread to top of forums like BP notices? 

    Because this is the MOST needed PSA of all! 

    • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Hamling:

      How do we get @Moderators to pin this thread to top of forums like BP notices? 

      Because this is the MOST needed PSA of all! 


       Ask and ye shall receive

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Russell Brazil:
      Quote from @James Hamling:

      How do we get @Moderators to pin this thread to top of forums like BP notices? 

      Because this is the MOST needed PSA of all! 


       Ask and ye shall receive

       What a stud you are.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Russell Brazil:
      Quote from @James Hamling:

      How do we get @Moderators to pin this thread to top of forums like BP notices? 

      Because this is the MOST needed PSA of all! 


       Ask and ye shall receive

      its a slippery slope though you have some that get in trouble with regulators then there are a lot of deals that go bad and of course the investors are immediately insinuating Ponzi  Crooks etc etc.. So I guess the line in the sand is did a federal or state agency step in and file complaints or indictments.. I dont think Morris for example got indited or any state charges we know Whalen did of course.. Morris was if he never gets tagged very lucky guy 

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Russell Brazil:
      Quote from @James Hamling:

      How do we get @Moderators to pin this thread to top of forums like BP notices? 

      Because this is the MOST needed PSA of all! 


       Ask and ye shall receive

      its a slippery slope though you have some that get in trouble with regulators then there are a lot of deals that go bad and of course the investors are immediately insinuating Ponzi  Crooks etc etc.. So I guess the line in the sand is did a federal or state agency step in and file complaints or indictments.. I dont think Morris for example got indited or any state charges we know Whalen did of course.. Morris was if he never gets tagged very lucky guy 

       I dunno about that being position of the line in the sand. Using multiple identities while conducting business is pretty damning behavior.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Russell Brazil:
      Quote from @James Hamling:

      How do we get @Moderators to pin this thread to top of forums like BP notices? 

      Because this is the MOST needed PSA of all! 


       Ask and ye shall receive

      its a slippery slope though you have some that get in trouble with regulators then there are a lot of deals that go bad and of course the investors are immediately insinuating Ponzi  Crooks etc etc.. So I guess the line in the sand is did a federal or state agency step in and file complaints or indictments.. I dont think Morris for example got indited or any state charges we know Whalen did of course.. Morris was if he never gets tagged very lucky guy 


       I dunno about the position of that line in the sand. Using multiple identities while conducting business is pretty damning behavior.


      Well there is that too  thats a sub set of bad behavior.. Whalen / Morris Et Al was down right fraud.. taking in money to rehab and diverting it. Leaving investors with smokin holes
  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    11mo

    OP thanks for post.

    People who lost money sorry for your loss.

    BP time will pass.   Next set of new passive investors will come to market on BP.   Next set of bad deals whether fraud, poor investor deals  or poor valuation projections will surface.  And the next bad investment posts will occur.  This post will go to the way side.

    BP have the following suggestion.  Being a financial and systems person by training, I would not suggest the following without you monetizing it.  Otherwise you shouldn’t do it.  

    Bring AI tools to bear within the BP world from a sale able service standpoint.  Whether it is people reading this post, using the inadequate lookup function for Due Diligence, linking to podcasts or selling books on Due Diligence, beginner training tool, make it easy for members to find these tools and for you to monetize.  

    All of the above may exist in BP but they are not readily accessible.  Use AI.  AI doesn’t have to be used as a what if.  It can also be used to monetize BP and sale services.

    I read the attached “Back” posts linked  above and the Syndication bad posts.   They all show a lack of knowledge or execution “Laziness” of due diligence.  They all focus on “Trust.”  

    If you’re not trained as an Investment Banker or Loan Officer don’t do these deals.  
    Or if you don’t know how to perform due diligence.  

    BP make several posts and ask for Due Diligence lists. Different REI areas. Syndications, loans, notes, residential, land development, commercial, etc. Add them to your product offering and sell them or as a training package.

    BP is geared to new investor turnover to make money.   Funnel them to your products.  Don’t make them find them.  

    It’s your money, you’re always right; even if you’re wrong.  

    Looking at some Nasty properties in Zagreb, Croatia.   Who wants to loan me money, have several deal sizes.  All 6 month, 50% annual interest, secured by the property.  $500,000; $100,000; $50,000; $20,000.

    “TRUST” me.   Great deals.  

  • Real Estate Agent · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11mo

    Hey Everybody, 

    I have a some info that has not been announced yet.  The state of Florida is going to buid an international airport near the detention center in south Florida.  I have a small group of investors I am working with that are buying several hundred acres of land around it.  The land will 100x in value once the airport opens.

    We have one more share left and if you Zelle me 10k before midnight tonight I may be able to get you in.   

    Greed makes smart people ask stupidly.  It is really easy to get caught up in a deal that is to good to be true.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Lesley Resnick:

      Hey Everybody, 

      I have a some info that has not been announced yet.  The state of Florida is going to buid an international airport near the detention center in south Florida.  I have a small group of investors I am working with that are buying several hundred acres of land around it.  The land will 100x in value once the airport opens.

      We have one more share left and if you Zelle me 10k before midnight tonight I may be able to get you in.   

      Greed makes smart people ask stupidly.  It is really easy to get caught up in a deal that is to good to be true.


      they were selling that dream in the high desert of CA north of LA 75 years ago. 
    • Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Lesley Resnick:

      Hey Everybody, 

      I have a some info that has not been announced yet.  The state of Florida is going to buid an international airport near the detention center in south Florida.  I have a small group of investors I am working with that are buying several hundred acres of land around it.  The land will 100x in value once the airport opens.

      We have one more share left and if you Zelle me 10k before midnight tonight I may be able to get you in.   

      Greed makes smart people ask stupidly.  It is really easy to get caught up in a deal that is to good to be true.


      they were selling that dream in the high desert of CA north of LA 75 years ago. 

       California City? We'll be there in November!

    • Real Estate Agent · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Lesley Resnick:

      Hey Everybody, 

      I have a some info that has not been announced yet.  The state of Florida is going to buid an international airport near the detention center in south Florida.  I have a small group of investors I am working with that are buying several hundred acres of land around it.  The land will 100x in value once the airport opens.

      We have one more share left and if you Zelle me 10k before midnight tonight I may be able to get you in.   

      Greed makes smart people ask stupidly.  It is really easy to get caught up in a deal that is to good to be true.


      they were selling that dream in the high desert of CA north of LA 75 years ago. 

      It does sometimes go the other way.  In the 1940's who would have thought, "I will build an adult playground in the desert that will become one of the worlds largest tourest destinations in the world."  We asll know how that tured out.  

  • Real Estate Agent · Mesa, AZ · Member since 2017 · 230 posts · 169 votes
    11mo

    I did not expect to see "amateur porn actor" on the list lol. I will now be searching all contacts on a few more sites now lol.

  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    11mo

    I think the warning is very appropriate.   It seems there is more lender fraud currently than ever before (maybe it is just more publicized than it used to be).  Did anyone else notice how many lenders were at BPCon2025?  It reminds me of the Ohio realtor mafia in the forums (OP excluded as he pokes as much fun at the Ohio realtor posse as anyone).

    I do not place bob Stevens with the others even though I did not aggree with his posts because 1) I knew he had 2 different names online for quite a while. I was unsure if he had a name change, wanted some anonymity, or had some other reason. It did not bother me. Note I use Dan H rather than my full name for some poor anonymity. Anyone can find my full name via my profile and maybe 5 or 10 minutes search (just trace the LLC would do it). 2) I suspect Bob believes the dribble he posted (except possibly exaggerating his purchases) 3) to the best of my knowledge he was never charged with anything.

    I do feel using an initial rather than a fake last name seems more ethical, but the reality is they serve the same purpose.

    • Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Dan H.:

      I think the warning is very appropriate.   It seems there is more lender fraud currently than ever before (maybe it is just more publicized than it used to be).  Did anyone else notice how many lenders were at BPCon2025?  It reminds me of the Ohio realtor mafia in the forums (OP excluded as he pokes as much fun at the Ohio realtor posse as anyone).

      I do not place bob Stevens with the others even though I did not aggree with his posts because 1) I knew he had 2 different names online for quite a while. I was unsure if he had a name change, wanted some anonymity, or had some other reason. It did not bother me. Note I use Dan H rather than my full name for some poor anonymity. Anyone can find my full name via my profile and maybe 5 or 10 minutes search (just trace the LLC would do it). 2) I suspect Bob believes the dribble he posted (except possibly exaggerating his purchases) 3) to the best of my knowledge he was never charged with anything.

      I do feel using an initial rather than a fake last name seems more ethical, but the reality is they serve the same purpose.


       Im guessing transactional volume is pretty low for lenders these days, the REA's I know are really slow right now....they seem to be getting rather apathetic too.

      Yeah, Bob was kinda funny sometimes "20 caps sitting on the beach" James called them "Bobisms" lol

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Dan H.:

      I think the warning is very appropriate.   It seems there is more lender fraud currently than ever before (maybe it is just more publicized than it used to be).  Did anyone else notice how many lenders were at BPCon2025?  It reminds me of the Ohio realtor mafia in the forums (OP excluded as he pokes as much fun at the Ohio realtor posse as anyone).

      I do not place bob Stevens with the others even though I did not aggree with his posts because 1) I knew he had 2 different names online for quite a while. I was unsure if he had a name change, wanted some anonymity, or had some other reason. It did not bother me. Note I use Dan H rather than my full name for some poor anonymity. Anyone can find my full name via my profile and maybe 5 or 10 minutes search (just trace the LLC would do it). 2) I suspect Bob believes the dribble he posted (except possibly exaggerating his purchases) 3) to the best of my knowledge he was never charged with anything.

      I do feel using an initial rather than a fake last name seems more ethical, but the reality is they serve the same purpose.


      yes lots of lenders there.. Shoot sorry I missed you there. I could not figure out how to use that app thingee the attendees used  LOL.. so Ms. Lori and I just wondered around .. I thought it was pretty first class though with food coffee drinks etc.. not bad really would recommend it. 

    • Dan H.Pro Member
      Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Dan H.:

      I think the warning is very appropriate.   It seems there is more lender fraud currently than ever before (maybe it is just more publicized than it used to be).  Did anyone else notice how many lenders were at BPCon2025?  It reminds me of the Ohio realtor mafia in the forums (OP excluded as he pokes as much fun at the Ohio realtor posse as anyone).

      I do not place bob Stevens with the others even though I did not aggree with his posts because 1) I knew he had 2 different names online for quite a while. I was unsure if he had a name change, wanted some anonymity, or had some other reason. It did not bother me. Note I use Dan H rather than my full name for some poor anonymity. Anyone can find my full name via my profile and maybe 5 or 10 minutes search (just trace the LLC would do it). 2) I suspect Bob believes the dribble he posted (except possibly exaggerating his purchases) 3) to the best of my knowledge he was never charged with anything.

      I do feel using an initial rather than a fake last name seems more ethical, but the reality is they serve the same purpose.


      yes lots of lenders there.. Shoot sorry I missed you there. I could not figure out how to use that app thingee the attendees used  LOL.. so Ms. Lori and I just wondered around .. I thought it was pretty first class though with food coffee drinks etc.. not bad really would recommend it. 


      If I had recognized you, I would have introduced myself.  I would have been honored to meet you.

      The more experience you have, the less valuable the sessions (but I apparently still need help with deal flow), but the networking presents a valuable opportunity. I am not into the nightclub party; Orlando in bpcon2023 had exclusive assess to Universal Studios.  That is more my up of tea.

      It was less crowded than I thought it would be.  that is good.   The location was not spread out everywhere(like Orlando for BPCon2023).

      I, and it seemed many in the crowd, was not excited it is back to Orlando for BPCon2026.   Orlando was my least favorite BPCon of the 4 I have been to due to feeling like cattle.   Also it was just at Orlando in 2023.   There are a lot of great places they can hold BPCon.  I suspect far less than 10% of the attendees expressed pleasure/excitement with the Orlando announcement.  

      Hopefully we get another chance to meet each other soon.

      Take care

  • Real Estate Agent · Chicago, IL · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    11mo

    @Jay Hinrichs
    Who are Jerry and Sean Cohen in Chicago, what did they do? 

    Yeah always need vet people very well. I prefer all my non direct ownership investments just being in index funds as can’t get scammed that way. 

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    11mo

    I don’t understand why Bob’s “you don’t need a realtor you just need a team” posts haven’t been deleted. He degraded the forums for years with that nonsense, using it to lure people towards his sketchy PM company, and encouraging them to invest in bad deals “I get 30% net caps all day”, lol. I got tired of calling him out for it.  It’s a shame those fraudulent posts were never deleted IMHO. 

    There have been a lot of other obvious frauds over the years but BP seems to be good about deleting their accounts and their past comments. I’ve had a bunch of random people DM me with solicitations, and they are “account no longer active” in short order. 

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
    Moderator
    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    11mo
    Quote from @James Wise:

    BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

    The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

    Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

    ___

    Marco Santarelli

    Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

    Norada Capital Management suspending payments

    ___

    Clayton Morris

    Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

    Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

    ___

    Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

    This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

    We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

    ___

    Matt Motil

    Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

    WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

    ___

    Wendell de Guzman

    Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

    Be careful who you invest with

    ___

    Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

    Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

    Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


     I think this list will grow in the coming months - including one named after a company that when I was growing up meant really cool.. Some honorable mentions not included:

    Matt Onofrio, Drive Planning, Chimene Van Gundy...

    7e investments53 Reviews
    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       I think this list will grow in the coming months - including one named after a company that when I was growing up meant really cool.. Some honorable mentions not included:

      Matt Onofrio, Drive Planning, Chimene Van Gundy...


       What did each of these fellas do?

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       I think this list will grow in the coming months - including one named after a company that when I was growing up meant really cool.. Some honorable mentions not included:

      Matt Onofrio, Drive Planning, Chimene Van Gundy...


       What did each of these fellas do?

      Also, if I am picking up what you're putting down on the "meant really cool" comment, I'm assuming you're talking about Matt Theriault from Epic Real Estate? What's he accused of doing?

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       I think this list will grow in the coming months - including one named after a company that when I was growing up meant really cool.. Some honorable mentions not included:

      Matt Onofrio, Drive Planning, Chimene Van Gundy...


       What did each of these fellas do?


      'cheme van Gundy was the mobile home queen just garden variety ponzi is what she is accused of or convicted of Not sure if she has been through the trail yet.
    • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       I think this list will grow in the coming months - including one named after a company that when I was growing up meant really cool.. Some honorable mentions not included:

      Matt Onofrio, Drive Planning, Chimene Van Gundy...


       What did each of these fellas do?

      District of Minnesota | Maryland Man Indicted for $35 Million Bank Fraud Scheme | United States Department of Justice

      Marketed a program for investors to acquire commercial real estate located in various states. Onofrio, or his business entity, would cause false information to be submitted to lenders financing investors’ real estate purchases and in some cases altered purchase agreements to support higher appraisals of the properties.

      Prefabricated Facts: SEC Charges "Queen of Mobile Homes," Others for Years-Long Scheme | Insights | Holland & Knight

      The SEC alleges that Van Gundy and ORES did not use investor money as promised, either. Rather, the complaint contends that they paid $1.1 million in undisclosed sales commissions to Trofimoff, Kidd and Tosta and used $11 million of investor monies to make "Ponzi-like" payments to existing investors. Van Gundy allegedly misappropriated the remainder to fund her lifestyle, including a nanny and private school tuition for her children, boarding costs for horses and shopping, not to mention a $7,000 weekly salary.

      SEC.gov | Drive Planning, LLC and Russell Todd Burkhalter

      My favorite as they were promising 40% returns to investors (who gives 40% returns), and scheme was over $300M...

      The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced that it obtained a preliminary injunction, asset freeze, and other emergency relief against Drive Planning LLC and its founder and CEO, Russell Todd Burkhalter, to halt a $300 million real estate Ponzi scheme impacting more than 2,000 investors. Additionally, a receiver was appointed over Drive Planning. The SEC alleges the defendants misappropriated millions of dollars of investor funds to fund Burkhalter's lavish lifestyle and to make Ponzi-like payments.


      Coming soon: Eluzer Gold
      Suspected $100M real estate fraud scheme uncovered in Baltimore






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    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       I think this list will grow in the coming months - including one named after a company that when I was growing up meant really cool.. Some honorable mentions not included:

      Matt Onofrio, Drive Planning, Chimene Van Gundy...


       What did each of these fellas do?

      District of Minnesota | Maryland Man Indicted for $35 Million Bank Fraud Scheme | United States Department of Justice

      Marketed a program for investors to acquire commercial real estate located in various states. Onofrio, or his business entity, would cause false information to be submitted to lenders financing investors’ real estate purchases and in some cases altered purchase agreements to support higher appraisals of the properties.

      Prefabricated Facts: SEC Charges "Queen of Mobile Homes," Others for Years-Long Scheme | Insights | Holland & Knight

      The SEC alleges that Van Gundy and ORES did not use investor money as promised, either. Rather, the complaint contends that they paid $1.1 million in undisclosed sales commissions to Trofimoff, Kidd and Tosta and used $11 million of investor monies to make "Ponzi-like" payments to existing investors. Van Gundy allegedly misappropriated the remainder to fund her lifestyle, including a nanny and private school tuition for her children, boarding costs for horses and shopping, not to mention a $7,000 weekly salary.

      SEC.gov | Drive Planning, LLC and Russell Todd Burkhalter

      My favorite as they were promising 40% returns to investors (who gives 40% returns), and scheme was over $300M...

      The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced that it obtained a preliminary injunction, asset freeze, and other emergency relief against Drive Planning LLC and its founder and CEO, Russell Todd Burkhalter, to halt a $300 million real estate Ponzi scheme impacting more than 2,000 investors. Additionally, a receiver was appointed over Drive Planning. The SEC alleges the defendants misappropriated millions of dollars of investor funds to fund Burkhalter's lavish lifestyle and to make Ponzi-like payments.


      Coming soon: Eluzer Gold
      Suspected $100M real estate fraud scheme uncovered in Baltimore







      rabbi Gold took down a whole town/state  Balt/maryland DSCR loans.. they all froze for a while .. they are thawing now. DSCR is coming back to those markets but a few hedge funds and brokers were stung really bad.
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      Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
      11mo
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    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:

      @James Wise - radd

      Thanks man. Ya know, I think our boy Bobby / Kyle Stroker really thought he was throwing heat with this post.

      Thing is, if he had ever "Radically changed the Local Housing Market" he wouldn't have to film himself tugging the ole' johnson for lunch money.

    • Robert EllisBusiness Member
      Developer · Miami, FL · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:

      @James Wise - radd


       not his boyfriend defending him 

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Robert Ellis:
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:

      @James Wise - radd


       not his boyfriend defending him 


       lol, listen up Benny Blue, I'm gonna give you some free advice. 

      If you'd ever like to get out of the Willy Slapping game, and into real estate, you don't wanna come on BP talking nonsense after a long day of lining Miami Nose Beers up on the coffee table. It's bad for business.

    • Robert EllisBusiness Member
      Developer · Miami, FL · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Robert Ellis:
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:

      @James Wise - radd


       not his boyfriend defending him 


       lol, listen up Benny Blue, I'm gonna give you some free advice. 

      If you'd ever like to get out of the Willy Slapping game, and into real estate, you don't wanna come on BP talking nonsense after a long day of lining Miami Nose Beers up on the coffee table. It's bad for business.


       what's a nose beer? and I don't have a coffee table jimmy

    • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Robert Ellis:
      Quote from @Chris Seveney:

      @James Wise - radd


       not his boyfriend defending him 


       No clue what your post is in reference to or "boyfriend"..  I was answering his question regarding the fund that is currently being investigated in Florida and is all over BP here.

      Not everything is about you... 

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  • Developer · Cleveland / Akron, OH · Member since 2008 · 922 posts · 399 votes
    11mo

    Yeah it seems like if you get kicked off BP all posts should be removed. It's just easier for them than possibly allowing something left out that could be questionable, from someone who obviously broke the rules. For example, people could see an old comment from Bob Prisco/Stevens and find him and it could possible not go so well for them. 

    I'm sure BP doesn't have liability in that scenario, but it's good community service, since they themselves banned the person.  

    And like Matt Motil is going to prison, but was never kicked off of BP, so his profile is still active. So that's another scenario. 

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Ryan Arth:

      Yeah it seems like if you get kicked off BP all posts should be removed. It's just easier for them than possibly allowing something left out that could be questionable, from someone who obviously broke the rules. For example, people could see an old comment from Bob Prisco/Stevens and find him and it could possible not go so well for them. 

      I'm sure BP doesn't have liability in that scenario, but it's good community service, since they themselves banned the person.  

      And like Matt Motil is going to prison, but was never kicked off of BP, so his profile is still active. So that's another scenario. 


       Do they let you surf the net in the clink? Maybe the "Cashflow King Dr Matt Motil" can spread his awesome wisdom from the pokey.

    • JD MartinBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Ryan Arth:

      Yeah it seems like if you get kicked off BP all posts should be removed. It's just easier for them than possibly allowing something left out that could be questionable, from someone who obviously broke the rules. For example, people could see an old comment from Bob Prisco/Stevens and find him and it could possible not go so well for them. 

      I'm sure BP doesn't have liability in that scenario, but it's good community service, since they themselves banned the person.  

      And like Matt Motil is going to prison, but was never kicked off of BP, so his profile is still active. So that's another scenario. 

       It's not easy to remove posted content that way. When an individual is banned here and his/her account closed, their contact information will be masked with "account closed", including in replies, but someone would have to go through their profile to cull every piece of content from the forums. When you post here, your content doesn't become "yours" anymore in the sense of belonging to your profile; it instead becomes a link through your profile for future reference. And inasmuch as the forums also act as a historical record, even if anyone here (staff and/or moderators) was inclined to do so, it would create odd and incoherent gaps in the conversations within threads especially for more prolific posters. In the almost 10 years I've been a mod here we (BP) have had to ban a few posters that had a pretty heavy post count. 

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  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    11mo

    Add Shawn Watkins and Angel Bronsgeet to your collection. Shawn was mentioned on BP here. He and his partner, Angel Bronsgeet, were involved in several real estate clubs in the LA/Orange County area in the late 2000s and early 2010s. These were well-run, well-attended clubs that we went to regularly. Shawn was a skilled and compelling interviewer.

    Both Shawn and Angel presented themselves as experienced real estate experts. Leveraging the perceived credibility that comes with running real estate clubs, they solicited many local investors into their Utah deals—including us and many of our real estate friends. We never took the bait, but we know several who did. This ultimately turned out to be a Ponzi scheme.

    Angel later testified against Shawn.

    After years of investigation, in 2019 Watkins and Bronsgeet were sentenced to 51 and 33 months in federal prison, respectively, and ordered to repay millions of dollars. I know some of the people who testified against them, though I don’t know if anyone has seen a dime of restitution.

    This was an important lesson for us. Seminal would not be an exaggeration. We no longer invest—or lend, in our case—in anything we haven’t physically walked through or with anyone we haven’t taken the time to get to know. We learned that it’s an illusion to assume anyone standing at the front of a real estate club is necessarily an expert or even honest. I’m sure this lesson has saved us a lot of money.

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    11mo

    Guessing the “greatest go-giver ever” sub2 dude will be on the list soon. Although he doesn’t post here anymore because he knows he’ll get called out on his B.S. I think he’s speaking at BP con though, and BP published his book. Lots of sketchy things about him circulating the back channels. 

    • Dan H.Pro Member
      Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Steve K.:

      Guessing the “greatest go-giver ever” sub2 dude will be on the list soon. Although he doesn’t post here anymore because he knows he’ll get called out on his B.S. I think he’s speaking at BP con though, and BP published his book. Lots of sketchy things about him circulating the back channels. 

      I heard him at BPCon.  I was prejudiced against him going in and came out a little less biased against him.   He is very much a people person.   His cronies are very loyal and virtually all claim to have been successful using his training.   He claims to be the largest RE network but I am unsure how he define a RE network.   

      he advocates over paying for better terms.   This only works if 1) you hold it long enough 2) rates do not go down such that the savings from preferred terms decreases.

      still if a seller is adamant on the selling price, the only place to negotiate is the terms.

      i am not near the people person that Pace is, so I doubt I could ever approach his ability to get these sellers to agree to terms that would work.   I suspect he is getting properties under contract that most of us could not.

      i will be a bit surprised if he gets charged with anything.  He sells training and seems to have a high satisfaction rate (understating their satisfaction).   

      however, uncapitalized buyers buying on preferential terms equates to high risk for those students.


  • Stuart UdisPro Member
    Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    11mo

    If you looked closely at most of these cases, the bad actors had highly organized capital raising systems. I am sure BP provided a platform but not sure how big of a role BP ultimately played in their ability to raise capital from investors. The bad actors who were successful in raising considerable funds likely had capital raising teams and were active in what I call the guru roadshow. I suspect you will see far more cases in the next few years as social media has made it far easier than ever before to reach the types of investors who are susceptible.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Stuart Udis:

      If you looked closely at most of these cases, the bad actors had highly organized capital raising systems. I am sure BP provided a platform but not sure how big of a role BP ultimately played in their ability to raise capital from investors. The bad actors who were successful in raising considerable funds likely had capital raising teams and were active in what I call the guru roadshow. I suspect you will see far more cases in the next few years as social media has made it far easier than ever before to reach the types of investors who are susceptible.


      next wave will be the apartment syndicators that are leaking oil.. now many to most wont be criminal they will just fail and the investors will be wiped out.. Investors being investors wont care they will still think the sponsors are crooks somehow 
    • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Stuart Udis:

      If you looked closely at most of these cases, the bad actors had highly organized capital raising systems. I am sure BP provided a platform but not sure how big of a role BP ultimately played in their ability to raise capital from investors. The bad actors who were successful in raising considerable funds likely had capital raising teams and were active in what I call the guru roadshow. I suspect you will see far more cases in the next few years as social media has made it far easier than ever before to reach the types of investors who are susceptible.


      next wave will be the apartment syndicators that are leaking oil.. now many to most wont be criminal they will just fail and the investors will be wiped out.. Investors being investors wont care they will still think the sponsors are crooks somehow 

       Agree not every bad performance is a ponzi scheme or crooked, actually very few of them are - even the ones where the sponsors take heavy fees upfront - it was in the PPM and while it may not seem ethical or right, its not illegal. They disclosed it, they managed it and it did not go well and investor took on the risk. I could go off on another topic of why I think accredited investor status should be significantly revised to adjust to todays incomes which many would not be accredited, but that is a topic for another day.

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  • Stuart UdisPro Member
    Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    11mo

    Many of the multi-family syndicators whose deals are struggling use the same capital raising tactics but yes, you are right. There's also zero accountability from many LP's who invest in real estate transactions, regardless of how half-baked the investment thesis was from the beginning. The same capital raising systems that were used to raise the initial capital is now being used to raise fresh capital to keep many of these deals alive even though the end result will still likely yield the same poor result because additional capital doesn't correct basis or poor underwriting assumptions.

  • Wholesaler, Rehabber and Landlord · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    11mo

    I know that's right @Jay Hinrichs. I have a buddy who I mentored. He got big and was doing a bunch of syndications. Just last year, he lost a couple of properties. He and his team did nothing wrong. Interest rates went up and caused issues. They paid out all cash coming in to the lender, who was not willing to do a short sale. Lender just took the property back.

    A bunch of my friends lost 50k, 100k. They knew the risk of being an equity owner. Other deals that have better financing are ok. For most, 50k was not their entire new worth. They are fine, financially. They, of course, are not happy with the situation, but know why it happened. They dont think it's fraud. It's the people who have 100% of their life savings gone with 1 foreclosure that want to scream scam, ponzi or whatever. 

  • Rental Property Investor · MD · Member since 2015 · 19 posts · 8 votes
    11mo

    Maybe its captured above but over past year, maybe 2, a fairly large mortgage fraud went down in Baltimore and maybe northern NJ. I don't really know all the facts but appartently some hundreds of houses had appraisals faked and largely exaggerated and passed on to banks and mortgage lenders who ended up holding worthless or underwater loans. I do know that in searching for mortgage loans this past year many major DSCR lenders said we don't lend in Baltimore anymore or they raised their minimum loan amount over $200,000 meaning the purchase price would be about $250,000 or higher.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jim R.:

      Maybe its captured above but over past year, maybe 2, a fairly large mortgage fraud went down in Baltimore and maybe northern NJ. I don't really know all the facts but appartently some hundreds of houses had appraisals faked and largely exaggerated and passed on to banks and mortgage lenders who ended up holding worthless or underwater loans. I do know that in searching for mortgage loans this past year many major DSCR lenders said we don't lend in Baltimore anymore or they raised their minimum loan amount over $200,000 meaning the purchase price would be about $250,000 or higher.


      Ezural Gold is the person who is being investigated for this along with those he paid off.
  • Developer · Cleveland / Akron, OH · Member since 2008 · 922 posts · 399 votes
    11mo

    @JD Martin

    I noticed that Bob Stevens/Prisco still has an active profile on here, under Bob S. All of his posts still show up as well. If BP decided he was violating TOS, then it would be best if he got the "account closed" treatment, to stop people from seeing old posts and contacting him.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/bobs330#0

  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    11mo

    Would love to see more DD from investors. Spend the money up front for some very easy research! read your legal docs!

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    11mo

    "Prestige ATM Fund" "WF Velocity Funds"

    Daryl Heller, Prestige Investment Group, Paramount Management Group

    $770 million ponzi scheme (one of the largest in history)

  • Stuart UdisPro Member
    Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    11mo

    Not naming a specific syndicator but how about the entire model of educated syndicators who then provide services for the educator, whether it be capital raising, asset management etc. in return for Co-GP status. The Co-GP percentage is negligible, but this is followed by a website representing they "control", "oversee" or "manage" xyz apartments while listing the educator's bio on their website as "strategic partner" or "advisor". These websites are designed for viewers to believe they own hundreds and sometimes even thousands of apartment units to boost credibility. I haven't come across one yet that clearly explains the role these syndicators played in the transactions listed on their websites. I don't see how this wouldn't be viewed as an intentional act of deception. There's a ton of these educated syndicators on BP & their websites make it very easy to identify them if you know what you're looking for.

    • Ronald RohdePro Member
      Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Stuart Udis:

      Not naming a specific syndicator but how about the entire model of educated syndicators who then provide services for the educator, whether it be capital raising, asset management etc. in return for Co-GP status. The Co-GP percentage is negligible, but this is followed by a website representing they "control", "oversee" or "manage" xyz apartments while listing the educator's bio on their website as "strategic partner" or "advisor". These websites are designed for viewers to believe they own hundreds and sometimes even thousands of apartment units to boost credibility. I haven't come across one yet that clearly explains the role these syndicators played in the transactions listed on their websites. I don't see how this wouldn't be viewed as an intentional act of deception. There's a ton of these educated syndicators on BP & their websites make it very easy to identify them if you know what you're looking for.


       I think we're not going to solve this by creating more laws or money towards enforcement. It has to be education of the investors. There has been and always will be scammers on the edge of deception.

      If you have $50k or $100k, why are you not a better steward of those funds? Education on the asset class, sponsor liability, etc.

      No one to blame but themselves.

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Ronald Rohde:
      Quote from @Stuart Udis:

      Not naming a specific syndicator but how about the entire model of educated syndicators who then provide services for the educator, whether it be capital raising, asset management etc. in return for Co-GP status. The Co-GP percentage is negligible, but this is followed by a website representing they "control", "oversee" or "manage" xyz apartments while listing the educator's bio on their website as "strategic partner" or "advisor". These websites are designed for viewers to believe they own hundreds and sometimes even thousands of apartment units to boost credibility. I haven't come across one yet that clearly explains the role these syndicators played in the transactions listed on their websites. I don't see how this wouldn't be viewed as an intentional act of deception. There's a ton of these educated syndicators on BP & their websites make it very easy to identify them if you know what you're looking for.


       I think we're not going to solve this by creating more laws or money towards enforcement. It has to be education of the investors. There has been and always will be scammers on the edge of deception.

      If you have $50k or $100k, why are you not a better steward of those funds? Education on the asset class, sponsor liability, etc.

      No one to blame but themselves.

       I agree. Best thing is for threads and content like this very thread to be out there for public consumption. From there, it's on the investor to read it, or not. Nobody to blame but themselves for making the decisions that they made when all of the data is out there.

    • Ronald RohdePro Member
      Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Ronald Rohde:
      Quote from @Stuart Udis:

      Not naming a specific syndicator but how about the entire model of educated syndicators who then provide services for the educator, whether it be capital raising, asset management etc. in return for Co-GP status. The Co-GP percentage is negligible, but this is followed by a website representing they "control", "oversee" or "manage" xyz apartments while listing the educator's bio on their website as "strategic partner" or "advisor". These websites are designed for viewers to believe they own hundreds and sometimes even thousands of apartment units to boost credibility. I haven't come across one yet that clearly explains the role these syndicators played in the transactions listed on their websites. I don't see how this wouldn't be viewed as an intentional act of deception. There's a ton of these educated syndicators on BP & their websites make it very easy to identify them if you know what you're looking for.


       I think we're not going to solve this by creating more laws or money towards enforcement. It has to be education of the investors. There has been and always will be scammers on the edge of deception.

      If you have $50k or $100k, why are you not a better steward of those funds? Education on the asset class, sponsor liability, etc.

      No one to blame but themselves.

       I agree. Best thing is for threads and content like this very thread to be out there for public consumption. From there, it's on the investor to read it, or not. Nobody to blame but themselves for making the decisions that they made when all of the data is out there.


       Its a tough love stance sometimes, but BP enables both the good and the bad!

    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Ronald Rohde:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Ronald Rohde:
      Quote from @Stuart Udis:

      Not naming a specific syndicator but how about the entire model of educated syndicators who then provide services for the educator, whether it be capital raising, asset management etc. in return for Co-GP status. The Co-GP percentage is negligible, but this is followed by a website representing they "control", "oversee" or "manage" xyz apartments while listing the educator's bio on their website as "strategic partner" or "advisor". These websites are designed for viewers to believe they own hundreds and sometimes even thousands of apartment units to boost credibility. I haven't come across one yet that clearly explains the role these syndicators played in the transactions listed on their websites. I don't see how this wouldn't be viewed as an intentional act of deception. There's a ton of these educated syndicators on BP & their websites make it very easy to identify them if you know what you're looking for.


       I think we're not going to solve this by creating more laws or money towards enforcement. It has to be education of the investors. There has been and always will be scammers on the edge of deception.

      If you have $50k or $100k, why are you not a better steward of those funds? Education on the asset class, sponsor liability, etc.

      No one to blame but themselves.

       I agree. Best thing is for threads and content like this very thread to be out there for public consumption. From there, it's on the investor to read it, or not. Nobody to blame but themselves for making the decisions that they made when all of the data is out there.


       Its a tough love stance sometimes, but BP enables both the good and the bad!




      After you've been in the real estate game for awhile, the most obvious thing in the world is that it's a dirty business filled with nothing but sharks. And the ones that are out there presenting themselves as the "nice guy" and "your friend" and "i'm not in it for the money, i'm in it to help people" are always the most cutthroat sharks of them all.
    • DFW Metro · Member since 2024 · 26 posts · 19 votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Ronald Rohde:
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Ronald Rohde:
      Quote from @Stuart Udis:

      Not naming a specific syndicator but how about the entire model of educated syndicators who then provide services for the educator, whether it be capital raising, asset management etc. in return for Co-GP status. The Co-GP percentage is negligible, but this is followed by a website representing they "control", "oversee" or "manage" xyz apartments while listing the educator's bio on their website as "strategic partner" or "advisor". These websites are designed for viewers to believe they own hundreds and sometimes even thousands of apartment units to boost credibility. I haven't come across one yet that clearly explains the role these syndicators played in the transactions listed on their websites. I don't see how this wouldn't be viewed as an intentional act of deception. There's a ton of these educated syndicators on BP & their websites make it very easy to identify them if you know what you're looking for.


       I think we're not going to solve this by creating more laws or money towards enforcement. It has to be education of the investors. There has been and always will be scammers on the edge of deception.

      If you have $50k or $100k, why are you not a better steward of those funds? Education on the asset class, sponsor liability, etc.

      No one to blame but themselves.

       I agree. Best thing is for threads and content like this very thread to be out there for public consumption. From there, it's on the investor to read it, or not. Nobody to blame but themselves for making the decisions that they made when all of the data is out there.


       Its a tough love stance sometimes, but BP enables both the good and the bad!




      After you've been in the real estate game for awhile, the most obvious thing in the world is that it's a dirty business filled with nothing but sharks. And the ones that are out there presenting themselves as the "nice guy" and "your friend" and "i'm not in it for the money, i'm in it to help people" are always the most cutthroat sharks of them all.

       One of the many things I've learned on this site is that anyone who says "I'm not trying to sell you anything" is always trying to sell you something.

  • MD/DC · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11mo

    Are any of the RE education seminars, courses etc. actually worth anything? Like seriously how hard is it to do some research, get a Realtor, start slow in hometown area, buy a property improve it rent, sell whatev?  I cringe when I read that newbies have taken xyz course and think they are ready to roll. Hopefully some are worthwhile. 

    • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
      11mo

      @Jules Aton  - if you are a football fan here's my analogy. Taking these courses is like paying somebody to teach you how to play football. They will give you the basics like hey there's 11 men on offense and 11 men on defense and they will tell you that when it is third down in one, you should run the ball and when it is third and 17, you should throw the ball. But there is no depth to any of this training. It typically is always focused on finding a deal which boils down to Marketing because that is the easiest thing to teach. They do not get into specifics such as if the defense is playing two deep safety or a single deep safety or a zone versus man coverage. Here's what you should do in each specific situation. The reason they do not teach this is because it takes a lot of time to learn and there are so many different situations that you're gonna encounter.

      So they sell you on the hype over a very short period of time and charge you a boatload of money. The reality is you get very little knowledge or experience having someone teach you versus actually getting on the field and playing in the game. 

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    • Dan H.Pro Member
      Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jules Aton:

      Are any of the RE education seminars, courses etc. actually worth anything? Like seriously how hard is it to do some research, get a Realtor, start slow in hometown area, buy a property improve it rent, sell whatev?  I cringe when I read that newbies have taken xyz course and think they are ready to roll. Hopefully some are worthwhile. 


      I have taken 3 of the BP boot camps (STR (Avery's), MF (DeRisa group), CRE (Tyler Cauble (sp?)) and would say that I found each to be worth their price. Sure you could learn it on your own, but you do not know what you do not know. Or you can pay a reasonable fee to be taught much of what is required giving you a big head start.

      I have met the Averys (multiple times), Matt Faircloth (DeRosa group: multiple times - I recently butt dialed him by accident and he called me back immediately), and Tyler (just once at a previous BPCon) in person.

      If you can pay a reasonable price to learn from someone that has been successful in the area that they are educating potential saving from making mistakes on your way, why would you not chose to obtain the education.  Again this is assuming it is appropriately priced (which the BP boot camps were appropriately priced)

      Education has great value.   To obtain it at a fair price is a smart decision; a decision that can potentially save you from some big and costly mistakes.

      Best wishes

    • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
      Moderator
      Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
      11mo

      @Dan H. it absolutely does have value in paying a few hundred to 1000 $ for a conference or for some boot camps as well with the price. I was more referring to these $25,000 programs that are nothing more than teaching you how to market

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  • Robert EllisBusiness Member
    Developer · Miami, FL · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11mo
    Quote from @James Wise:

    BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

    The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

    Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

    ___

    Marco Santarelli

    Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

    Norada Capital Management suspending payments

    ___

    Clayton Morris

    Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

    Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

    ___

    Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

    This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

    We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

    ___

    Matt Motil

    Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

    WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

    ___

    Wendell de Guzman

    Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

    Be careful who you invest with

    ___

    Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

    Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

    Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


     go check me out guys I'm top 1% and still building and developing in ohio

  • Robert EllisBusiness Member
    Developer · Miami, FL · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11mo
    Quote from @James Wise:

    BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

    The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

    Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

    ___

    Marco Santarelli

    Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

    Norada Capital Management suspending payments

    ___

    Clayton Morris

    Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

    Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

    ___

    Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

    This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

    We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

    ___

    Matt Motil

    Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

    WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

    ___

    Wendell de Guzman

    Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

    Be careful who you invest with

    ___

    Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

    Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

    Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


     look at this little mayor himself quite the flurry of lawsuits for the blue Smurf 

    1. “Predatory landlord” / “Redlining 2.0” framing

    Source: Cleveland Scene, “Justin Bibb Issues ‘Eviction Notice’ to ‘Predatory’ Property Manager Holton-Wise,” July 8 2021

    Source: Same article — Holton-Wise response via YouTube

    • Who said it: James Wise (on HoltonWiseTV).
    • Quote: Called Bibb a “socialist *******” and defended the maps as investor analysis tools.
    • Context: Direct video rebuttal to Bibb’s remarks.

    2. “Flood of Covert LLCs” and market manipulation

    Source: Cleveland Scene, “Holton-Wise, a Flood of Covert LLCs and Out-of-State Investors Have Radically Changed the Local Housing Market,” Jan 26 2022

    Source: Case Western Reserve University News (Feb 9 2022)

    3. “Unlivable conditions” / tenant complaints

    Source: Cleveland Scene, “Residents, City Councilmembers Decry Uninhabitable Conditions of Shaker Square Apartments,” Feb 21 2023

    4. Federal case — Trademark dispute

    Source: U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Case No. 1:21-cv-01014

    • Who said it: Plaintiff Black Tie Title LLC vs. Defendants Holton Wise Community Redevelopment Fund LLC, John C. Holton, and James P. Wise.
    • Document: Verified Complaint (15 U.S.C. § 1125) alleging false designation of origin / trademark infringement.
    • Public record: dockets.justia.com/docket/ohio/ohndce/1%3A2021cv01014/277608
    • Outcome (as of public view): TRO motion withdrawn by agreement May 17 2021; no final judgment listed publicly.
    • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Robert Ellis:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       look at this little mayor himself quite the flurry of lawsuits for the blue Smurf 

      1. “Predatory landlord” / “Redlining 2.0” framing

      Source: Cleveland Scene, “Justin Bibb Issues ‘Eviction Notice’ to ‘Predatory’ Property Manager Holton-Wise,” July 8 2021

      Source: Same article — Holton-Wise response via YouTube

      • Who said it: James Wise (on HoltonWiseTV).
      • Quote: Called Bibb a “socialist *******” and defended the maps as investor analysis tools.
      • Context: Direct video rebuttal to Bibb’s remarks.

      2. “Flood of Covert LLCs” and market manipulation

      Source: Cleveland Scene, “Holton-Wise, a Flood of Covert LLCs and Out-of-State Investors Have Radically Changed the Local Housing Market,” Jan 26 2022

      Source: Case Western Reserve University News (Feb 9 2022)

      3. “Unlivable conditions” / tenant complaints

      Source: Cleveland Scene, “Residents, City Councilmembers Decry Uninhabitable Conditions of Shaker Square Apartments,” Feb 21 2023

      4. Federal case — Trademark dispute

      Source: U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Case No. 1:21-cv-01014

      • Who said it: Plaintiff Black Tie Title LLC vs. Defendants Holton Wise Community Redevelopment Fund LLC, John C. Holton, and James P. Wise.
      • Document: Verified Complaint (15 U.S.C. § 1125) alleging false designation of origin / trademark infringement.
      • Public record: dockets.justia.com/docket/ohio/ohndce/1%3A2021cv01014/277608
      • Outcome (as of public view): TRO motion withdrawn by agreement May 17 2021; no final judgment listed publicly.

       Bobby / Kyle Stroker.....Wassup man. Where you been? Haven't seen you on BP in awhile. How's things going on the Brazzers Bang Bus?

    • Robert EllisBusiness Member
      Developer · Miami, FL · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @Robert Ellis:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       look at this little mayor himself quite the flurry of lawsuits for the blue Smurf 

      1. “Predatory landlord” / “Redlining 2.0” framing

      Source: Cleveland Scene, “Justin Bibb Issues ‘Eviction Notice’ to ‘Predatory’ Property Manager Holton-Wise,” July 8 2021

      Source: Same article — Holton-Wise response via YouTube

      • Who said it: James Wise (on HoltonWiseTV).
      • Quote: Called Bibb a “socialist *******” and defended the maps as investor analysis tools.
      • Context: Direct video rebuttal to Bibb’s remarks.

      2. “Flood of Covert LLCs” and market manipulation

      Source: Cleveland Scene, “Holton-Wise, a Flood of Covert LLCs and Out-of-State Investors Have Radically Changed the Local Housing Market,” Jan 26 2022

      Source: Case Western Reserve University News (Feb 9 2022)

      3. “Unlivable conditions” / tenant complaints

      Source: Cleveland Scene, “Residents, City Councilmembers Decry Uninhabitable Conditions of Shaker Square Apartments,” Feb 21 2023

      4. Federal case — Trademark dispute

      Source: U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Case No. 1:21-cv-01014

      • Who said it: Plaintiff Black Tie Title LLC vs. Defendants Holton Wise Community Redevelopment Fund LLC, John C. Holton, and James P. Wise.
      • Document: Verified Complaint (15 U.S.C. § 1125) alleging false designation of origin / trademark infringement.
      • Public record: dockets.justia.com/docket/ohio/ohndce/1%3A2021cv01014/277608
      • Outcome (as of public view): TRO motion withdrawn by agreement May 17 2021; no final judgment listed publicly.

       Bobby / Kyle Stroker.....Wassup man. Where you been? Haven't seen you on BP in awhile. How's things going on the Brazzers Bang Bus?


      bro, I lost everything after buying your course and I've been living in the homeless shelter. I'm at the library on the computer right now thank god for public transit. how are you bro? 

  • Lender · Lake Geneva WI, USA · Member since 2023 · 141 posts · 72 votes
    11mo

    hehe spicy BP drama, I love it. Nothing worse than a lying thief, especially one that tarnishes the image of the industry by taking advantage of people. Everyone suffers. But if you lost money from a thief, well, roads connect to all owned real estate, commercial.. residential.. primary ..

    • MD/DC · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @Jacob Thorpe:

      hehe spicy BP drama, I love it. Nothing worse than a lying thief, especially one that tarnishes the image of the industry by taking advantage of people. Everyone suffers. But if you lost money from a thief, well, roads connect to all owned real estate, commercial.. residential.. primary ..

      lol correct a broker friend once told me industries that are highly regulated are like that for a reason
  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    11mo
    Quote from @James Wise:

    BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

    The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

    Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

    ___

    Marco Santarelli

    Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

    Norada Capital Management suspending payments

    ___

    Clayton Morris

    Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

    Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

    ___

    Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

    This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

    We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

    ___

    Matt Motil

    Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

    WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

    ___

    Wendell de Guzman

    Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

    Be careful who you invest with

    ___

    Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

    Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

    Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


     We've got a new one to add to the list, Barry Minkow. I think Barry Minkow might be the most prolific criminal we've ever had join BiggerPockets.

    Barry just recently signed up for BIggerPockets to engage in discussion about one of his articles in the thread below

    Did Brandon Turner really lose $14M of investor money while pocketing $4.4M???

    As for Barry's criminal history, it spans multiple decades and multiple stints in prison. Below is an excerpt from his Wikipedia page. 

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    Conviction and prison
    Minkow and ten other ZZZZ Best insiders were indicted by a federal grand jury in January 1988 on fifty-four counts of racketeering, securities fraud, money laundering, embezzlement, mail fraud, tax evasion and bank fraud. The indictment accused Minkow of milking banks and investors of millions of dollars while systematically draining his company of assets. It also accused Minkow of setting up dummy companies, writing phony invoices and conducting tours of purported restoration sites. Prosecutors estimated that as much as ninety percent of the company's revenue was fraudulent.[6] On June 16, prosecutors won a superseding indictment charging Minkow with credit card fraud and two additional counts of mail fraud.[22]

    While Minkow admitted to manipulating the company's stock, he claimed that he was forced to turn the company into a Ponzi scheme under pressure from the organized-crime figures who secretly controlled his company,[23] a story he later admitted was false.[4] On December 14, he was found guilty on all charges.[18] On March 27, 1989, he was sentenced to twenty-five years in prison. He was also placed on five years' probation and ordered to pay $26 million in restitution. In sentencing him, U.S. District Court Judge Dickran Tevrizian described Minkow as a man without a conscience, rejecting his plea for a lighter sentence as "a joke" and "a slap on the wrist" for someone who had manipulated the financial system. The SEC subsequently banned him from ever serving as an officer or director of a public company again. He served under seven and a half years, most of them at Federal Correctional Institution, Englewood.

    While imprisoned, Minkow claimed to have become a born-again Christian.[24] During his prison stay, he became involved in Christian ministry, completing coursework through Liberty University's School of Lifelong Learning.[4]

    Release
    After his early release from prison in 1995, Minkow went to work as a pastor at the Church at Rocky Peak in Chatsworth, California, and became director of the church's Bible Institute.[17] That same year he wrote a first-hand account of the ZZZZ Best scam, Clean Sweep. Minkow's book claims all of his share of the book's proceeds would go toward repaying his victims.[4] His other substantial debt is a $7 million loan from Union Bank.[25]

    In 1997, Minkow became pastor of Community Bible Church in San Diego. Soon after his arrival, a church member asked him to look into a money management firm in nearby Orange County. Suspecting something was amiss, Minkow alerted federal authorities, who discovered the firm was a $300 million pyramid scheme. This was the beginning of the Fraud Discovery Institute (FDI), Minkow's for-profit investigative firm. His original targets were penny stock companies, which are often havens for fraud. However, he soon attracted the attention of media outlets including The Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg News, Fox News, and CBS's 60 Minutes. Several Wall Street investors sent money to Minkow in order to persuade him to pursue bigger targets.[26] Minkow claimed to have uncovered $1 billion worth of fraud through the FDI.[27]

    Shorting stock
    Minkow's motives were brought into question by multiple news stories, which concluded that Minkow was shorting stock before he released a report on a public company. According to The San Diego Union-Tribune, Minkow had engaged in this practice as early as 2006. His critics denounced this practice as unethical, if not illegal. At least one critic accused him of engaging in short and distort, a form of securities fraud which is a reversal of a pump and dump scheme.[28]

    For instance, Minkow accused Herbalife of a "laundry list" of issues and had "correctly revealed that Herbalife's president had inflated his résumé."[29][17] Herbalife paid Minkow $300,000,[29] after which he issued a press release withdrawing all accusations and contentions against the company,[30] and removed all the accusations from his website. Additionally, Minkow made $50,000 from shorting Herbalife stock.[31] He continued to profit from his short sales position due to sharp decreases in the reported company's stock price immediately after releasing a new report.[17]

    On 20 February 2007, Minkow distributed a 500-page report to officials at the SEC, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), accusing USANA of operating an illegal pyramid scheme.[32][33] On the day Minkow's report was released, USANA's shares had traded at $61.19 but by August the share price had tumbled to less than $35.[32][34] Minkow later acknowledged that he was shorting USANA's shares, hoping to profit from a drop in the stock price.[35]

    USANA filed lawsuits against Minkow, accusing him of stock manipulation and defamation. However, USANA dropped the defamation suit and a judge later threw out four of the five claims brought against Minkow, ruling that the claims violated California's anti-SLAPP law for suing Minkow for fair criticism.[36] The judge also cited two examples where USANA failed to refute Minkow's claims that their products were overpriced and of no better quality than other lower-priced brands.[37] The remaining charge of stock manipulation was settled in July 2008 when USANA and Minkow reached an undisclosed settlement, which included the removal of all USANA-related materials from the FDI website, a related Chinese website, and from YouTube. Minkow also agreed to never trade in USANA's stock again.[38] Separately from the settlement, USANA paid $142,510 in attorney fees to Minkow and the FDI under an order from federal Magistrate Samuel Alba. Court documents show that USANA never pursued others whom they suspected of being part of the alleged stock manipulation nor did they ask for an injunction, their only avenue of release in this case.[37]

    Minkow almost always held a position in securities on which he reported.[39] However, he has since stated that while his lawyers advised him this practice was legal, it was probably unethical.[28] Several companies have since sued Minkow for making false accusations against them, with most of the suits being settled out of court.[26]

    Lennar
    In 2009, Minkow issued a report accusing major homebuilder Lennar of massive fraud, claiming that irregularities in the company's off-balance-sheet debt accounting were evidence of a massive Ponzi scheme. Minkow accused Lennar of not disclosing enough information about this to its shareholders, and also claimed a Lennar executive had taken out a fraudulent personal loan.[40] In an accompanying YouTube video, he denounced Lennar as "a financial crime in progress" and "a corporate bully". Lennar's stock plummeted in the wake of Minkow's reports, tumbling from $11.57 a share to $6.55 in two weeks.[28] Minkow issued the report after being contacted by Nicholas Marsch, a San Diego developer who had filed two lawsuits against Lennar for fraud. Indeed, the language of the FDI report echoed that used in Marsch's filings. One of Marsch's suits was summarily thrown out; the other ended with Marsch having to pay Lennar $12 million in counterclaims.[17]

    Lennar responded by adding Minkow as a defendant in a lawsuit against Marsch. Minkow was initially unconcerned, since he had prevailed before in similar cases on free speech grounds.[28] According to court records, Minkow had shorted Lennar stock, buying $20,000 worth of options in a bet that the stock would fall.[40] Even more seriously, he also bought Lennar stock after his FDI report, believing the stock would rebound after its dramatic plunge.[41] Minkow initially denied doing this, only to be forced to recant when confronted with trading records. Minkow forged documents alleging misconduct on Lennar's part and lied about having to go to the emergency room on the night before he was first scheduled to testify. He also went forward with the report even after a private investigator he had hired for the case could not substantiate Marsch's claims. In an unrelated development, it was also revealed that Minkow operated the FDI out of the offices of his church and even used church money to fund the organization—something which could have jeopardized his church's tax-exempt status.[17]

    On December 27, 2010, Florida Circuit Court Judge Gill Freeman issued a default judgment against Minkow in response to a motion by Lennar. Freeman found that Minkow had repeatedly lied under oath, destroyed or withheld evidence, concealed witnesses, deliberately tried to "cover up his misconduct", and had even lied to his own lawyers about his behavior. Freeman determined that Minkow had perpetrated "a fraud on the court" that was so egregious that letting the case go any further would be a disservice to justice. In her view, "no remedy short of default" was appropriate for Minkow's lies. She ordered Minkow to reimburse Lennar for the legal expenses it incurred while ferreting out his lies. According to legal experts, terminating sanctions such as default judgments are extremely rare, since they are reserved for particularly egregious misconduct and have the effect of revoking a litigant's right to defend himself. Earlier, Freeman had been so angered by Minkow's behavior that she called him a liar in open court, a rarity for a judge. Lennar estimated that its attorneys and investigators spent hundreds of millions of dollars exposing Minkow's lies.[42][43]

    Insider trading guilty plea
    On March 16, 2011, Minkow announced through his attorney that he was pleading guilty to one count of insider trading. According to his lawyer, Minkow had bought his Lennar options using "nonpublic information". The plea, which was separate from the civil suit, came a month after Minkow learned he was the subject of a criminal investigation. On the same day, Minkow resigned as senior pastor of Community Bible Church, saying in a letter to his congregants that since he was no longer "above reproach", he felt that he was "no longer qualified to be a pastor." Six weeks earlier, $50,000 in cash and checks had been stolen from the church during a burglary. Though unsolved, it was noted as suspicious due to Minkow's admitted history of staging burglaries to collect insurance money.[40][44][45][46]

    The nature of the "nonpublic information" became clear a week later, when federal prosecutors in Miami filed a criminal information charging Minkow with one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud. Prosecutors charged that Minkow and Marsch (listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the complaint) conspired to extort money from Lennar by driving down its stock. The complaint also revealed that Minkow had sent his allegations to the SEC, the FBI, and the IRS, and that the three agencies found his claims credible enough to open a formal criminal investigation into Lennar's practices. Minkow then used confidential knowledge of that investigation to short Lennar stock, even though he knew he was barred from doing so.[47][48][49] Minkow opted to plead guilty to the conspiracy charge rather than face charges of securities fraud and market manipulation, which could have sent him to prison for life.[50]

    On March 30, 2011, Minkow pleaded guilty before Judge Patricia A. Seitz. His attorney, Alvin Entin, admitted that his client had acted recklessly, but had been "deluded and taken advantage of" by Marsch. He faced a maximum of five years in prison, as much as $350,000 in fines and penalties and $500 million in restitution. However, he agreed to cooperate with the government in its probe of Marsch.[51][52][53]

    The Los Angeles Times obtained a copy of the plea agreement, in which Minkow admitted to issuing his FDI report on Lennar at Marsch's behest. According to the agreement, Marsch offered to have Minkow retract his report if Lennar paid him in cash and stock. It also said that Minkow's report triggered a bear raid which temporarily reduced the market capitalization of Lennar by $583 million. Minkow faced a minimum of thirty years in prison had the case gone to trial.[54] On June 16, Freeman ordered Minkow to pay Lennar $584 million in damages—roughly the amount the company lost as a result of the bear raid orchestrated by Minkow and Marsch. Her ruling stated that Minkow and Marsch had entered into a conspiracy to wreck Lennar's stock in November 2008.[53] With interest, the bill could easily approach a billion dollars—far more than Minkow stole in the ZZZZ Best scam.[55]

    On July 6, it emerged that officials with Community Bible Church had accused Minkow of running the FDI with church funds, applying for credit cards in the names of church members and leading his flock into bad investments. Church officials had made the claims as part of a confidential pre-sentencing report. When Entin got word of the letter, he asked for and was granted two weeks to review the allegations and respond to them. This pushed Minkow's sentencing back to July 21.[56][57] This was the second time Minkow's sentencing had been postponed; it was originally slated for June 16 but was postponed to July 6.

    In a pre-sentencing evaluation performed on May 10, 2011, Minkow was diagnosed by a Michael Brannon as having a personality disorder with antisocial and narcissistic features, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, anxiety disorder, opioid dependence, anabolic steroid abuse, and migraine headaches.[58]

    On July 21, Seitz sentenced Minkow to five years in prison. In imposing the sentence, she stated that Minkow had "no moral compass that says 'Stop.'" Seitz also ordered him to pay Lennar $583.5 million in restitution—an amount that had been imposed a month earlier in the civil case.[27][56][59] She also recommended that Minkow serve his sentence at Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery in Montgomery, Alabama. However, on September 20, he was ordered to begin his sentence at Federal Medical Center, Lexington in Lexington, Kentucky.[60]

    Church fraud guilty plea
    On June 14, 2011; KGTV in San Diego interviewed several members of Minkow's former church, who said Minkow swindled them. One woman said Minkow asked her for $300,000, purportedly to help finance a movie about his redemption story.[61]

    On January 22, 2014, Minkow pleaded guilty to one count each of conspiracy to commit bank fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud and to defraud the federal government. He admitted to embezzling over $3 million in donations to Community Bible Church from 2001 to 2011. He opened unauthorized bank accounts purportedly on the church's behalf, forged signatures on church checks, diverted money from legitimate church accounts for his personal use, and charged unauthorized personal expenses on church credit cards. He also concealed $890,000 of income and $250,000 in taxes from the IRS.[62][63] Among his victims were a widower who gave $75,000 to fund a supposed hospital in Sudan to honor his wife after she died of cancer, and a woman who gave Minkow $300,000 that would have otherwise gone to help raise her teenage granddaughter.[64]

    On April 28, 2014, Judge Michael Anello sentenced Minkow to five years in prison, the maximum possible sentence under his plea bargain. It is to be served after Minkow completes his sentence for securities fraud. While Minkow's attorneys asked for a sentence of forty-one months, Anello felt obligated to impose the maximum for what he called a "despicable, inexcusable crime."[65] On June 2, Minkow reached an agreement with federal prosecutors that called for him to pay $3.4 million in restitution.[66] This will potentially be a ruinous amount for Minkow, on top of the restitution he still owes Lennar, Union Bank and the ZZZZ Best victims. Earlier, he said that the $26 million restitution for the ZZZZ Best scam alone was large enough that he would be writing restitution checks to the victims for the rest of his life.[17] As a result of his latest sentence, Minkow was released on June 6, 2019.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       We've got a new one to add to the list, Barry Minkow. I think Barry Minkow might be the most prolific criminal we've ever had join BiggerPockets.

      Barry just recently signed up for BIggerPockets to engage in discussion about one of his articles in the thread below

      Did Brandon Turner really lose $14M of investor money while pocketing $4.4M???

      As for Barry's criminal history, it spans multiple decades and multiple stints in prison. Below is an excerpt from his Wikipedia page. 

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      ___

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      Conviction and prison
      Minkow and ten other ZZZZ Best insiders were indicted by a federal grand jury in January 1988 on fifty-four counts of racketeering, securities fraud, money laundering, embezzlement, mail fraud, tax evasion and bank fraud. The indictment accused Minkow of milking banks and investors of millions of dollars while systematically draining his company of assets. It also accused Minkow of setting up dummy companies, writing phony invoices and conducting tours of purported restoration sites. Prosecutors estimated that as much as ninety percent of the company's revenue was fraudulent.[6] On June 16, prosecutors won a superseding indictment charging Minkow with credit card fraud and two additional counts of mail fraud.[22]

      While Minkow admitted to manipulating the company's stock, he claimed that he was forced to turn the company into a Ponzi scheme under pressure from the organized-crime figures who secretly controlled his company,[23] a story he later admitted was false.[4] On December 14, he was found guilty on all charges.[18] On March 27, 1989, he was sentenced to twenty-five years in prison. He was also placed on five years' probation and ordered to pay $26 million in restitution. In sentencing him, U.S. District Court Judge Dickran Tevrizian described Minkow as a man without a conscience, rejecting his plea for a lighter sentence as "a joke" and "a slap on the wrist" for someone who had manipulated the financial system. The SEC subsequently banned him from ever serving as an officer or director of a public company again. He served under seven and a half years, most of them at Federal Correctional Institution, Englewood.

      While imprisoned, Minkow claimed to have become a born-again Christian.[24] During his prison stay, he became involved in Christian ministry, completing coursework through Liberty University's School of Lifelong Learning.[4]

      Release
      After his early release from prison in 1995, Minkow went to work as a pastor at the Church at Rocky Peak in Chatsworth, California, and became director of the church's Bible Institute.[17] That same year he wrote a first-hand account of the ZZZZ Best scam, Clean Sweep. Minkow's book claims all of his share of the book's proceeds would go toward repaying his victims.[4] His other substantial debt is a $7 million loan from Union Bank.[25]

      In 1997, Minkow became pastor of Community Bible Church in San Diego. Soon after his arrival, a church member asked him to look into a money management firm in nearby Orange County. Suspecting something was amiss, Minkow alerted federal authorities, who discovered the firm was a $300 million pyramid scheme. This was the beginning of the Fraud Discovery Institute (FDI), Minkow's for-profit investigative firm. His original targets were penny stock companies, which are often havens for fraud. However, he soon attracted the attention of media outlets including The Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg News, Fox News, and CBS's 60 Minutes. Several Wall Street investors sent money to Minkow in order to persuade him to pursue bigger targets.[26] Minkow claimed to have uncovered $1 billion worth of fraud through the FDI.[27]

      Shorting stock
      Minkow's motives were brought into question by multiple news stories, which concluded that Minkow was shorting stock before he released a report on a public company. According to The San Diego Union-Tribune, Minkow had engaged in this practice as early as 2006. His critics denounced this practice as unethical, if not illegal. At least one critic accused him of engaging in short and distort, a form of securities fraud which is a reversal of a pump and dump scheme.[28]

      For instance, Minkow accused Herbalife of a "laundry list" of issues and had "correctly revealed that Herbalife's president had inflated his résumé."[29][17] Herbalife paid Minkow $300,000,[29] after which he issued a press release withdrawing all accusations and contentions against the company,[30] and removed all the accusations from his website. Additionally, Minkow made $50,000 from shorting Herbalife stock.[31] He continued to profit from his short sales position due to sharp decreases in the reported company's stock price immediately after releasing a new report.[17]

      On 20 February 2007, Minkow distributed a 500-page report to officials at the SEC, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), accusing USANA of operating an illegal pyramid scheme.[32][33] On the day Minkow's report was released, USANA's shares had traded at $61.19 but by August the share price had tumbled to less than $35.[32][34] Minkow later acknowledged that he was shorting USANA's shares, hoping to profit from a drop in the stock price.[35]

      USANA filed lawsuits against Minkow, accusing him of stock manipulation and defamation. However, USANA dropped the defamation suit and a judge later threw out four of the five claims brought against Minkow, ruling that the claims violated California's anti-SLAPP law for suing Minkow for fair criticism.[36] The judge also cited two examples where USANA failed to refute Minkow's claims that their products were overpriced and of no better quality than other lower-priced brands.[37] The remaining charge of stock manipulation was settled in July 2008 when USANA and Minkow reached an undisclosed settlement, which included the removal of all USANA-related materials from the FDI website, a related Chinese website, and from YouTube. Minkow also agreed to never trade in USANA's stock again.[38] Separately from the settlement, USANA paid $142,510 in attorney fees to Minkow and the FDI under an order from federal Magistrate Samuel Alba. Court documents show that USANA never pursued others whom they suspected of being part of the alleged stock manipulation nor did they ask for an injunction, their only avenue of release in this case.[37]

      Minkow almost always held a position in securities on which he reported.[39] However, he has since stated that while his lawyers advised him this practice was legal, it was probably unethical.[28] Several companies have since sued Minkow for making false accusations against them, with most of the suits being settled out of court.[26]

      Lennar
      In 2009, Minkow issued a report accusing major homebuilder Lennar of massive fraud, claiming that irregularities in the company's off-balance-sheet debt accounting were evidence of a massive Ponzi scheme. Minkow accused Lennar of not disclosing enough information about this to its shareholders, and also claimed a Lennar executive had taken out a fraudulent personal loan.[40] In an accompanying YouTube video, he denounced Lennar as "a financial crime in progress" and "a corporate bully". Lennar's stock plummeted in the wake of Minkow's reports, tumbling from $11.57 a share to $6.55 in two weeks.[28] Minkow issued the report after being contacted by Nicholas Marsch, a San Diego developer who had filed two lawsuits against Lennar for fraud. Indeed, the language of the FDI report echoed that used in Marsch's filings. One of Marsch's suits was summarily thrown out; the other ended with Marsch having to pay Lennar $12 million in counterclaims.[17]

      Lennar responded by adding Minkow as a defendant in a lawsuit against Marsch. Minkow was initially unconcerned, since he had prevailed before in similar cases on free speech grounds.[28] According to court records, Minkow had shorted Lennar stock, buying $20,000 worth of options in a bet that the stock would fall.[40] Even more seriously, he also bought Lennar stock after his FDI report, believing the stock would rebound after its dramatic plunge.[41] Minkow initially denied doing this, only to be forced to recant when confronted with trading records. Minkow forged documents alleging misconduct on Lennar's part and lied about having to go to the emergency room on the night before he was first scheduled to testify. He also went forward with the report even after a private investigator he had hired for the case could not substantiate Marsch's claims. In an unrelated development, it was also revealed that Minkow operated the FDI out of the offices of his church and even used church money to fund the organization—something which could have jeopardized his church's tax-exempt status.[17]

      On December 27, 2010, Florida Circuit Court Judge Gill Freeman issued a default judgment against Minkow in response to a motion by Lennar. Freeman found that Minkow had repeatedly lied under oath, destroyed or withheld evidence, concealed witnesses, deliberately tried to "cover up his misconduct", and had even lied to his own lawyers about his behavior. Freeman determined that Minkow had perpetrated "a fraud on the court" that was so egregious that letting the case go any further would be a disservice to justice. In her view, "no remedy short of default" was appropriate for Minkow's lies. She ordered Minkow to reimburse Lennar for the legal expenses it incurred while ferreting out his lies. According to legal experts, terminating sanctions such as default judgments are extremely rare, since they are reserved for particularly egregious misconduct and have the effect of revoking a litigant's right to defend himself. Earlier, Freeman had been so angered by Minkow's behavior that she called him a liar in open court, a rarity for a judge. Lennar estimated that its attorneys and investigators spent hundreds of millions of dollars exposing Minkow's lies.[42][43]

      Insider trading guilty plea
      On March 16, 2011, Minkow announced through his attorney that he was pleading guilty to one count of insider trading. According to his lawyer, Minkow had bought his Lennar options using "nonpublic information". The plea, which was separate from the civil suit, came a month after Minkow learned he was the subject of a criminal investigation. On the same day, Minkow resigned as senior pastor of Community Bible Church, saying in a letter to his congregants that since he was no longer "above reproach", he felt that he was "no longer qualified to be a pastor." Six weeks earlier, $50,000 in cash and checks had been stolen from the church during a burglary. Though unsolved, it was noted as suspicious due to Minkow's admitted history of staging burglaries to collect insurance money.[40][44][45][46]

      The nature of the "nonpublic information" became clear a week later, when federal prosecutors in Miami filed a criminal information charging Minkow with one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud. Prosecutors charged that Minkow and Marsch (listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the complaint) conspired to extort money from Lennar by driving down its stock. The complaint also revealed that Minkow had sent his allegations to the SEC, the FBI, and the IRS, and that the three agencies found his claims credible enough to open a formal criminal investigation into Lennar's practices. Minkow then used confidential knowledge of that investigation to short Lennar stock, even though he knew he was barred from doing so.[47][48][49] Minkow opted to plead guilty to the conspiracy charge rather than face charges of securities fraud and market manipulation, which could have sent him to prison for life.[50]

      On March 30, 2011, Minkow pleaded guilty before Judge Patricia A. Seitz. His attorney, Alvin Entin, admitted that his client had acted recklessly, but had been "deluded and taken advantage of" by Marsch. He faced a maximum of five years in prison, as much as $350,000 in fines and penalties and $500 million in restitution. However, he agreed to cooperate with the government in its probe of Marsch.[51][52][53]

      The Los Angeles Times obtained a copy of the plea agreement, in which Minkow admitted to issuing his FDI report on Lennar at Marsch's behest. According to the agreement, Marsch offered to have Minkow retract his report if Lennar paid him in cash and stock. It also said that Minkow's report triggered a bear raid which temporarily reduced the market capitalization of Lennar by $583 million. Minkow faced a minimum of thirty years in prison had the case gone to trial.[54] On June 16, Freeman ordered Minkow to pay Lennar $584 million in damages—roughly the amount the company lost as a result of the bear raid orchestrated by Minkow and Marsch. Her ruling stated that Minkow and Marsch had entered into a conspiracy to wreck Lennar's stock in November 2008.[53] With interest, the bill could easily approach a billion dollars—far more than Minkow stole in the ZZZZ Best scam.[55]

      On July 6, it emerged that officials with Community Bible Church had accused Minkow of running the FDI with church funds, applying for credit cards in the names of church members and leading his flock into bad investments. Church officials had made the claims as part of a confidential pre-sentencing report. When Entin got word of the letter, he asked for and was granted two weeks to review the allegations and respond to them. This pushed Minkow's sentencing back to July 21.[56][57] This was the second time Minkow's sentencing had been postponed; it was originally slated for June 16 but was postponed to July 6.

      In a pre-sentencing evaluation performed on May 10, 2011, Minkow was diagnosed by a Michael Brannon as having a personality disorder with antisocial and narcissistic features, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, anxiety disorder, opioid dependence, anabolic steroid abuse, and migraine headaches.[58]

      On July 21, Seitz sentenced Minkow to five years in prison. In imposing the sentence, she stated that Minkow had "no moral compass that says 'Stop.'" Seitz also ordered him to pay Lennar $583.5 million in restitution—an amount that had been imposed a month earlier in the civil case.[27][56][59] She also recommended that Minkow serve his sentence at Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery in Montgomery, Alabama. However, on September 20, he was ordered to begin his sentence at Federal Medical Center, Lexington in Lexington, Kentucky.[60]

      Church fraud guilty plea
      On June 14, 2011; KGTV in San Diego interviewed several members of Minkow's former church, who said Minkow swindled them. One woman said Minkow asked her for $300,000, purportedly to help finance a movie about his redemption story.[61]

      On January 22, 2014, Minkow pleaded guilty to one count each of conspiracy to commit bank fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud and to defraud the federal government. He admitted to embezzling over $3 million in donations to Community Bible Church from 2001 to 2011. He opened unauthorized bank accounts purportedly on the church's behalf, forged signatures on church checks, diverted money from legitimate church accounts for his personal use, and charged unauthorized personal expenses on church credit cards. He also concealed $890,000 of income and $250,000 in taxes from the IRS.[62][63] Among his victims were a widower who gave $75,000 to fund a supposed hospital in Sudan to honor his wife after she died of cancer, and a woman who gave Minkow $300,000 that would have otherwise gone to help raise her teenage granddaughter.[64]

      On April 28, 2014, Judge Michael Anello sentenced Minkow to five years in prison, the maximum possible sentence under his plea bargain. It is to be served after Minkow completes his sentence for securities fraud. While Minkow's attorneys asked for a sentence of forty-one months, Anello felt obligated to impose the maximum for what he called a "despicable, inexcusable crime."[65] On June 2, Minkow reached an agreement with federal prosecutors that called for him to pay $3.4 million in restitution.[66] This will potentially be a ruinous amount for Minkow, on top of the restitution he still owes Lennar, Union Bank and the ZZZZ Best victims. Earlier, he said that the $26 million restitution for the ZZZZ Best scam alone was large enough that he would be writing restitution checks to the victims for the rest of his life.[17] As a result of his latest sentence, Minkow was released on June 6, 2019.


      Jim right now he (Minkow)  is going after low hanging fruit that is anyone / company that did MF syndication and got caught in the hype of a few years ago and the massive change to the industry with rates rising cost rising and vacancies rising.. not many in MF syndication that were doing highly leveraged deals to compete with other offerings have gone  unscathed or have projects that simply are not or will not perform based on original assumptions or pro fromas  So pretty easy to take pot shots at all these entities/companies etc.. With Brandon Turner being one of the more prominent players based on his BP rep and massive SM exposure etc.
    • Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      11mo
      Quote from @James Wise:
      Quote from @James Wise:

      BiggerPockets is the biggest real estate Networking site out there. As such, everyone who's anyone who is involved in Real Estate is here to discuss Real Estate and do some business. 

      The unfortunate, but obvious, negative side effect of this is that unscrupulous individuals are unavoidably going to find there way here.

      Below is a list of some of the ones I can remember being active on the site. Feel free to add more as you remember them, or as new ones pop up or become exposed.

      ___

      Marco Santarelli

      Longtime poster here on the site. Accused of running a $62 Million Dollar Ponzi Scheme.

      Norada Capital Management suspending payments

      ___

      Clayton Morris

      Former Podcast Guest. Accused of running a massive Ponzi Scheme with Bert Whalen in Indianapolis. Lost a $7.8 Million Dollar Lawsuit to HoltonWiseTV.

      Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall

      ___

      Robert Ellis / Kyle Stroker

      This guy Robert Ellis positioned himself as a property developer in Columbus, Ohio over the last couple of years. Oddly enough, we aren't sure if that's his real identity. As he's also known online as Kyle Stroker, an amateur porn actor.

      We're Raising $3M — What's the BEST Way to Do It Without a Steakhouse Dinner?

      ___

      Matt Motil

      Longtime poster here on the site. Sentenced to almost 6 years in jail for running a Ponzi Scheme in Cleveland, Ohio that target many out of state investors.

      WARNING: Matt Motil of Cleveland, OH

      ___

      Wendell de Guzman

      Longtime poster here on the site. Former podcast guest. Accused of stealing money from many out of state investors for a scam he was running in the Chicago market.

      Be careful who you invest with

      ___

      Bob Prisco / Bob Stevens

      Longtime spammer here on the site. Found out to be using a fake identity here on Bigger Pockets. Famous for letting out of state investors know that they don't need to learn or educate themselves on the Cleveland market. All they need is a "team" which he conveniently provides.

      Who is Bob Stevens AKA Bob Prisco and what's his involvement in Cleveland?


       We've got a new one to add to the list, Barry Minkow. I think Barry Minkow might be the most prolific criminal we've ever had join BiggerPockets.

      Barry just recently signed up for BIggerPockets to engage in discussion about one of his articles in the thread below

      Did Brandon Turner really lose $14M of investor money while pocketing $4.4M???

      As for Barry's criminal history, it spans multiple decades and multiple stints in prison. Below is an excerpt from his Wikipedia page. 

      ___

      ___

      ___

      Conviction and prison
      Minkow and ten other ZZZZ Best insiders were indicted by a federal grand jury in January 1988 on fifty-four counts of racketeering, securities fraud, money laundering, embezzlement, mail fraud, tax evasion and bank fraud. The indictment accused Minkow of milking banks and investors of millions of dollars while systematically draining his company of assets. It also accused Minkow of setting up dummy companies, writing phony invoices and conducting tours of purported restoration sites. Prosecutors estimated that as much as ninety percent of the company's revenue was fraudulent.[6] On June 16, prosecutors won a superseding indictment charging Minkow with credit card fraud and two additional counts of mail fraud.[22]

      While Minkow admitted to manipulating the company's stock, he claimed that he was forced to turn the company into a Ponzi scheme under pressure from the organized-crime figures who secretly controlled his company,[23] a story he later admitted was false.[4] On December 14, he was found guilty on all charges.[18] On March 27, 1989, he was sentenced to twenty-five years in prison. He was also placed on five years' probation and ordered to pay $26 million in restitution. In sentencing him, U.S. District Court Judge Dickran Tevrizian described Minkow as a man without a conscience, rejecting his plea for a lighter sentence as "a joke" and "a slap on the wrist" for someone who had manipulated the financial system. The SEC subsequently banned him from ever serving as an officer or director of a public company again. He served under seven and a half years, most of them at Federal Correctional Institution, Englewood.

      While imprisoned, Minkow claimed to have become a born-again Christian.[24] During his prison stay, he became involved in Christian ministry, completing coursework through Liberty University's School of Lifelong Learning.[4]

      Release
      After his early release from prison in 1995, Minkow went to work as a pastor at the Church at Rocky Peak in Chatsworth, California, and became director of the church's Bible Institute.[17] That same year he wrote a first-hand account of the ZZZZ Best scam, Clean Sweep. Minkow's book claims all of his share of the book's proceeds would go toward repaying his victims.[4] His other substantial debt is a $7 million loan from Union Bank.[25]

      In 1997, Minkow became pastor of Community Bible Church in San Diego. Soon after his arrival, a church member asked him to look into a money management firm in nearby Orange County. Suspecting something was amiss, Minkow alerted federal authorities, who discovered the firm was a $300 million pyramid scheme. This was the beginning of the Fraud Discovery Institute (FDI), Minkow's for-profit investigative firm. His original targets were penny stock companies, which are often havens for fraud. However, he soon attracted the attention of media outlets including The Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg News, Fox News, and CBS's 60 Minutes. Several Wall Street investors sent money to Minkow in order to persuade him to pursue bigger targets.[26] Minkow claimed to have uncovered $1 billion worth of fraud through the FDI.[27]

      Shorting stock
      Minkow's motives were brought into question by multiple news stories, which concluded that Minkow was shorting stock before he released a report on a public company. According to The San Diego Union-Tribune, Minkow had engaged in this practice as early as 2006. His critics denounced this practice as unethical, if not illegal. At least one critic accused him of engaging in short and distort, a form of securities fraud which is a reversal of a pump and dump scheme.[28]

      For instance, Minkow accused Herbalife of a "laundry list" of issues and had "correctly revealed that Herbalife's president had inflated his résumé."[29][17] Herbalife paid Minkow $300,000,[29] after which he issued a press release withdrawing all accusations and contentions against the company,[30] and removed all the accusations from his website. Additionally, Minkow made $50,000 from shorting Herbalife stock.[31] He continued to profit from his short sales position due to sharp decreases in the reported company's stock price immediately after releasing a new report.[17]

      On 20 February 2007, Minkow distributed a 500-page report to officials at the SEC, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), accusing USANA of operating an illegal pyramid scheme.[32][33] On the day Minkow's report was released, USANA's shares had traded at $61.19 but by August the share price had tumbled to less than $35.[32][34] Minkow later acknowledged that he was shorting USANA's shares, hoping to profit from a drop in the stock price.[35]

      USANA filed lawsuits against Minkow, accusing him of stock manipulation and defamation. However, USANA dropped the defamation suit and a judge later threw out four of the five claims brought against Minkow, ruling that the claims violated California's anti-SLAPP law for suing Minkow for fair criticism.[36] The judge also cited two examples where USANA failed to refute Minkow's claims that their products were overpriced and of no better quality than other lower-priced brands.[37] The remaining charge of stock manipulation was settled in July 2008 when USANA and Minkow reached an undisclosed settlement, which included the removal of all USANA-related materials from the FDI website, a related Chinese website, and from YouTube. Minkow also agreed to never trade in USANA's stock again.[38] Separately from the settlement, USANA paid $142,510 in attorney fees to Minkow and the FDI under an order from federal Magistrate Samuel Alba. Court documents show that USANA never pursued others whom they suspected of being part of the alleged stock manipulation nor did they ask for an injunction, their only avenue of release in this case.[37]

      Minkow almost always held a position in securities on which he reported.[39] However, he has since stated that while his lawyers advised him this practice was legal, it was probably unethical.[28] Several companies have since sued Minkow for making false accusations against them, with most of the suits being settled out of court.[26]

      Lennar
      In 2009, Minkow issued a report accusing major homebuilder Lennar of massive fraud, claiming that irregularities in the company's off-balance-sheet debt accounting were evidence of a massive Ponzi scheme. Minkow accused Lennar of not disclosing enough information about this to its shareholders, and also claimed a Lennar executive had taken out a fraudulent personal loan.[40] In an accompanying YouTube video, he denounced Lennar as "a financial crime in progress" and "a corporate bully". Lennar's stock plummeted in the wake of Minkow's reports, tumbling from $11.57 a share to $6.55 in two weeks.[28] Minkow issued the report after being contacted by Nicholas Marsch, a San Diego developer who had filed two lawsuits against Lennar for fraud. Indeed, the language of the FDI report echoed that used in Marsch's filings. One of Marsch's suits was summarily thrown out; the other ended with Marsch having to pay Lennar $12 million in counterclaims.[17]

      Lennar responded by adding Minkow as a defendant in a lawsuit against Marsch. Minkow was initially unconcerned, since he had prevailed before in similar cases on free speech grounds.[28] According to court records, Minkow had shorted Lennar stock, buying $20,000 worth of options in a bet that the stock would fall.[40] Even more seriously, he also bought Lennar stock after his FDI report, believing the stock would rebound after its dramatic plunge.[41] Minkow initially denied doing this, only to be forced to recant when confronted with trading records. Minkow forged documents alleging misconduct on Lennar's part and lied about having to go to the emergency room on the night before he was first scheduled to testify. He also went forward with the report even after a private investigator he had hired for the case could not substantiate Marsch's claims. In an unrelated development, it was also revealed that Minkow operated the FDI out of the offices of his church and even used church money to fund the organization—something which could have jeopardized his church's tax-exempt status.[17]

      On December 27, 2010, Florida Circuit Court Judge Gill Freeman issued a default judgment against Minkow in response to a motion by Lennar. Freeman found that Minkow had repeatedly lied under oath, destroyed or withheld evidence, concealed witnesses, deliberately tried to "cover up his misconduct", and had even lied to his own lawyers about his behavior. Freeman determined that Minkow had perpetrated "a fraud on the court" that was so egregious that letting the case go any further would be a disservice to justice. In her view, "no remedy short of default" was appropriate for Minkow's lies. She ordered Minkow to reimburse Lennar for the legal expenses it incurred while ferreting out his lies. According to legal experts, terminating sanctions such as default judgments are extremely rare, since they are reserved for particularly egregious misconduct and have the effect of revoking a litigant's right to defend himself. Earlier, Freeman had been so angered by Minkow's behavior that she called him a liar in open court, a rarity for a judge. Lennar estimated that its attorneys and investigators spent hundreds of millions of dollars exposing Minkow's lies.[42][43]

      Insider trading guilty plea
      On March 16, 2011, Minkow announced through his attorney that he was pleading guilty to one count of insider trading. According to his lawyer, Minkow had bought his Lennar options using "nonpublic information". The plea, which was separate from the civil suit, came a month after Minkow learned he was the subject of a criminal investigation. On the same day, Minkow resigned as senior pastor of Community Bible Church, saying in a letter to his congregants that since he was no longer "above reproach", he felt that he was "no longer qualified to be a pastor." Six weeks earlier, $50,000 in cash and checks had been stolen from the church during a burglary. Though unsolved, it was noted as suspicious due to Minkow's admitted history of staging burglaries to collect insurance money.[40][44][45][46]

      The nature of the "nonpublic information" became clear a week later, when federal prosecutors in Miami filed a criminal information charging Minkow with one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud. Prosecutors charged that Minkow and Marsch (listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the complaint) conspired to extort money from Lennar by driving down its stock. The complaint also revealed that Minkow had sent his allegations to the SEC, the FBI, and the IRS, and that the three agencies found his claims credible enough to open a formal criminal investigation into Lennar's practices. Minkow then used confidential knowledge of that investigation to short Lennar stock, even though he knew he was barred from doing so.[47][48][49] Minkow opted to plead guilty to the conspiracy charge rather than face charges of securities fraud and market manipulation, which could have sent him to prison for life.[50]

      On March 30, 2011, Minkow pleaded guilty before Judge Patricia A. Seitz. His attorney, Alvin Entin, admitted that his client had acted recklessly, but had been "deluded and taken advantage of" by Marsch. He faced a maximum of five years in prison, as much as $350,000 in fines and penalties and $500 million in restitution. However, he agreed to cooperate with the government in its probe of Marsch.[51][52][53]

      The Los Angeles Times obtained a copy of the plea agreement, in which Minkow admitted to issuing his FDI report on Lennar at Marsch's behest. According to the agreement, Marsch offered to have Minkow retract his report if Lennar paid him in cash and stock. It also said that Minkow's report triggered a bear raid which temporarily reduced the market capitalization of Lennar by $583 million. Minkow faced a minimum of thirty years in prison had the case gone to trial.[54] On June 16, Freeman ordered Minkow to pay Lennar $584 million in damages—roughly the amount the company lost as a result of the bear raid orchestrated by Minkow and Marsch. Her ruling stated that Minkow and Marsch had entered into a conspiracy to wreck Lennar's stock in November 2008.[53] With interest, the bill could easily approach a billion dollars—far more than Minkow stole in the ZZZZ Best scam.[55]

      On July 6, it emerged that officials with Community Bible Church had accused Minkow of running the FDI with church funds, applying for credit cards in the names of church members and leading his flock into bad investments. Church officials had made the claims as part of a confidential pre-sentencing report. When Entin got word of the letter, he asked for and was granted two weeks to review the allegations and respond to them. This pushed Minkow's sentencing back to July 21.[56][57] This was the second time Minkow's sentencing had been postponed; it was originally slated for June 16 but was postponed to July 6.

      In a pre-sentencing evaluation performed on May 10, 2011, Minkow was diagnosed by a Michael Brannon as having a personality disorder with antisocial and narcissistic features, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, anxiety disorder, opioid dependence, anabolic steroid abuse, and migraine headaches.[58]

      On July 21, Seitz sentenced Minkow to five years in prison. In imposing the sentence, she stated that Minkow had "no moral compass that says 'Stop.'" Seitz also ordered him to pay Lennar $583.5 million in restitution—an amount that had been imposed a month earlier in the civil case.[27][56][59] She also recommended that Minkow serve his sentence at Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery in Montgomery, Alabama. However, on September 20, he was ordered to begin his sentence at Federal Medical Center, Lexington in Lexington, Kentucky.[60]

      Church fraud guilty plea
      On June 14, 2011; KGTV in San Diego interviewed several members of Minkow's former church, who said Minkow swindled them. One woman said Minkow asked her for $300,000, purportedly to help finance a movie about his redemption story.[61]

      On January 22, 2014, Minkow pleaded guilty to one count each of conspiracy to commit bank fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud and to defraud the federal government. He admitted to embezzling over $3 million in donations to Community Bible Church from 2001 to 2011. He opened unauthorized bank accounts purportedly on the church's behalf, forged signatures on church checks, diverted money from legitimate church accounts for his personal use, and charged unauthorized personal expenses on church credit cards. He also concealed $890,000 of income and $250,000 in taxes from the IRS.[62][63] Among his victims were a widower who gave $75,000 to fund a supposed hospital in Sudan to honor his wife after she died of cancer, and a woman who gave Minkow $300,000 that would have otherwise gone to help raise her teenage granddaughter.[64]

      On April 28, 2014, Judge Michael Anello sentenced Minkow to five years in prison, the maximum possible sentence under his plea bargain. It is to be served after Minkow completes his sentence for securities fraud. While Minkow's attorneys asked for a sentence of forty-one months, Anello felt obligated to impose the maximum for what he called a "despicable, inexcusable crime."[65] On June 2, Minkow reached an agreement with federal prosecutors that called for him to pay $3.4 million in restitution.[66] This will potentially be a ruinous amount for Minkow, on top of the restitution he still owes Lennar, Union Bank and the ZZZZ Best victims. Earlier, he said that the $26 million restitution for the ZZZZ Best scam alone was large enough that he would be writing restitution checks to the victims for the rest of his life.[17] As a result of his latest sentence, Minkow was released on June 6, 2019.


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