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Posted over 15 years ago

Getting the BPO to Come In Low...

I have seen numerous questions on how to get the BPO to come in lower than FMV.  There really is no one way, but here are some things that can help.

Always have one of your team meet with the BPO agent.  Strike up a conversation and see if you can befriend them.  The agent's job is to bring in a BPO to the lender, so you have to try and get them on your side.  You should never do anything unethical, but if the agent decides they like you, the price might shift in your favor.

Conversely, if it appears they do not want to talk, then leave them alone.  Just as becoming friends with them can tilt the BPO in your favor, irritating them can do the opposite.

Either way, the property should not be your conversation starter.  Start your conversation with a question.  Find out what interests the BPO agent.  The more you know about the agent, the easier it is to make them feel comfortable with you and see you as a person, not just a potential buyer.

You will point out any problems with the house, but this particular property is not the end game with the BPO agent.  Remember that you very well might see this agent on the next property.  We just had a BPO done on a property by an agent that had done the BPO on a property we bought at the end of December.  He remembered us because of our approach at the first BPO.

You should have done your homework before the BPO, so that when you get there, you have repair estimates, COMP's, a sexual predator's list, crime rate studies, etc that you can provide the agent.  Any little thing that you can provide could be the trigger that gets the agent to lower the BPO. If there has been any crimes on the proeprty recently, then make sure you get the police report and provide that. 

One of our properties has been broken into while the homeowner was there twice.  It is not in a bad neighborhood, but there is one bad family there.  The two brothers were both caught and are sentenced to jail (third strike in Florida), so neither will be able tocause this homeowner any more trouble.  But, just the fact that this happened twice should result in a lower BPO.  When the BPO is done on this property, we will provide the police reports and a letter from the state attorney general, which stated that the homeowner was no longer allowed to stay in the property because the two who broke in lived just two doors down and were out on bail.

Once you have walked the property with the agent and pointed out all of the problems with the property, this is the time to let the realtor know you have run the comp's for him/her.  All of your research should be in a file you can hand over to the agent, so just give them the file.  It would be in your benefit to explain that there are other documents in the file than just the COMPs.

Many will state you only need to provide three comps, but in our situation, we have found that if you can provide more, provide as many as you can at the price range you want the BPO to come in at.  Some areas do not lend themselves to multiple low COMPs, but others do.  Do not provide the higher comps, but if you can find six or more that will help drive the BPO lower, thenprovide them all, especially if the property in question is actually in better shape than the majority on the neighborhood.

Remember when pulling COMPs that they should be within one mile of the property, should be built within +-10 years of the property, should be +- 200 sq ft of the property and have comparable bed/bath.  If the agent looks at your COMPs and finds that they do not meet the criteria, you will most likely have burned a bridge with that agent.

Now, these are some things we have found that work, but they are definitely not all of the ways to get the BPO lower.  I welcome comments on other way to get the BPO to come in lower.


Comments (12)

  1. The great thing about your own blog post on BP MIke is that we can delete whoever we want. I delete comments left as well when they are as bad as Tim's. I wouldn't want any readers of my blog thinking just because they saw a comment from someone that this was ok in any way shape or form.


  2. Man, I posted a message last night where I disagreed with your blog. You delete anybody that is not on the same page as you? There was nothing objectionalbe in jy message, just do not see eye to eye on this. I do BPOs for a living. I disagree whole heartedly with your blog.


  3. Everyone, please understand that the person above (Tim) represents exactly what the mainstream media would like to portray investors as. He is not in any way affiliated with the writer of this article, nor Bigger Pockets in general. I have been deleting his posts now since the writing of this article, but have decided to leave his entry in at this time, in order to emphasize that this is reprehensible, unethical and patently illegal. I would urge any and all BPO agents report this type of behavior to the authorities, as well as the lender who hired the agent for the BPO. Under no circumstances should anybody follow this idiots advice and, if you find someone who has or is doing it, I urge you to refuse to work with them on any current or future deals.


  4. Ted makes a great point about the BPO agents not being paid enough, often evidenced by the maybe five minutes some of them actually spend INSIDE the property during the BPO. But your post is great Clifton, and the longer your can keep an agent at the property, the better the chance of influence. One last idea is to include the laws of your state regarding BPOs inside the package you give to the agent, as many are now strict and informative. The agent may not love the idea of being reminded what their duties are, but it's your last word before the BPO gets done and no matter what they are paid...they took the job...and they're still expected to perform based on their expertise.


  5. Great post.


  6. Well said Jim we are not far off in our opinions. As an investor I am only looking to make sure all the issues are on the table and not overlooked. I am sure they are out there but I have yet to see the BPO agent that can accurately determine repair estimates they are remotely extensive. I've seen two BPO's on the same property come back with a six figure 90% difference. I think any decent BPO agent can recognize if someone is trying to take advantage of them but I have also seen them overlook mold, roof leaks, and numerous other issues that will kill any opportunity for me to purchase the property. There is nothing wrong with being there and pointing them out. I stand corrected on the criminal issue and I typically send that into the lender and not give it to the realtor. Befriend is symantics. You should be cordial and not confrontational when addressing the issues with the property. Personally I haven't met any BPO agents that were rude or gave an outward appearance that I was trying to take advantage of them.


  7. There is a difference between being completely unethical and influencing in your favor. Investors are providing a valuable service moving properties that the bank may otherwise sit on for months, but the deal has to make sense. In my oppinion BPO agents are not paid enough by banks, and it is only human nature that some may not be a thorough as a result of the pay. Providing the lower end of the comps is relative in that everyone involved is looking for a value that will not still leave the property on the market 6-9 months later. The BPO agent is still likely to pull the higher comps, but may miss property specific details along the lines of what Clifton is bringing up.


  8. Larry, I understand that some agents will not use my comps. That is a given. But, in my experience and area, the typical BPO agent receives $40.00 for an interior BPO. They do not spend much time at the property or doing research. Hence, I attempt to help them out by providing them with valid comps of the property. If they choose not to use them, that is their prerogative. In my experience, most will use them if I can show 5 or more comps that meet the requirements they are given.


  9. An honest agent will not rely upon your comps but generate his/her own comps. Larry


  10. Conversation starter for Florida, ask where they are from it's usually never here. Great post Cliff


  11. Yes, Good detailed post.


  12. Great post Clifton! Keep up the good work.