Specialist · Birmingham, AL · Member since 2026 · 3 posts · 1 vote
I've been having conversations with a few repeat private real estate lenders in the Southeast about how they track payment performance on their deals. A few have described situations where a borrower disputed whether a payment was made, when it was made, or what it was applied toward — and the lender's only record was a spreadsheet or bank statement, which the borrower's attorney then challenged.
For those of you doing repeat private lending (not institutional, not a fund — your own capital), a few honest questions:
1. Have you ever had a payment dispute go sideways because your records weren't bilaterally acknowledged?
2. What do you use today to track payment performance? Spreadsheet, QuickBooks, servicing software, something else?
3. If a borrower confirmed each payment received (via text, portal, signed acknowledgment) at the time it was logged, would that meaningfully change the records you'd have in a dispute?
Trying to understand how real lenders solve this today and whether the problem is actually as common as the few conversations I've had suggest. Appreciate any perspective.
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For context: I'm the founder of Kyrograf, a software platform for private credit agreements. Based in Birmingham, AL. Not pitching anything — trying to understand the real shape of the problem before building a product that claims to solve it.
Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
5mo
The simple solution for this is to use a loan servicer. We have every one of our loans serviced with the loan servicer who is licensed and tracks all these payments. It settles any and all disputes on whether a payment was sent or not sent. This is not a problem that needs to be solved In my opinion.
Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
5mo
The simple solution for this is to use a loan servicer. We have every one of our loans serviced with the loan servicer who is licensed and tracks all these payments. It settles any and all disputes on whether a payment was sent or not sent. This is not a problem that needs to be solved In my opinion.
Specialist · Birmingham, AL · Member since 2026 · 3 posts · 1 vote
5mo
Appreciate this — you're right that a licensed servicer handles payment tracking and disputes cleanly, and I'm not trying to replace that layer or your closing docs.
What I'm exploring is a different segment: smaller operators doing 5–20 deals a year, mostly self-servicing, who don't have FCI or Madison in the loop. For them, the agreement terms, payment history, and modifications live across a signed PDF, a spreadsheet, and an email chain — and it becomes a real problem when a borrower wants to refi with a new lender or when the note itself needs to move.
Curious on your end though — when you take on a new borrower for the first time, how do you verify their track record with other private lenders? That's the gap I keep hearing about, but it may be a non-issue at your scale.
Mortgage Broker · CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 642 votes
4mo
Curious on your end though — when you take on a new borrower for the first time, how do you verify their track record with other private lenders? That's the gap I keep hearing about, but it may be a non-issue at your scale.
You verify a borrower's track record by getting documentation of the payment history, whether that's bank statements or copies of cancelled checks for the past 12 months or more. If the loan is not reporting on credit, you would still want to see that they've made consistent payments on time.
Lender · Florida · Member since 2025 · 661 posts · 239 votes
5mo
Hi @Mathew Birmingham, welcome to BP! From a lender’s perspective, this is mostly a solved problem at scale—but still very real for smaller operators.
For anyone doing consistent volume, the cleanest answer is:
Use a licensed loan servicer
They track payments, apply them correctly, issue statements, and act as a neutral third party if there’s ever a dispute. That alone eliminates 90%+ of these issues.
Where it does become a problem:
Smaller lenders self-servicing
Payments tracked across spreadsheets, bank statements, and emails
No formal, borrower-acknowledged ledger
In those cases, disputes usually aren’t about whether a payment happened—they’re about:
Timing
Application (principal vs interest)
Late fees / partial payments
Would borrower acknowledgment help? Yes—but it’s still secondary to having a centralized, third-party or systemized record.
On your broader question:
Verifying a borrower’s track record with other private lenders is still pretty fragmented. Most of the time it’s:
References
Payoff statements
Informal verification
There’s definitely a gap there—but for payment tracking specifically, most experienced lenders solve it by outsourcing servicing rather than reinventing it.
At scale, lenders don’t manage this with better spreadsheets—they remove the problem entirely with professional servicing and clean documentation.
Lender · Tampa, FL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
4mo
We’re institutional, so we have our own proprietary software, but we do contract underwriting/consulting for smaller private lenders. For a small, private lender with only a handful of loans, I don’t think it matters whether you use a spreadsheet, Quickbooks, or something else, but the supporting documentation is key. Many people say “pay me in cash” so they don’t have to report it, but when the poo hits the fan and you have to go in front of a judge, if you didn’t report it…it didn’t happen. Take checks and deposit them when you can so there is a paper trail. If you have to take cash, have the customer initial or sign the receipt and deposit it no later than the next business day so you can show the trail. It’s not rocket surgery provided you document everything and make sure all money is running through the bank. If you still feel uncomfortable, hire someone that knows what they are doing to help…or better yet a servicer.