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Posted over 8 years ago

Hitting your 10 financed properties limit with fannie Mae

Often times we'll hear about how you can use financing from Fannie Mae up to 10 financed properties.

This is typically true however proper planning can allow a borrower to obtain many more financed properties.

The context we're talking about pertains to 1-4 unit residential properties so 5+ multi-family, commercial, or industrial will not count as the definition for "financed property."

Some strategies to obtain more than 10 financed properties would be to:

- transfer, buy, or own your properties in entities such as LP, LLC's, or partnerships where your ownership is less than 25% since any property with financing only counts against this 10 count if your ownership in these partnership style entities only counts when your ownership is at 25% or greater

- Use a spouse whom you trust who can keep or own 10 financed properties in their name and 10 in your own name

- Own properties in a corporation where by financing upon that property is not tied to your personal name as these will not count towards your financed properties count. 

- Use commercial and or portfolio financing from local banks once you hit 10+ financed properties so you can acquire additional financed properties and allow you to continue to grow your portfolio

- Liability optimization can allow you to shift two loans on two separate properties into one loan to go from two financed properties back to one financed property there by allowing you to acquire more financed properties. The borrower will need sufficient value in a property in order to do this type of cash out refinance consolidation loan. This can be planned when comparing acquisition cost to the after improved value of assets prior to buying them.


Comments (17)

  1. What is your spouse is not working or W2 employee? Can they still individually own the financing/property? 


  2. Im fast approaching the 10 property limit, but Im going to 1031 some properties


    1. The question would be, will the new properties be financed properties or are you going to sell then purchase the new properties with the proceeds of the 1031 ( in cash fully) ? The problem you might have will be that if you already have 10 financed properties you will not be able to get that 11th property unless you sell first (A reverse 1031 exchange). A regular exchange would be purchasing the new property first then selling afterwards.

  3. That is pretty good. Yet, most portfolio lenders also have a 10 property limit. Put your family members on title.


    1. Putting your family members on title won't work if any one of the borrowers has 10 or more financed properties that will derail the transaction from a fannie mae loan.

      Putting family members on title is a strategy used to combine incomes to income qualify (debt to income ratios) not to avoid financed properties limit. 

      If you want to avoid financed properties then keep the title and the loan obligation separate. 10 for wife, 10 for husband, 10 for brother, 10 for sister, etc 


  4. I will be hitting the 10 loan wall soon. From all my research so far, the best rate I've found for 30yr fixed from portfolio lenders is about 6.5-6.75%. Anyone know of lenders that can do better? I'm investing in Chicago, Indy, and KCMO area. Thanks.


  5. yeah commercial and portfolio lenders generally don't look at the financed properties count they look at debt coverage ratio 


  6. I have 10 financed properties currently. Do you think that it is possible to say, put 3 properties under a portfolio loan together, so that I can open up a couple of more slots to finance with FNMA; i.e. will the 3 under the portfolio loan be considered as 1 property financed to Fannie, or still be considered 3 properties financed? 

    I also have heard that the lender does a search on how many deed of trusts are out there (hence they count how many you have with private/hard money lenders, if that information is made public).

    Thanks in advance,

    Jim


    1. If your portfolio loan encumbers 3 properties thats 3 financed properties so ask yourself is the loan going to encumber just one property with a massive amount of equity that can pay off 3 properties? If it is then you started and ended with the same result.

      the term financed properties = any property that has financing attached in any form whether the borrower is obligated on the debt  or if the title is in your name (either or).

      ex - title could be your name - debt in your wife name = still counts as financed property for both of you

      ex - debt in your name but title in your brothers name = still counts as financed property

      ex - your LLC owns it but you own 25% or more in the LLC interest and you have debt in the LLC's name = still counts as financed property 

      many more examples....


    2. Yes it doesnt matter if they are conventional loans or other types of financing. Financing refers to any financed tied to the title or obligation on debt on a residential 1-4 property. It could be private, hard, conventional, cross colleratal loaning tieing your property up, it all counts.

      1. but the "commercial and/or portfolio financing from local banks" would NOT count toward the 10?


  7. Oh by the way Blackrock's lending arm for landlords does portfolio loans. http://www.b2rfinance.com/products/portfolio-pro/

  8. "Use a spouse whom you trust who can keep or own 10 financed properties in their name and 10 in your own name"

    Hahah! If you can't trust your spouse you've got bigger problems than hitting the Fannie limit.


  9. If you're both on loan or title it won't matter because it will count as a "financed," property for each of you thereby taking you from a potential from 20 down to 10. You would need to plan your purchases by making sure the loan obligation and title remain in only one spouses name in order to get 10 each (20 total).


    1. makes sense. thanks!


    2. Albert, if I am trying to do 10 under my spouse and 10 under me, do my wife and I need to file separate tax returns rather than jointly? A lender told me the 10 vs 20 is determined by how many tax returns you file and that if I want 20 I must file separately.


  10. so i can have 10 financed properties in my own name and 10 in my wife's name. what about having both our names on a loan? would that give us 10 more? or is 20 the max we can do?