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Meara Trine
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  • Melbourne, FL
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Meara Trine
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Melbourne, FL
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Hello everyone! This is my first time posting, so please excuse my lack of knowledge. I recently discovered BiggerPockets and I am learning quite a bit from the podcast. My husband and I are in our mid 40s and looking to get into real estate investing. We live in Brevard County, Florida. Last year we sold our large home in Merritt Island, and purchased a condo for our daughters near USF in Tampa (no more paying for dorms) and a townhome for ourselves. We paid cash for both properties, we then took out a mortgage on our townhome to purchase a rental property (another townhome). Although two of the properties are technically paid off, all three of them have HOAs and only one of them is bringing in rental income. The rental income does cover the mortgage and the HOA for the rental, but it does not cover any taxes or insurance. Not sure if we should have gone about things differently, but there isn't much we can do about that now. We would like to try house hacking as our next move, but unfortunately there isn't a large inventory of multi-family homes in Brevard County, FL. We are currently looking at a rare Duplex that is listed for $420,000. We could move into it and rent the other side, but the rent definitely wouldn't cover the mortgage. It's also not in the best area. It has good bones, but would need some upgrades (flooring, appliances, cabinets, bathrooms, etc.). I'm just not sure what to do moving forward. I feel like we may have made a mistake getting three properties with HOAs, although we do save on insurance since the HOAs cover the roof and outside structure. Any guidance for a newbie just getting started???

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Jonathan Paz
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Hello Meara,

My wife and I have been investing in Brevard County for about 15 years now.  We moved here from South Florida after college and joining the Air Force and investing locally made a lot of sense.  We were able to fully retire early (under 40 years old) and live off that rental income now.  It’s more income than I can make as an engineer, but it’s definitely not 100% passive when you are exceeding 20+ rentals.  I also help clients, mostly investors, buy homes as an agent.  I do this because it’s something I’m passionate about and I find a lot of fun, but it’s nice having that income stream from the rentals. It took many years of consistently buying deals, house hacking, dealing with lenders, and managing tenants and property managers to get to where we are at.  We have over 40 rental units here now in the Space Coast and have had really good luck with our tenants and property appreciation.  The cash flow has always been tight here, and as you noticed, there aren’t too many duplexes that hit the market that check all the boxes.  We have about 8, and they are in different parts of Brevard, and each area has its pros and cons. You aren’t going to have the best cash flow in the best area.  You will sacrifice one thing over the other.  My advice would be to continue on a slow and steady growth trajectory, using the least amount of cash possible (ie. use leverage) and buy in the better areas.  Appreciation gains have been better than cash flow here.  You too can live off of rentals here.  I helped a friend recently get there, and it takes a lot of sacrificing early on for a very good reward later in life.  We have so much time freedom and it’s wonderful.


 Hi Jonathan, 

Thank you so much for your response! I keep hearing and reading about all this cash flow everyone is getting with their rentals and I was beginning to think I was missing something or that maybe it just wasn't possible to be successful with rental properties in Brevard. Hearing someone say "cash flow is tight in our area" makes me feel so much better. We decided against the duplex because it was old and would probably need more work than it was worth. 

What are your thoughts on townhomes with lower HOAs? As you said, duplexes are rare in our county. We currently own one rental that's a townhome. We have a good tenant in it and basically break even on it, but considering we have a 15 year loan, I thought that wasn't too bad. We are looking for passive income in retirement. We have great, stable daytime jobs that pay us well...so we don't really need cash flow now. I know this goes against a lot of ideas out there.  

I personally own about 20 condos/townhomes that have low HOAs and like them as a means to getting started. They have their pros and cons. We sold our last one that was a similar situation as yours, 15 year loan that basically broke even. I didn't like that it was a small community, so that makes dues more expensive and also reduces the number of qualified and willing HOA board members. It had appreciated a lot and we wanted to cash out of it. In my opinion, townhomes are a really good buy for investments if they have a well managed HOA with low dues. Sometimes it's better when you own your own roof, because it dramatically reduces the HOA cost, however it increases your insurance cost. The pro on this situation is that you don't have the community making decisions on prematurely replacing roofs, but the con is that a bunch of roofs end up looking different which takes away from the aesthetics of the community. The main reason why I like townhomes though is that they finance like a single family home. They do not fall under the same restrictions and financing hurdles as condos, because you actually own the land. This makes selling them in the future easier, however just note that they won't appreciate as much as a house will. We all have to get started somewhere and under a tight budget, and it's really hard to beat the cash flow of an affordable townhome, especially those that are 3 bedrooms and have a garage because they rent for nearly as much as a single family house but at a fraction of the price.

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